Elections First Presidential Debate Discussion: 9/26/16

Who won the debate?

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VivaRevolution said:
Where? On What Issues?

I watched every Dem primary debate word for word. I knew Clinton can hold her own.

In the gotcha category, which was 90% of the debate, they traded shot for shot, and it is only people's confirmed bias that made a difference. If you believe Trump was lying about his support of the Iraq war, you thought Clinton scored points there. If you thought Trump was right in his description of his support of the Iraq war, you thought Clinton looked crooked once again.


Where did Clinton win when they started with their BS identity politics questions, and race baiting?

Where did Clinton win on FP?

No one can win, because everyone gets their own facts.

Their are 10% of this country, whose opinion matters, and really it is more like 10% of 3 states. So the real question is who did bob in Ohio, Lucy in Florida, and Sanchez in Pennsylvania think won?
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Exactly.

Hillary lied multiple times in the debate, yet who's calling her out? All her supporters likely bought her lies hook, line, and sinker and saw them as great zingers.
 
MacDuffle said:
You sound bitter about "one term" being allowed at all, otherwise you wouldn't be such a poofy nerd about the terminology

Did it hurt?

When your long-held childhood "feelings" about how the world works had to take a backseat, and begrudgingly admit to the existence of one empirically assessed field, within the subject of climate problems?

Do you find yourself desperately grasping to the difference between "warming" and "change" like a withered fool, in your dying struggle to retain the position that you are infallible; that the Hippies weren't right about something?

Weirdly enough, I constantly find Americans take special exception to the idea that there could possibly be decay in nature (I mean holy shit, decay in nature?), let alone decay in nature resulting from something man-made. Many opponents of this act as though, were it true, the revelation would somehow 'mean' something hugely significant politically/advantageously, other than simply being what it is, like any phenomenon in nature

"Warming" is not a dirty word, and it isn't some Godzilla entity that's going to kill everyone in two years if we don't pay ___ environmental organizations money as part of their nefarious plot, fulfilling whatever dumb Cabal "secret agenda" far, far right consipiracy you think might warrant the falsifying of "warming" claims.

Warming is just one part of many natural systems decaying, like humans decay, like rocks and mountains and flora/fauna decays. Your own U.S. Department of Commerce maintains that position, as a federal agency

http://www.noaa.gov/

That's your government. If you didn't like NASA's position, for some stupid f*cking reason and have somehow decided that for all your dumb ass knows, NASAs probably illuminati, and in on the "scheme"

Nevermind all the scientific, non-partisan research and study that takes place in countries outside your own.

You goof
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Space said:
Exactly.

Hillary lied multiple times in the debate, yet who's calling her out? All her supporters likely bought her lies hook, line, and sinker and saw them as great zingers.
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Trump better learn from that. He is fighting the moderator and Clinton. Only one way for him to win there, and it is with an overwhelming offense, that shakes her up, and throws her off.

When I was predicting Trump to dismember Clinton in the debates, I thought this would be his approach.

She doesn't like being criticized. She doesn't like having to defend herself. He needs to take one facet of one issue, and demand over and over in the most aggressive way possible that she answers it. He scored gotcha points with his quip about her staff pleading the 5th, that would be a good one to hit on.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Where? On What Issues?

I watched every Dem primary debate word for word. I knew Clinton can hold her own.

In the gotcha category, which was 90% of the debate, they traded shot for shot, and it is only people's confirmed bias that made a difference. If you believe Trump was lying about his support of the Iraq war, you thought Clinton scored points there. If you thought Trump was right in his description of his support of the Iraq war, you thought Clinton looked crooked once again.


Where did Clinton win when they started with their BS identity politics questions, and race baiting?

Where did Clinton win on FP?

No one can win, because everyone gets their own facts.

There is 10% of this country whose opinion matters, and really it is more like 10% of 3 states. So the real question is who did bob in Ohio, Lucy in Florida, and Sanchez in Pennsylvania think won?
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Her detailed analysis on how to bring communities and police together wrecked his saying 'law and order' 30 times. She gently mocked that vapid repetition. Wrecked him on having his hands on the nuclear arsenal. 'someone who gets his jimmies rustled on twitter'. Really exposed his complete lack of knowledge on international affairs. She unbalanced him on his taxes. Brought his sexism out in the open. Brought up his shady business dealings, not paying people - Even Republican voters liked that. That's going to really hurt him. A lot of his voters are lower middle class who know what it's like to get stiffed on a payment. Then she elegantly tied that practice to his oft expressed desire to renig on international agreements. It was pretty brutal.

