Elections First Presidential Debate Discussion: 9/26/16

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The way I see it is both have flaws that you're going to have to live with. With Trump he is going to do a lot of rambling and provide a lot of facepalming moments. He's going to often say the wrong, politically incorrect thing. With Hillary she is likely going to be involved in the highest level of corruption possible while completely selling out the United States. She is most likely going to continue destabilizing countries and regions around the world. She may die or have to resign the position at any moment due to her health issues among many other things.

Faced with those two prospects I think I'm going to choose the blowhard who says the wrong, often inappropriate thing over the most corrupt candidate, and political party, in this nations history. Then when you add in actual policies like taxes and immigration well then this is a no brainer.

When it comes to a secure border and low taxes not to mention maintaining national sovereignty and individual liberty this is the fork in the road. I for one think it would be very short sighted to forever give up on all of that over a debate performance lol.

Not even the inappropriate things -- just wrong...like the opposite of factual or real. He didn't know a tariff from a VAT. He missed softball questions. He couldn't articulate the simplest retorts to clinton's record -- not because he cant speak well, but because he flat out didnt know them. I want lower taxes, increased border measures and less islamic migration -- but how can you vote for someone who cant even bother to prep for a debate? Not even prep like any sane candidate would -- he couldn't even bother to take 30 mins and open a wikipedia page to fact check or get an understanding of basic concepts.

my political allegiance only goes so far -- but hell no i cant support someone who cant even study.

 

[UpaLoompa]

So have any of the hard-line gun folks commented on Trump's support for Clinton's position on the no-fly list?
Personally I would consider his position supporting the extra-judicial suspension of Rights to be something that should get his NRA endorsement revoked.

@oldshadow @Cubo de Sangre

 

[UpaLoompa]

my political allegiance only goes so far -- but hell no i cant support someone who cant even study.

Even if they bigely cut your taxes?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Even if they bigely cut your taxes?

i dont get the bigely reference -- but sigh -- hardest thing ive had to say in a long time: not even for 6 figures

 

[Space]

Low energy guys.

You're letting the low testosterone Hillary shills take over this thread?

Trump already said he's going to go harder on Hillary next time. Meanwhile, she's used up all her ammo. This was the punch to the gut that he needed. No more nice guy,

 

[MiniCraque]

i dont get the bigely reference -- but sigh -- hardest thing ive had to say in a long time: not even for 6 figures

Trump said it a couple of times in the early portion of the debates. Quite the head scratcher.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Trump said it a couple of times in the early portion of the debates. Quite the head scratcher.

seriously? not sure how i missed that.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Not even the inappropriate things -- just wrong...like the opposite of factual or real. He didn't know a tariff from a VAT. He missed softball questions. He couldn't articulate the simplest retorts to clinton's record -- not because he cant speak well, but because he flat out didnt know them. I want lower taxes, increased border measures and less islamic migration -- but how can you vote for someone who cant even bother to prep for a debate? Not even prep like any sane candidate would -- he couldn't even bother to take 30 mins and open a wikipedia page to fact check or get an understanding of basic concepts.

my political allegiance only goes so far -- but hell no i cant support someone who cant even study.

So let me get this straight...you are willing to accept all the bullshit that comes along with Hillary Clinton, the democrats, the establishment, wall street, supreme court, perpetual war, and everything else as well as give up on your two signature issues ALL because Trump didn't appear to prepare very much for a debate? How does that make sense at all?

Perhaps he did prepare and study but got worked up and lost his train of thought at times or simply just had a bad night. Perhaps he was a bit overconfident since he demolished 16 republicans and thought he could do the same to Hillary? Both possible and both forgivable.

I mean cmon man we're talking about practice. Not policy positions, not track record, not judgement...we talkin bout practice, man. I feel like AI over here...

 

[oldshadow]

So have any of the hard-line gun folks commented on Trump's support for Clinton's position on the no-fly list?
Personally I would consider his position supporting the extra-judicial suspension of Rights to be something that should get his NRA endorsement revoked.

@oldshadow @Cubo de Sangre

I don't support it and believe it's unconstitutional because it lacks due process.

 

[Sycho Sid]

seriously? not sure how i missed that.

He said big league taxes.

But he was not very clear, so it sounded like bigley.

 

[HereticBD]

So let me get this straight...you are willing to accept all the bullshit that comes along with Hillary Clinton, the democrats, the establishment, wall street, supreme court, perpetual war, and everything else as well as give up on your two signature issues ALL because Trump didn't appear to prepare very much for a debate? How does that make sense at all?

Given the general "meh" response in a lot of online polls, it might not make sense at all to a lot of people.

Inb4 "Those polls are bullshit!"

I know, I know, the only polls that matter are the ones done with robo-dialers, repeatedly calling the same people over and over.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The first 15 minutes were bad, too. It just requires a (very) little background knowledge to see. He confused a VAT with a tariff, claimed that China was manipulating its currency down when it's actually manipulating it up, and he painted a really distorted picture of the current state of the economy. He also left himself open for a zinger that wasn't taken when he said that his plan would be a "job creator like we haven't seen since Reagan," considering that job creation was better under Bill than it was under Reagan.

