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Opinion Finding Common Ground

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Hello WR. I thought it would be interesting to see what issues we might actually find common ground on. Issues like abortion, the economy, taxation -- most of them I guess -- we're all pretty entrenched in, but I think there is some common ground for us commies and fascists to share. So here are mine, what do you think? And let me know yours.

Getting money out of politics:
What we have right now is essentially legalized bribery in the form of Super PACs, big money dinners, lobbying, etc, allowing billionaires (Koch Brothers, Soros) to have unfair advantage with politicians who are supposed to representing all of us, not just a few of us. Would you support an amendment making it illegal for politicians to accept campaign contributions? How about only allowed to accept a certain amount of money from small donors? Along with this would perhaps be the requirement to publicly fund campaigns and require businesses who run political adds to offer equal promotion of the opposing party.

Regulating social media platforms as public utilities:
I often hear my conservative friends complaining about how left-leaning social media platforms (Facebook, Twitter, YT, etc) more harshly censor and remove conservative viewpoints. If we regulate them as a public utility we can then apply the 1st amendment to them, thereby protecting all speech on these platforms as protected speech. Social media platforms are the new public square and should be treated as such.

Gun control:
The knee-jerk reaction here might be to think this issue is too partisan, but from my personal experience and some polling data I've seen, most Americans are pretty much in the same place. Universal background checks when buying from licensed dealers (most states already do this), as well as some kind of reporting system or bill of sale for private transactions or gifts. If I sell my car the state finds out because the new owner has to register the title, I think it's fair if you sell your gun privately that there should be some kind of paper trail to know the purchase history of said gun.

Marijuana & other recreational drugs in general:
The cat's out of the bag for marijuana, and it's time for our laws to reflect that federally. While I'm open to the idea of states having the right to legalize or not internally, marijuana should be de-criminalized federally and removed as a Schedule 1 so it can be properly researched without unnecessary red-tape. Other "natural" drugs like mushrooms should also be considered. If it grows out of the ground it's probably okay and up to the individual how to use. Also the "Green" Industry is the largest growing industry in the country. So there's that.

Bring the troops home:
We've been in Afghanistan for 18 years, Iraq for 16, and we're in shadow wars across the Middle East and Africa. It's time to bring the troops home. The Middle East has been a quagmire for thousands of years, it's time we stopped sending young Americans to die for the greed of the military industrial complex, especially given the pretenses for some of these wars (Iraq) turned out to be false (where dem WMD's at?).

Infrastructure:
Our infrastructure gets a rating of D+. We need an overhaul. The means are important (private or public) and are a separate debate, but we should be able to agree that the whole patch-and-pray philosophy we've been following will eventually catch up to us. Plus jobs. Jobs jobs jobs.


These are just a few off the top of my head. Thoughts? Additions?
 
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We can all agree on: 1) release all the classified UFO documents 2) dogs are better than humans
 
I'm certainly onboard with all six categories. They are no-brainer's. But you will encounter heavy, partisan pushback on the first five and even on the last, infrastructure, relative to how it will be funded.
 
I'm certainly onboard with all six categories. They are no-brainer's. But you will encounter heavy, partisan pushback on the first five and even on the last, infrastructure, relative to how it will be funded.
Combine the last two categories.

Bring the troops home and have them fix the roads.
 
Life in an asylum should be the punishment for people who torture animals.
 
I am onboard with most of these. I’m skeptical on regulating media platforms as public utilities, though. It just doesn’t seem to be a good metaphor; if the actual internet providers are not public utilities, how can the individual websites be? I think this would be a hot mess legally. I’d like to see us actually guarantee high speed internet access before we start going eminent domain on parts of the internet.

Also, campaign finance reform is a great, worthy goal, but the GOP will fight it tooth and nail until its dying breath. To present that as a “both sides” issue is just wrong.

Similarly, anything with “gun” and “control” in the same paragraph is an absolute non-starter for a large section of the GOP for political reasons.

Honestly, I think marijuana decriminalization at the federal level has the best shot, followed by infrastructure.
 
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I think the most common ground is at the intersection of the private and public spheres. Conservatives and centrists overwhelmingly oppose corporate corruption of government and support campaign finance regulations, but they continue to vote for Republicans who are dead set on removing all regulations and oversight into their financing so that they can get endless bribes without anyone knowing.

