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Fighters that carry too much body fat

yes it does, unless youre running a lot of steroids or a beginner lifter, its very hard to put on muscle without putting on fat. thats why lifters call it "bulking" where they eat as much as possible to put on both fat and muscle before going on a caloric deficit to lose the fat and maintain as much of the muscle as possible

having no fat means youre on a caloric deficit and not gaining muscle

having a small amount of fat isnt a liability, fat is an energy store and extra weight that you can throw into techniques. just like how pro football players often have a little bit of fat so they can hit harder when they tackle

This is also true. But you liked my last post.

And yeah few seasoned fighters are probably going to find the time or have the patience to want to clean bulk while also training mma. If I was a fighter and already had my noob lifting gains I'd never count calories. And yeah I'd prefer to run some gear.

So you'd agree that some guys are just fatties who need to go on a serious cut. There is no way someone can logically tell me that Cain who weighs 245lbs isn't carrying excess fat and flabby meanwhile JDS who is 3 inches taller and weighs 245lb as well is super lean and pretty juicy.

JDS has easily 20lbs of lean body mass on Cain. Now that didn't Help JDS in his last two fights cause he was defeated via being outpaced and Cain was more technical and not so much weaker that JDS could so easily overpower him. However I don't see how anyone can say that Cain is better off with his excess fat then without it.

If that is the case maybe Cain should gain 20lbs of mostly fat. After all it will only help him right?
 
The best HW's in MMA have always been chubby, Fedor, Cormier and Cain are the best HW's ever in MMA in my mind, and they are all chubby with body fat. Chubby HW's normally beat the ripped muscular guys in MMA. its always been that way. Having body fat at HW is not a bad thing at all, its much better than having too much muscle.

Cormier isn't the best HW ever or close to it. He left HW before he could face the elite cream of crop.

And I'd argue Fedor would of had as much success at 225lbs and leaner than he was being 235lbs.

Cain isn't the best HW or close to it. Dude barely fights and has beaten Big foot, JDS and Browne in the past 7 years. Wow!!

Is Stipe fat? No. I'd argue Stipe is better conditioned and a better fight than Cain.

Truth be told, in MMA it always seemed like a little bit of fat helped. Much more than being lean or muscular.

Look at Fedor and Cain. DC and Werdum. None would have won a body contest but they've wrecked guys much fitter and muscular than them

Fedor won on talent in truth he is a natural LHW or could of been a shredded large MW.
 
This is also true. But you liked my last post.

And yeah few seasoned fighters are probably going to find the time or have the patience to want to clean bulk while also training mma. If I was a fighter and already had my noob lifting gains I'd never count calories. And yeah I'd prefer to run some gear.

So you'd agree that some guys are just fatties who need to go on a serious cut. There is no way someone can logically tell me that Cain who weighs 245lbs isn't carrying excess fat and flabby meanwhile JDS who is 3 inches taller and weighs 245lb as well is super lean and pretty juicy.

JDS has easily 20lbs of lean body mass on Cain. Now that didn't Help JDS in his last two fights cause he was defeated via being outpaced and Cain was more technical and not so much weaker that JDS could so easily overpower him. However I don't see how anyone can say that Cain is better off with his excess fat then without it.

If that is the case maybe Cain should gain 20lbs of mostly fat. After all it will only help him right?

There is a point of diminishing returns. Just like how pudz had to lose muscle for MMA about other fighters benefit from adding muscle

Someone like Roy Nelson should lose fat, werdum probably wouldn't benefit from losing fat and would probably suffer more from training on a caloric benefit than would benefit from losing fat

I'm just saying that a 6 pack is not always the optimal shape for training and fighting MMA as a heavyweight where they aren't trying to make the lightness weightclass possible

I don't think Cain should gain fat but if he has the cardio to last 5 rounds at a high pace and he's still fast, having fat isn't hurting him. He eats enough food to train as hard as he does, he shouldn't go on a deficit and have less energy for training
 
Not everybody can have low BF and compete at a high level at the same time. When it comes to HWs the extra weight, whether it be muscle or fat, helps. Being much higher than 240-50 lbs will probably destroy your cardio though.

Yes they can. It just takes discipline

What the OP is talking about really isn't an issue at Flyweight, Bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight or welterweight. For whatever reason the weight classes that basically 6'0ft and under have guys who are more conditioned. I mean that entire Flyweight, BW, FW and LW roster is cut on average. Team Alpha male is all shredded.

