Finishing survivalists like Gary is harder than it is to finish guys who engage.

[Ludwig von Mises]

Shavkat is catching a lot of hate for not destroying Gary but Gary is a survivalist and with guys like that it's harder to finish them. They're good at making you frustrated and they're good at making you chase them and thats when they land sneaky shots which can hurt you. Its very hard to finish these type of guys. Condit was good at this kind of style.

Gary isnt in there going for it and engaging and walking into his oppoents wheelhouse. He's happy to stay on the outside, bouncing around on his toes, moving in and out and collect points- looking to set up his body kicks and head kicks.

He's good at avoiding brawls and staying out of real danger and its going to make his fights boring. His footwork is good and it's not easy to hit him clean with consistency. When you do hit him clean he has a decent chin and doesn't have the "I have to get him back" mentality. He ate some bombs Shavkat and didn't get hurt and regrouped fast. He also ate some bombs from MVP and took them well too.

Gary is a survivalist on the feet and he's also a good survivalist on the ground and can surprise someone with his own subs like he he nearly did tonight. That body triangle he uses makes it hard to posture up and GnP him. He also has really good cardio and it's not going to be easy to finish a guy like this.

I don't think Shavkat's performance against Gary was amazing but I don't think that it was a metric for how his fights would go against other fighters, especially Belal. Belal is good but he's going to walk right into Shavkats wheelhouse a lot more than Gary did, providing more opportunities for Shavkat to hurt him.

I expect more fights like this from Gary. God forbid he ever fights Leon. That will be an insane snoozer.

 

[OldBoy91]

What's hilarious about everybody bitching about Garry being defensive and Shavkat being unaable to finish him because Ian was scared to engage, is that Garry was the one who almost finished Shavkat.

Shavkat came to wall and stall and Garry was the one trying to get Shavkat out of there in the alter rounds.

 

[Poirierfan]

Shavkat is catching a lot of hate for not destroying Gary but Gary is a survivalist and with guys like that it's harder to finish them. They're good at making you frustrated and they're good at making you chase them and thats when they land sneaky shots which can hurt you. Its very hard to finish these type of guys. Condit was good at this kind of style.

Gary isnt in there going for it and engaging and walking into his oppoents wheelhouse. He's happy to stay on the outside, bouncing around on his toes, moving in and out and collect points- looking to set up his body kicks and head kicks.

He's good at avoiding brawls and staying out of real danger and its going to make his fights boring. His footwork is good and it's not easy to him clean with consistency. When you do hit him clean he has a decent chin and doesn't have the "I have to get him back" mentality. He ate some bombs Shavkat and didn't get hurt and regrouped fast. He also ate some bombs from MVP and took them well too.

Gary is a survivalist on the feet and he's also a good survivalist on the ground and can surprise someone with his own subs like he he nearly did tonight. That body triangle he uses makes it hard to posture up and GnP him. He also has really good cardio and it's not going to be easy to finish a guy like this.

I don't think Shavkat's performance against Gary was amazing but I don't think that it was a metric for how his fights would go against other fighters, especially Belal. Belal is good but he's going to walk right into Shavkats wheelhouse a lot more than Gary did, providing more opportunities for Shavkat to hurt him.

I expect more fights like this from Gary. God forbid he ever fights Leon. That will be an insane snoozer.

Ian is one of the best at making his opponents look average, it's how he fights. Anyone that knew this should've probably expected the fight to go like it did.

 

[Urluberluu]

Who is the finishing survivalist ?

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Who is the finishing survivalist ?

30 seconds doesn't define a 25 minute fight.

 

[OldBoy91]

Who is the finishing survivalist ?

Arguing a disliked fighter was the one actually fighting to finish against a wall and stalling beloved fighter on Sherdog is fighting a losing battle. It's like trying to explain why communism is bad on reddit.

You are correct, but heavily outnumbered by morons.

 

[Question]

What was he surviving though?
Ian came the closest to finishing the fight here and had multiple sub attempts

 

[OldBoy91]

30 seconds doesn't define a 25 minute fight.

30 seconds more than Shavkat attempted to get a finish in those 25 minutes.

 

[Unheralded Truth]

People are strange. They know exactly who Ian is and how his point based fighting is a winning concept.

Shavkat tried to take him down round 1, but Ian has underrated wrestling strength. So the best thing Shavkat could do then,
was to give Ian a taste of his own medicine and not fall into the traps laid out by Ian like everyone else has been doing. And it worked out.

Great performance by Shavkat. I mean, I would applaud anyone able to defeat Sean Strickland with his own game too. Shit like that is why
I'm watching this sport. We all know that it's hard to style on those kind of guys who are so good at keeping their distance.

