Crime Firearms

[My Spot]

They shouldn't have done that.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Depends on why he was shooting them. If it was a gang thing and some people got caught in the crossfire, nope, sure doesnt. If he wqs protesting a raise i fares or mad at a non-criminal over workplace or ideological issues, it does count.

If I see gangsters beefing, I dip for a reason

LMaO at this. If you shoot 15 people that’s a mass shooting. It doesn’t matter intent, body count, or how vigorously the DA will pursue the case/offer cash bail for a person who has no business in society. Get fucked with these mental gymnastics.

 

[Tapioca Cold]

I think it's stupid and ridiculous that Americans all have guns. However, I'd have to get one if I lived there because of all the shootings. It's a pretty bad cycle as I'm sure many Americans feel the same way.

 

[djacobox372]

No, most mass shooters aren't white. Stop using Mother Jones.

There aren't stats on what percentage of gun owners own their weapons legally but presumably yes legal owners outnumber illegal ones.

There also isn't much on what percentage of illegal shootings are done with illegal guns. However what there is does indicate that most crimes and murders involving guns are done with illegally-owned firearms. Mass shootings are overwhelmingly done with legal guns however.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

Whites and rural people do have higher levels of suicide and gun suicide.

Most mass shooters are white:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American.

Obviously yes they are mostly in built-up areas.

16 million 1st time gun owners in the last 2 years sounds a little high.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/nssf-retailer-surveys-indicate-5-4-million-first-time-gun-buyers-in-2021/#:~:text=NEWTOWN, Conn.,the first time in 2021.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation® (NSSF®), the firearm industry trade association, revealed that at least 5.4 million people purchased a firearm for the first time in 2021. Nearly 30 percent of all firearm purchases last year went to new gun owners, based on NSSF’s retailer surveys and adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background checks.

Retailer Sales Survey

That figure is a 10 percent decrease from the 40 percent of first-time gun buyers revealed in similar surveys in 2020. More than 21 million background checks were conducted for the sale of a firearm then, with over 8.4 million of those estimated to be for those buying a firearm for the first time.

The fact that you would take the time to lay out these numbers and not even once mention the "PER CAPITA" aspect of the comparison exposes your bias and agenda.

Surprisingly to many, when you factor in population sizes, Asians are by far and away the most likely to commit a mass-shooting.

 

[My Spot]

The fact that you would take the time to lay out these numbers and not even once mention the "PER CAPITA" aspect of the comparison exposes your bias and agenda.

When one takes a fair look at all the correlating factors, races does not predict crap. Whites are involved in mass shootings at a rate far lower than they are represented in society; however, this doesn't mean anything when you look at other correlating issues (poverty, untreated mental illness, etc.)

You don't even have to use rate.

 

[650lb Sumo]

The fact that you would take the time to lay out these numbers and not even once mention the "PER CAPITA" aspect of the comparison exposes your bias and agenda.

Surprisingly to many, when you factor in population sizes, Asians are by far and away the most likely to commit a mass-shooting.

You can ask questions about stats without accusing people of bias etc. Here's what the authors of the first study say about race:

[Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole. While a superficial comparison of the statistics seems to suggest African American shooters are over-represented and Latino shooters underrepresented, the fact that the shooter’s race is unclear in around nine percent of cases, along with the different time frames over which these statistics are calculated, means no such conclusions should be drawn.]

Someone has already mentioned that obviously there were a lot more than 141 mass shootings in the USA between 82 and 23 (the 2nd study has 172 between 66 and 19). In fact there have been more than 172 this year already. How they got those numbers is not made obvious. If you read enough presumably it would be explained but the amount of time, energy and inclination I have to research gun crime stats for free is limited.

If we take a middle figure for the time span and take racial proportions from the 2000 census, and compare them to the figures from the first study we get this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_census

Notes:
These are self-reported figures.
Some people don't fill in the census.
Some people fill in the census wrongly or ambiguously.
The rate of change of the racial makeup of the USA was not constant during that time.
Mass shootings have been getting more and more frequent and more and more deadly.
The police/FBI etc. often class light-skinned, but nonwhite criminals as 'white'.
'Hispanic' can be any race.