I almost forgot about the VT comment. I remember thinking that's tacked onto every thing sold, but nothing else was said about it and I thought I may have misheard what he had said.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Im gonna go serious on you.
Its all childs play. You are childs play. Nobody cares ?! Who are you ? A pussy?
Cause if you knew anything about Exortion 17 or Benghazi, you gonna see that Hillary should be burned in a cross. .. or even stoned to death .. point is , there will be no bs if you fkin American hippies woke up.
Yet you dont , do you?!
Im European , yet i still know more about whats going on in your country then you Americans. ... and im ashamed of you for it ... you still dont see do you ?
Yes, i know .. i can see it.
You cant see the Administration lied cause they wanted to be re_elected do you ?!
Well ... it goes even deeper then that bullshit.

 

[MacDuffle]

God, you're stupid. Did no one ever explain to you that when you quote someone, the time and location of the quote is part of that attribution

You keep repeating that everything gets thrown out right now (conveniently) because you have a problem with Trump saying that position at *this* location instead of at the debate, never mind the fact that he echoes the same exact point in the debate, never mind the fact that what Trump is saying in both locations is exaggerated, innacurate and hyperbolized for fear effect.

We're talking about what Trump said. I could give a shit whether he spouted bullshit at Hofstra or Kent State, the point is that he's spouting some bullshit.

And since he repeats the same point in his debate, it's entirely still relevant. You're pulling the "grammar teach" internet argument that tries ignoring everything that's being said because someone spelled "you're" wrong. You get that, right?

Both at Fox and Hofstra, Trump has blown Ford's outsourcing wildly out of proportion. You threw your tantrum at first, believing that the quote wasn't word for word. It was. Then you backtracked to "well he said it on a different stage" which is just deflecting. It's the same attack on Ford, in two locations.

 

[Joe Wong]

i dont get the bigely reference -- but sigh -- hardest thing ive had to say in a long time: not even for 6 figures

What he meant to say is that one candidate is going to bigly cut your taxes and the other is going to bigly raise them

 

[Deleted member 196663]

You keep repeating that everything gets thrown out right now (conveniently) because you have a problem with Trump saying that position at *this* location instead of at the debate, never mind the fact that he echoes the same exact point in the debate, never mind the fact that what Trump is saying in both locations is exaggerated, innacurate and hyperbolized for fear effect.

We're talking about what Trump said. I could give a shit whether he spouted bullshit at Hofstra or Kent State, the point is that he's spouting some bullshit.

And since he repeats the same point in his debate, it's entirely still relevant. You're pulling the "grammar teach" internet argument that tries ignoring everything that's being said because someone spelled "you're" wrong. You get that, right?

Both at Fox and Hofstra, Trump has blown Ford's outsourcing wildly out of proportion. You threw your tantrum at first, believing that the quote wasn't word for word. It was. Then you backtracked to "well he said it on a different stage" which is just deflecting. It's the same attack on Ford, in two locations.

None of that looks like an apology.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

So have any of the hard-line gun folks commented on Trump's support for Clinton's position on the no-fly list?
Personally I would consider his position supporting the extra-judicial suspension of Rights to be something that should get his NRA endorsement revoked.

@oldshadow @Cubo de Sangre

I'm on record around here as being against it. I've also said it's not just a 2nd Amendment issue, but also 4th Amendment one, while lamenting how liberals don't speak out against it because they're happy to take a gun out of anyone's hand that they can. In short, it's a real fucking' shame that anyone would support stripping any right without any due process (a right in and of itself). I doubt too many people who truly believe in rights support it, but it wouldn't surprise me if the fudds (people who hunt and care only about protecting their right to do so) did.

I can't speak for the NRA, but one candidate is clearly a far superior choice (for that single-issue voter) than the other. If they're going to support somebody then Trump is obviously the candidate.

 

[MiniCraque]

So have any of the hard-line gun folks commented on Trump's support for Clinton's position on the no-fly list?
Personally I would consider his position supporting the extra-judicial suspension of Rights to be something that should get his NRA endorsement revoked.

@oldshadow @Cubo de Sangre

Another one of his stances that clashes (or should clash) with the NRA is actually stop-and-frisk. He keeps saying there's "bad people" walking around and they have guns. Well no shit, last time I heard people have the right to carry firearms. It was problematic in New York with it's highly restrictive gun laws, what about CCW states?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Cause if you knew anything about Exortion 17 or Benghazi

Dude extortion 17? Was it the Talib an in the chopper or the rpg? Cause the guy that wrote the book claims both.

That whole conspiracy also all depends on believing that our govt wanted seal team 6 dead to hide the fact that they didn't kill OBL.

And they spent millions investigating Bhengazi

 

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