LHW and HW is where you see the fatness coming in. Even MW to a degree. Of course there are exceptions you still got skinny fat guys like Condit fighting at a lower weight class than what their frame can allow. If Condit put on real muscle mass then he would be a MW.

Karo Parisyan and fighters like him from a much older era are a dying breed. Karo was the definition of skinny fat and as such always was out muscled and wrecked by stronger often shorter guys.


There is a point of diminishing returns. Just like how pudz had to lose muscle for MMA about other fighters benefit from adding muscle

Someone like Roy Nelson should lose fat, werdum probably wouldn't benefit from losing fat and would probably suffer more from training on a caloric benefit than would benefit from losing fat

I'm just saying that a 6 pack is not always the optimal shape for training and fighting MMA as a heavyweight where they aren't trying to make the lightness weightclass possible

I don't think Cain should gain fat but if he has the cardio to last 5 rounds at a high pace and he's still fast, having fat isn't hurting him. He eats enough food to train as hard as he does, he shouldn't go on a deficit and have less energy for training

Post and pre USADA Cain are different though for whatever reason. Cain doesn't look today nor his last fights show he can last 5 rounds.

I don't think it would hurt Cain at all to go on a controlled slight calorie deficit and increase weight training to shed say 5lbs to 10 lbs of fat and in doing that gain some minor degree of strength. I am sure Cain lifts a little but how seasoned are his muscles as compared to Dos Santos or Overeem?

What I am saying is quite easily in an offseason he could drop 15lbs of fat and then gain 5 pounds of mostly lean muscle in the equivalent term of a semester. I don't see how that would at all hurt him if anything he'd be more explosive and athletic.

Pudz is an extreme example but a good one. The guy was like 320lbs at what, sun 10% body fat? His LBM numbers must of been insane and far over the natural threshold of what is naturally attainable and say even exceeding what is optimum for athletic use of running gear.

But Cain wont. He loves to eat and doesn't seem like the type who takes things as serious as say Jon Jones does or say GSP did. And when Cain retires he will likely only gain more weight since his output will decline. But hey its his life.
 
Yes they can. It just takes discipline

What the OP is talking about really isn't an issue at Flyweight, Bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight or welterweight. For whatever reason the weight classes that basically 6'0ft and under have guys who are more conditioned. I mean that entire Flyweight, BW, FW and LW roster is cut on average. Team Alpha male is all shredded.

LHW and HW is where you see the fatness coming in. Even MW to a degree. Of course there are exceptions you still got skinny fat guys like Condit fighting at a lower weight class than what their frame can allow. If Condit put on real muscle mass then he would be a MW.

Karo Parisyan and fighters like him from a much older era are a dying breed. Karo was the definition of skinny fat and as such always was out muscled and wrecked by stronger often shorter guys.




Post and pre USADA Cain are different though for whatever reason. Cain doesn't look today nor his last fights show he can last 5 rounds.

I don't think it would hurt Cain at all to go on a controlled slight calorie deficit and increase weight training to shed say 5lbs to 10 lbs of fat and in doing that gain some minor degree of strength. I am sure Cain lifts a little but how seasoned are his muscles as compared to Dos Santos or Overeem?

What I am saying is quite easily in an offseason he could drop 15lbs of fat and then gain 5 pounds of mostly lean muscle in the equivalent term of a semester. I don't see how that would at all hurt him if anything he'd be more explosive and athletic.

Pudz is an extreme example but a good one. The guy was like 320lbs at what, sun 10% body fat? His LBM numbers must of been insane and far over the natural threshold of what is naturally attainable and say even exceeding what is optimum for athletic use of running gear.

But Cain wont. He loves to eat and doesn't seem like the type who takes things as serious as say Jon Jones does or say GSP did. And when Cain retires he will likely only gain more weight since his output will decline. But hey its his life.

You should apply as a coach for AKA.
 
You should apply as a coach for AKA.

I don't have the credentials but everything I said is known in the lifting, athletic and nutrition community by the elite institutions. And it is stuff that people at Greg Jackson or team alpha male or some other mma camps seem to understand.

But you go ahead and continue to believe it is most efficient to be carrying lots of excess fat and be flabby. It doesn't matter that you can win fights with fat and flab that isn't the point. The point is that you will be more competitive and conditioned and athletic.
 