So this primitive comparison is far from watertight.

White: 75% population, 52% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 31%
Hispanic: 12.5%, 8% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 36%
Black: 12.3%, 18% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 46%
Asian: 3.6%, 7% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 94%

Comparing the 2nd study with the 1990 census we get:

https://www.iowadatacenter.org/datatables/UnitedStates/usstracehispanic1990.pdf

White: 75.6% population, 52.3% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 31%
Hispanic: 9.0% population, 8.1% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 10%
Black: 12.1% population, 20.9% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 73%
Asian: 2.9% population, 6.4% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 121%

For the reasons mentioned above this is the last time I am going to post/break down gun stats for a while.

 

[djacobox372]

You can ask questions about stats without accusing people of bias etc. Here's what the authors of the first study say about race:

[Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole. While a superficial comparison of the statistics seems to suggest African American shooters are over-represented and Latino shooters underrepresented, the fact that the shooter’s race is unclear in around nine percent of cases, along with the different time frames over which these statistics are calculated, means no such conclusions should be drawn.]

Someone has already mentioned that obviously there were a lot more than 141 mass shootings in the USA between 82 and 23 (the 2nd study has 172 between 66 and 19). In fact there have been more than 172 this year already. How they got those numbers is not made obvious. If you read enough presumably it would be explained but the amount of time, energy and inclination I have to research gun crime stats for free is limited.

If we take a middle figure for the time span and take racial proportions from the 2000 census, and compare them to the figures from the first study we get this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_census

Notes:
These are self-reported figures.
Some people don't fill in the census.
Some people fill in the census wrongly or ambiguously.
The rate of change of the racial makeup of the USA was not constant during that time.
Mass shootings have been getting more and more frequent and more and more deadly.
The police/FBI etc. often class light-skinned, but nonwhite criminals as 'white'.
'Hispanic' can be any race.

So this primitive comparison is far from watertight.

White: 75% population, 52% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 31%
Hispanic: 12.5%, 8% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 36%
Black: 12.3%, 18% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 46%
Asian: 3.6%, 7% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 94%

Comparing the 2nd study with the 1990 census we get:

https://www.iowadatacenter.org/datatables/UnitedStates/usstracehispanic1990.pdf

White: 75.6% population, 52.3% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 31%
Hispanic: 9.0% population, 8.1% of mass shooters, underrepresented by 10%
Black: 12.1% population, 20.9% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 73%
Asian: 2.9% population, 6.4% of mass shooters, overrepresented by 121%

For the reasons mentioned above this is the last time I am going to post/break down gun stats for a while.

So like I said, if you're going to ask questions about racial disparity, you should be asking yourself WTF is going on with Asians?

Not only are the vastly overrepresented in mass shootings, they are at the same time vastly underrepresented in other violent crimes. That's definitely a head scratcher.

I'd be curious if the rampant sexual discrimination from women against Asian men have made them a much larger portion of the incel community than their demographics would predict.

 

[650lb Sumo]

So like I said, if you're going to ask questions about racial disparity, you should be asking yourself WTF is going on with Asians?

Not only are the vastly overrepresented in mass shootings, they are at the same time vastly underrepresented in other violent crimes. That's definitely a head scratcher.

I'd be curious if the rampant sexual discrimination from women against Asian men have made them a much larger portion of the incel community than their demographics would predict.

I didn't ask questions about racial disparity but obviously yes there is an issue there with Asian-Americans. As I posted in one of these threads most mass shootings are linked to domestic violence but no one seems to really know what causes them. Certainly elements of social/sexual rejection could play a role, especially in a school or university shooting (Elliott Rodger, Seung-Hui Cho etc.).

 

[Queen B]

The NRA crowd