On the other end, Trump was almost undecipherable after the first 20 minutes.
 
cooks1 said:
Her detailed analysis on how to bring communities and police together wrecked his saying 'law and order' 30 times. She gently mocked that vapid repetition. Wrecked him on having his hands on the nuclear arsenal. 'someone who gets his jimmies rustled on twitter'. She unbalanced him on his taxes. Brought his sexism out in the open. Brought up his shady business dealings, not paying people Even Republican voters liked that. That's going to really hurt him. A lot of his voters are lower middle class who know what it's like to get stiffed on a payment.

On the other end, Trump was almost undecipherable after the first 20 minutes.
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If they really cared about actual policy, political competence versus vacuous self promotion, bigotry, flip flopping or lies, they wouldn't be Trump supporters.
 
Space said:
Exactly.

Hillary lied multiple times in the debate, yet who's calling her out? All her supporters likely bought her lies hook, line, and sinker and saw them as great zingers.
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LOL at a trump supporter calling somebody a sheep.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Move to a different country then, because a neurotic, self absorbed, psychotic is going to get elected one way or another.
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Says the guy with the upside down flag. I like this country, and think it will be more wonderful when Hillary becomes president.
 
Ruprecht said:
If they really cared about actual policy, political competence versus vacuous self promotion, bigotry, flip flopping or lies, they wouldn't be Trump supporters.
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Well, you got me on that one.
 
cooks1 said:
Her detailed analysis on how to bring communities and police together wrecked his saying 'law and order' 30 times. She gently mocked that vapid repetition. Wrecked him on having his hands on the nuclear arsenal. 'someone who gets his jimmies rustled on twitter'. Really exposed his complete lack of knowledge on international affairs. She unbalanced him on his taxes. Brought his sexism out in the open. Brought up his shady business dealings, not paying people Even Republican voters liked that. That's going to really hurt him. A lot of his voters are lower middle class who know what it's like to get stiffed on a payment. Then she elegantly tied that practice to his oft expressed desire to renig on international agreements. It was pretty brutal.

On the other end, Trump was almost undecipherable after the first 20 minutes.
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Yeah, I think the tax/contractor exchange was Trump's absolute worst point. She got him to admit he basically pays nothing in taxes, made him seem out of touch with his "$600 million in personal debt is nothing, folks", reinforced the idea that an audit doesn't prevent you from showing your taxes, and got him to admit he stiffed his contractors over bullshit reasons within a span of 10 minutes.
 
cooks1 said:
Her detailed analysis on how to bring communities and police together wrecked his saying 'law and order' 30 times. She gently mocked that vapid repetition. Wrecked him on having his hands on the nuclear arsenal. 'someone who gets his jimmies rustled on twitter'. Really exposed his complete lack of knowledge on international affairs. She unbalanced him on his taxes. Brought his sexism out in the open. Brought up his shady business dealings, not paying people - Even Republican voters liked that. That's going to really hurt him. A lot of his voters are lower middle class who know what it's like to get stiffed on a payment. Then she elegantly tied that practice to his oft expressed desire to renig on international agreements. It was pretty brutal.

On the other end, Trump was almost undecipherable after the first 20 minutes.
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Ok, so just to let you know this is the exact confirmed bias on both sides I was referring to. The only policy position you described was communities and police issue.

Everything else was gotcha non-sense, which Trump had plenty of his own blows landed.
 
ThinkGreen said:
I thought Trump had a ton of trouble just formulating coherent sentences. Idk why he didn't practice more, guess it doesn't matter. He should have been more concise and dropped some specifics imo.

The moderator was bias as shit and annoying.
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I liked how he threw in the thing about his 10 year old son being a whiz on the Internet, I thought it was crucial to the issue of international cyberattacks.
 
Space said:
Trump's support is a movement and has been since the primaries.

Hillary's support is based on weakness and fear.
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Weakness and fear is religion, not someone who will be a great president. Conservatives have a savior complex whether it's Jesus, Bush, or Herr Trump.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
I liked how he threw in the thing about his 10 year old son being a whiz on the Internet, I thought it was crucial to the issue of international cyberattacks.
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"He does these cyber things - memes - have you heard of them? Very funny. Very funny. They're the best thing on the cyber, folks, the very best. I guarantee it."
 
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