Finishing North South Choke?

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This choke is something I've been working on recently and while I can get the setup pretty reliably, I can't finish to save my life. I'm getting my arm wrapped properly (I believe), pushing their head well with my rib cage, moving my body more into the north south position, but when I squeeze I rarely get a tap and when I do it's because I'm producing more of a "crank" than an actual clean choke. Any tips or pointers would be much appreciated.

Thanks
 
Search for Maestre Renatch on YT for Mundials level NS choke
 
1. Ditch it
2. Grab the arm
3. North south kimura
 
Tis a feel thing. I learned it from Marcelos book and it works for me
 
Henacho, 27 chime whorl champion, has himo material on dach choke.
 
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Get very low on their torso, like if you wanted to get your head next to their, get your hips on the ground, spread your legs, keep rotating on the choking side and don't "squeeze", try to dig your shoulder into the ground and pull on your wrist with the non-choking arm.
 
Like dirty said, it's a feeling choke, I can do it pretty well from my left side, not so well on my right side, it's like I feel the choke and how to adjust it way more on one side than the other... But if it helps, try to make sure the high part of your Lats( think about the part that it's closer to your back than your ribs) it's in full contact with your opponents neck while you are still in side control, this will make. Easier to adjust the choke as you are going. Clock wise to side control and As you get lower it will open up your oponents neck, then dig your shoulder into your opponents throat. I normally finish one handed first, but when I do this most of the pressure comes from my Lats and biceps, not so much by dropping my shoulder... It's a really weird choke...
 
jack36767 said:
Tis a feel thing. I learned it from Marcelos book and it works for me
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Exactly. I saw a video where Marcelo explains how he finishes the NS choke in the gi, and his explanation was basically "I did it so much no-gi that I just know what it feels like when it's on." He also said how if it's not on then he'll let go, return to north south, then immediately hit the choke again. That made me pay more attention to the feel of my NS choke, and a big thing I noticed, as with a good guillotine and arm triangle, is that my choking shoulder needs to be high and my choking elbow bent 90 deg, such that my choking forearm arm is almost parallel with my shoulder line. If I do that, it's a lot easier to find the 'feel' of the choke where my opponents carotid is nestled in the crook of my elbow. Easy finish after that.
 
Main problem with finishing this choke is almost always the same thing: you are clamped too high on his body.

To finish the choke, you have to be lying almost flat on the ground like a pancake, with no contact except your arm over the throat. Even shoulder on shoulder contact turns it into a weak crank rather than a choke.

Le peste gives a good explanation, but 99 percent of the problem is always that you are too high and have too much contact with their body instead of being very flat and hitting the throat alone.
 
Its all about "smearing" their chin with your lat so their face is looking the other way. If you feel any hardness from their chin poking your lat, you need to smear more. Marcelo explains it well but you also need to watch him do it over and over. When all you feel is the softness of their neck and throat inside your choking triangle, it easy to finish with the advice given in the above posts. Good luck. It took me over a year to really get the feel for it. Now its my bread and butter submission.
 
Zankou said:
Main problem with finishing this choke is almost always the same thing: you are clamped too high on his body.

To finish the choke, you have to be lying almost flat on the ground like a pancake, with no contact except your arm over the throat. Even shoulder on shoulder contact turns it into a weak crank rather than a choke.

Le peste gives a good explanation, but 99 percent of the problem is always that you are too high and have too much contact with their body instead of being very flat and hitting the throat alone.
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I just keep sinking away if that makes sense
 
There is no squeeze in NS choke. You can add pressure with tensing up your bicep, but even that is not needed usually.

If it is not working it is
(a) your arm is not wrapped well enough. Marcelo Garcia pushes shoulder toward the ground to close the gap, others try reaching deep to do the same.
(b) their chin is pointing toward your ribs
(c) you are not low enough or not fully in NS position.

I'd recommend watching these two videos to figure out why it is not working:



 
jack36767 said:
I just keep sinking away if that makes sense
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Yeah that is a very good way to think about it. People usually feel like they are losing too much contact with the opponent so they stay tight and high, but to finish you really need to keep sinking away and going flat.
 
Bout time to start doing this choke again. I forgot so much about it. Those two videos above are good, especially the Drysdale one.
 
Drysdale explains it quite well. I always thought that I go very low and it still doesn't work. Then I asked my coach about it, and he told me I'm nowhere near low enough. It will feel like the opponent could just turn to turtle. But he can't, and eventually will tap. Just hold the choke tight and whatever you do, DO NOT adjust your grips. It will give your opponent more time to breathe and will basically reset the choke. It's the same thing with a side choke
 
For me, I make sure that I drive my shoulder to the mat. That closes the choke up for me.

Also, look up Marcelo's N/S stuff on youtube. Good quality details.
 
Shoulder in their throat using the same motion of downward movement that is applied with side control shoulder pressure rather than squeezing together, you need to get your shoulder moving straight down toward their throat. Get lower (further toward their head rather than chest on chest) and make sure your choking arm is deep, clasping hands together.
 
This technique is one I REALLY need work on myself so thanks for the insight guys.
 
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