Really, in terms of issue polling, there is a lot of agreement in the country, and conservatives actually support the Democratic position on major issues: border enforcement with a path to citizenship (Republicans won't allow a path for citizenship because of cynical electoral consideration), legalized abortion for the first trimester of pregnancy and for cases of rape/incest/risk of death, moderate regulation of firearms through background checks, etc.

The problem isn't that conservatives disagree with the left's major policies or that they agree with the Republicans' major policies. It's that they loathe the lies about Democrats' policies further by Republicans: that Democrats want open borders and race wars, full-term ("post-birth" lol) abortions, massive gun confiscation, etc.

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THC>Alcohol
Whoa, suck a dick.
 
Agree with everything except more gun control. It's a slippery slope.
 
Getting money out of politics:

I'm cool with political donations. Just make them transparent. If those running for office can't accept campaign donations, then all of our office holders will be of the %0.0000001 wealthy.

Rather, just ensure that all donations are clearly listed on a Federal Election Commission's website.

Regulating social media platforms as public utilities:

I'm all in favor of treating the internet like a utility. In the 21st century, internet access should be in the same relm of accessibility as safe drinking water out of your faucet.

However, I sense a slippery slope regarding to how social media will/can/should be regulated by the government.

- will what is actually regulated change based upon which political party is in power?
- should our government be able to regulate what the people of Botswana can and can't read in their twitter feed?

Marijuana & drugs in general:

I have no idea what to say here regarding policy making. All I have to say is that we as Americans are f*cking obsessed with drugs. I'm not talking about pot and the like; but prescription drugs.

It seems like 50% of ads on TV are about prescription drugs. 30% of ads on the radio are about prescrition drugs. 20% of all popup ads on the intertubes are about prescription drugs.

Got a bad back: here is a pill.
Having a tough day at work: here is a pill.
Have trouble sleeping: here is a pill.
Your body is going through a natural state of aging: here is a pill.
You calf cramps up on you at night: here is a purple pill.

Bring the Troops home and Infrastructure:

As I said above...combine these two. Bring the troops home and have them update of nation's infrastructure.
 
I forgot to ad a tidbit regarding Gun Control:

We have to register to exercise our right to vote. So, I'm cool with registering our right to bare arms.

Link my weapon to me in the same way my 1999 Honda Civic is linked to me.
 
Marijuana & drugs in general:

I have no idea what to say here regarding policy making. All I have to say is that we as Americans are f*cking obsessed with drugs. I'm not talking about pot and the like; but prescription drugs.

It seems like 50% of ads on TV are about prescription drugs. 30% of ads on the radio are about prescrition drugs. 20% of all popup ads on the intertubes are about prescription drugs.

Got a bad back: here is a pill.
Having a tough day at work: here is a pill.
Have trouble sleeping: here is a pill.
Your body is going through a natural state of aging: here is a pill.
You calf cramps up on you at night: here is a purple pill.

Sorry I should have been more clear, I was talking about recreational drugs. Prescription drugs are a whole other thing, something that should be looked at no doubt because as you say, they are insidious.
 
Sorry I should have been more clear, I was talking about recreational drugs. Prescription drugs are a whole other thing, something that should be looked at no doubt because as you say, they are insidious.
But, it seems like there is a fine line between recreational and prescription drugs.

After all, one man's prescription drug is another man's recreational drug.

We're a drug obsessed culture.
 
Abortions for some; miniature American flags for others.
 
Abortions - touchy subject. I'd probably be classified as "pro choice". I'm not here to cite the extremes ( which always get used in arguments I.e rape/incest abortions or late term abortions ). I'd hope for a middle ground. No I dont think you should be able to abort your baby after 8 months thats mote rhen enough time to decide ,there should be some humane timeframes ( yes I know it's all still immorale) to make a choice. But I dont want peoples freedom to be taken away. Gun control - the logical ( to most ) taking guns away wont solve anything . Making it harder to acquire will not prevent as much as the anti-gun crowd suggests but some common sense laws and reform could definatly help. Politics- they're all the goddamn same wake up.
 
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