 

[OldBoy91]

What was he surviving though?
Ian came the closest to finishing the fight here and had multiple sub attempts

Speaking of surviving finishes.

Surprised nobody is talking about how Shavkat hooked Garry's glove to survive the RNC.

Kind of like how Usman did against Edwards in their 2nd fight.

 

[spinup]

People are strange. They know exactly who Ian is and how his point based fighting is a winning concept.

Shavkat tried to take him down round 1, but Ian has underrated wrestling strength. So the best thing Shavkat could do then,
was to give Ian a taste of his own medicine and not fall into the traps laid out by Ian like everyone else has been doing. And it worked out.

Great performance by Shavkat. I mean, I would applaud anyone able to defeat Sean Strickland with his own game too. Shit like that is why
I'm watching this sport. We all know that it's hard to style on those kind of guys who are so good at keeping their distance.

Yep. Ultimately, Shavkat beat a guy who no one managed to beat before.

 

[Poirierfan]

People are strange. They know exactly who Ian is and how his point based fighting is a winning concept.

Shavkat tried to take him down round 1, but Ian has underrated wrestling strength. So the best thing Shavkat could do then,
was to give Ian a taste of his own medicine and not fall into the traps laid out by Ian like everyone else has been doing. And it worked out.

Great performance by Shavkat. I mean, I would applaud anyone able to defeat Sean Strickland with his own game too. Shit like that is why
I'm watching this sport. We all know that it's hard to style on those kind of guys who are so good at keeping their distance.

What bolds well for Ian his how tall he is for the division. Not only does it allow Ian to fight at distance, but being tall actually helps with his tdd. Its sometimes hard to get the leverage needed against guys like him.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Arguing a disliked fighter was the one actually fighting to finish against a wall and stalling beloved fighter on Sherdog is fighting a losing battle. It's like trying to explain why communism is bad on reddit.

You are correct, but heavily outnumbered by morons.

Communisms great, Shavkats great, it's Garry's fault and he's Irish...so annoying.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

What's hilarious about everybody bitching about Garry being defensive and Shavkat being unaable to finish him because Ian was scared to engage, is that Garry was the one who almost finished Shavkat.

Shavkat came to wall and stall and Garry was the one trying to get Shavkat out of there in the alter rounds.

Agreed. I'm not mad at either guy but Garry impressed me more than Shavkat, even in defeat. Shavkat did what he had to do but Garry was a big dog, showed up, competed, proved he was game and that he belonged.

Shavkat was hesitant to even wrestle lol. Just wanted body locks, was shy to shoot.

 

[OldBoy91]

Communisms great, Shavkats great, it's Garry's fault and he's Irish...so annoying.

 

[Question]

Speaking of surviving finishes.

Surprised nobody is talking about how Shavkat hooked Garry's glove to survive the RNC.

Kind of like how Usman did against Edwards in their 2nd fight.

Didn't even notice that. I would rewatch the fifth round to check it out, that being said I'd rather not lol
And yeah if anyone was the survivalist for this bout it was Shavkat

Not a dig on Shavkat, but Ian was pushing more for a finish and got one pretty deep. I can't recall anytime in the fight he came close to or tried finishing Ian
He definitely won though, this is a pretty clear 3-2

 

[OldBoy91]

Didn't even notice that. I would rewatch the fifth round to check it out, that being said I'd rather not lol
And yeah if anyone was the survivalist for this bout it was Shavkat

Not a dig on Shavkat, but Ian was pushing more for a finish and got one pretty deep. I can't recall anytime in the fight he came close to or tried finishing Ian
He definitely won though, this is a pretty clear 3-2

Pretty much.

Like I said in another thread, Shavkat won more minutes, Garry had the bigger moments in the fight.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Didn't even notice that. I would rewatch the fifth round to check it out, that being said I'd rather not lol
And yeah if anyone was the survivalist for this bout it was Shavkat

Not a dig on Shavkat, but Ian was pushing more for a finish and got one pretty deep. I can't recall anytime in the fight he came close to or tried finishing Ian
He definitely won though, this is a pretty clear 3-2

Dare I say Machado wins via Pride Scoring?

Which is as we all know all that truly matters at the end of the day

 

[Yashabo]

Ian is one of the best at making his opponents look average, it's how he fights. Anyone that knew this should've probably expected the fight to go exactly like it did.

Well put! There are way worse fighters who've been the same throughout history, never being an easy outing but consistently being beaten by tol guys. As much as I hate to say it, Ian has many banger performances left in him if he stays healthy.

 

[Jarilo]

What's hilarious about everybody bitching about Garry being defensive and Shavkat being unaable to finish him because Ian was scared to engage, is that Garry was the one who almost finished Shavkat.

Shavkat came to wall and stall and Garry was the one trying to get Shavkat out of there in the alter rounds.