I go more by Height than visible body fat. There's a lot of guys competing in weight classes that aren't supported by their Height and Reach compared to the majority of other in that weight class. THAT's a much bigger problem than how you look with your shirt off. Although the two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Even though he's a HW and it's kinda a given

His name immediately came to mind and it's only because I love him
Such a badass overachiever

Tim big dick Johnson

Looks like he parked his 18 wheeler up to have a go at this 'cage fighting' thing
He's the man

He'll be the next HW champ, I'm calling it now. Stipe fears Timothy Johnson. Fo realz.
 
Some people just maintain a bit of fat even when training super intense and eating healthy. This idea that everyones optimal condition is when they have abs and 10% bodyfat is crazy.

Didn't you get the memo? That's what every Sherdogger looks like. Posting here is only what we do in between working out and banging supermodels on the four poster bed in our mansions.
 
You are 100% correct but all the skinny fat guys and couch potatoes and hardcore mma nuts who want to believe mma fighters are the most conditioned athletes will disagree.

Jon Jones
Anderson Silva
GSP
Conor mcgregor
TJ dillishaw
Mighty mouse
Tyrone Woodley

all were at optimum weight and lean body mass conditioning. Maybe Anderson at MW at different times could of used a higher LBM. However the point still stands.

What should happen is eliminate weight cutting. Bring up each division max weight by 10 to 15lbs and 20 lbs for higher division.


FLW: 125lb to 135lb

BW: 135lb to 145lbs

FW: 145lb to 155lbs

LW: 155lb to 170

WW: 170 to 185lbs

MW: 186lbs to 205 lbs

LHW: 205lbs to 230lbs

HW: 230lbs to 275lbs


^^^ that is more less what the California athletic commission decided going forward. I'd personally though lower the FLW division by 5lbs.


But yeah I agree with all you said. It is proven scientifically and medically that it isn't optimum or efficient for the body to carry such excess fat or weight. Dolce and many others are correct when they say fighters who carry excess flab and fat would perform more optimally if they increased their lean body mass and reduced the amount of visceral and subcutaneous fat.


Only Heavyweights like Overeem, Ngannou, JDS, Brock Lesnar even off da juice, Carwin, Kongo, Big Foot Silva, Rothwell, Derrick Lewis are going to be +240lbs at a leaner mass.


Derrick Lewis is a naturally very large guy I am sure he could lose 40lbs of fat but even if he did he would still be 240lbs. How much fat does Lewis have in him? Perhaps 70lbs? I couldn't imagine him lower than LHW size. Where as a guy like Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson could easily fight at LHW and even MW if they lost all their fat. Hunt is quite unathletic by the way this was proven in so many of his fights when put on the ground or against Brock.


Cain is very flabby look at him and JDS. JDS looks like he has 20 lbs or more of lean body mass on Cain.


Other guys like Travis Browne are just too skinny fat. Browne is like 6'6 and yet a pretty flabby 230lbs.


Prime Fedor was a thick 235lb but had easily some 20 lbs of fat on him. Prime Fedor could of been easily a muscular 215lb or 220lb LHW. Or a large MW weighing 205lbs and absolutely shredded.



Carlos Condit doesn't lift enough or properly he is one of the weakest WW. Hence why he always gets out muscled and destroyed by guys with a higher Lean body mass. If Condit had a higher LBM and the same amount of muscle mass as the other shorter WW he would be a MW and unable to make WW.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Romero is shorter than Condit and lifts a lot and is likely on da celltech.

NO, YOU have no idea what you're talking about. Saying mark hunt could be fighting at LHW or mw...fucking idiot LOL
 
NO, YOU have no idea what you're talking about. Saying mark hunt could be fighting at LHW or mw...fucking idiot LOL

The guy is 275lbs and carrying easily 50lbs of fat.

Or do you think he is all muscle? You are the fool. Completely delusional if you cannot see that he is very overweight.
 
Cormier isn't the best HW ever or close to it. He left HW before he could face the elite cream of crop.

And I'd argue Fedor would of had as much success at 225lbs and leaner than he was being 235lbs.

Cain isn't the best HW or close to it. Dude barely fights and has beaten Big foot, JDS and Browne in the past 7 years. Wow!!

Is Stipe fat? No. I'd argue Stipe is better conditioned and a better fight than Cain.



Fedor won on talent in truth he is a natural LHW or could of been a shredded large MW.
No not at all, he left HW because Cain is his best friend and they made a agreement he will go to LHW. Cormier is undefeated HW and HW champ of strikeforce. he would give Stipe a whooping
 
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