Opinion Finding Common Ground

[Judoka1532]

As a conservative, I find common ground very unlikely. I feel like liberals won't budge and inch and conservatives know better than to do that. We know the slippery slope that leads to.

 

[TrumpSupporter]

brexit, give england freedom.

 

[AngryPorto]

There are gun owners in basically every county in the country. Our military's biggest advantage are weapons that would level small portions - entire neighborhoods. So unless they plan on trying to carpet bomb cites, suburbs, etc the guerilla warfare in every county would be effective. 3% of the population would outnumber our military nearly 10 - 1 (that is providing 0 military members turn on the government). Also good luck controlling and occupying 3.8 million sq miles.

I... did not consider that. Muhaha, fair enough. I guess they could resort to those tactics but they'd be ruling over ashes.

 

[AngryPorto]

I think what you're trying to say is that everyone should vote for Bernie sanders. I would agree.

 

[ocfightfan]

The problem is that, while I can imagine acceptable forms of the items you list TS, the left is going to take things too far.

 

[AngryPorto]

The problem is that, while I can imagine acceptable forms of the items you list TS, the left is going to take things too far.

Can you explain what you mean and/or what you're worried about?

 

[ocfightfan]

Can you explain what you mean and/or what you're worried about?

Well lets take gun control as an example. I would be fine with a robust system of background checks, and not letting guns be in the hand of people who are genuinely mentally ill with a predisposition towards violence. But I believe that leftists would use this as a camels nose under the tent. If I were to simply mention to my friends on Facebook that I've been feeling a bit depressed lately I fear that the government would swoop in and take away my fire arms and it would be impossible to get them back.

 

[AngryPorto]

Well lets take gun control as an example. I would be fine with a robust system of background checks, and not letting guns be in the hand of people who are genuinely mentally ill with a predisposition towards violence. But I believe that leftists would use this as a camels nose under the tent. If I were to simply mention to my friends on Facebook that I've been feeling a bit depressed lately I fear that the government would swoop in and take away my fire arms and it would be impossible to get them back.

Yeah I've sort of realized that I probably shouldn't have put gun control on this list, most of this thread is debating it lol.
I don't support the government seizing your gun for any reason other than you being a danger to yourself or others. As for the "danger to yourself" part, it's a tough grey area. I would hope that if guns were seized in this situation it would be legit and they would be given back once the crisis has passed, but I understand the slippery slope argument, and I don't want it to be used as justification for disarming the population.

 

[ocfightfan]

Yeah I've sort of realized that I probably shouldn't have put gun control on this list, most of this thread is debating it lol.
I don't support the government seizing your gun for any reason other than you being a danger to yourself or others. As for the "danger to yourself" part, it's a tough grey area. I would hope that if guns were seized in this situation it would be legit and they would be given back once the crisis has passed, but I understand the slippery slope argument, and I don't want it to be used as justification for disarming the population.

It's a nice sentiment, but we are seeing the abuse of power with civil forfeiture and structuring laws. I can easily see it with any of the proposals you mention. Even the whole infrastructure thing. Are we really building highly valuable infrastructure that will pay back at least some of the cost with benefits for all or is this an endless boondoggle that is basically a vote buying scheme for the Democratic party and RINOs?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Like that dork would know lmao.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I think what you're trying to say is that everyone should vote for Bernie sanders. I would agree.

We should have had Ron Paul.

 

[AngryPorto]

It's a nice sentiment, but we are seeing the abuse of power with civil forfeiture and structuring laws. I can easily see it with any of the proposals you mention. Even the whole infrastructure thing. Are we really building highly valuable infrastructure that will pay back at least some of the cost with benefits for all or is this an endless boondoggle that is basically a vote buying scheme for the Democratic party and RINOs?

Our bridges and roads will crumble, it's only a matter of time, we need to do something about it eventually, although I think worrying about corruption is fair. As always it comes down to good management.

 

[ocfightfan]

Our bridges and roads will crumble, it's only a matter of time, we need to do something about it eventually, although I think worrying about corruption is fair. As always it comes down to good management.

I live in California and pay some of the highest gas taxes in the nation. That money is supposed to go towards roads and bridges already. I think it's used as an opportunity to divert money towards progressive pet projects like things that benefit illegals.

We already pay taxes for this stuff and I have yet to see a plan which explains what incredible infrastructure would be built that would add value.

 

[woodguyatl]

That's a fair point.

In a way however you point to the potential problem behind the slippery slope of registration. If they've successfully altered poor and/or minorities ability to vote in the past (which I agree history reflects this), then we already know what our establishment is capable of. Given this, why create the avenue of "it's only gun registration and for everyone's own benefit", knowing that it never ends with "just that"? Would you really believe for the next say, 50 years, it would start and end with only gun registration? That would sound highly unlikely imo.

If this was in a vacuum the logical response would be to say "of course all guns can be registered, let us find a way to apply a policy". In reality, the end results always tend to be more blurred. One day there would be some reason why certain guns are illegal and must be returned (they already are started trying this avenue with the school shooting politics). Then others, then only certain people, then etc. That's not an absolute end result, but a rather safe than sorry path avoids any possible bad outcomes. The overwhelming majority of people hurt by that would be the law abiding citizens who never commit crimes, while criminals and degenerates will continue on with the exact same gun crimes.

Reading back through my posts I’m not sure I was clear in making my point. I am not in favor of strict gun registration or voter registration. My intent was to point out the hypocrisy of people who are against gun registration because they fear the government curtailing their rights but less concerned about voter registration and the ability of that being used to curtail others rights.