Media [Fight video Added] This biggest muay thai upset of all time? Happened this week?

[JustOnce]

I don't follow the muay thai scene, but apparently the p4p muay thai best king rn, khunsuklek, lost to a guy who is just fighting his second ever muay thai fight, Ryuki Matsuda, who is an undefeated kickboxing fighter himself.



Thoughts?

 

[JustOnce]

Not to mention apparently, Matsuda guy is just 18 years old.

 

[Monte Moku]

Could be an upset, or it could be a highlight in a great career. Just depends on how Matsuda continues to perform

 

[BoxerMaurits]

 

[SuperLuigi]

He was actually a Jr MT champion as a kid. In Japan K-1 has a ruleset very different from MT but most orgs with allow more clinching and some are just MT without the sarama. So Japanese kids growing up kickboxing will be exposed to this whole gradient of rulesets and thats one of the reasons they are the best of all the non-Thais in MT.

A very similar huge upset like this happened recently when Ogasawara beat Ronachai.

 

[Vaio]

Great win

 

[KID Yamamoto]

He was actually a Jr MT champion as a kid. In Japan K-1 has a ruleset very different from MT but most orgs with allow more clinching and some are just MT without the sarama. So Japanese kids growing up kickboxing will be exposed to this whole gradient of rulesets and thats one of the reasons they are the best of all the non-Thais in MT.

A very similar huge upset like this happened recently when Ogasawara beat Ronachai.

Yeah Matsuda is a pretty major prospect all things considered. This is a crazy upset but the kid is legit.

 

[PrideNverDies]

Thanks for posting I'll keep an eye on him

 

[CaptainRomania]

Like SuperlUgii say, this Ryukiguy did muay thai rules before. He had few pro fights but he had man many amateur fights. If we are honest Ryuki amoutn of experienc e not thaaaat far from Khunsueklek. On paper he looks like easy matchup (I bet RWS thought that too) becauwse only 11-0, but in reality not so.
That being said, some shit talking is in order.

Anyone remember those classic Sherdog posts where ey said ANY top 100 muay thai fighter could beat p4p best in kickboxing? I wish tose old posters were still here so we could see thekr heads fuckin explode LOL

Ok ok on a serious note I would say Panpayak vs Henrique Muller remains the biggest upset.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Like SuperlUgii say, this Ryukiguy did muay thai rules before. He had few pro fights but he had man many amateur fights. If we are honest Ryuki amoutn of experienc e not thaaaat far from Khunsueklek. On paper he looks like easy matchup (I bet RWS thought that too) becauwse only 11-0, but in reality not so.
That being said, some shit talking is in order.

Anyone remember those classic Sherdog posts where ey said ANY top 100 muay thai fighter could beat p4p best in kickboxing? I wish tose old posters were still here so we could see thekr heads fuckin explode LOL

Ok ok on a serious note I would say Panpayak vs Henrique Muller remains the biggest upset.

To be fair the "top 100" rhetoric while hyperbolic did kinda make sense at the time, you had past their prime fringe top 10 guys like Gonnapar go to K-1 and beat the best guys. Though even back then Japan had good nak muays like Umeno and Kaito. The Muller win was in MMA gloves so not as big of an upset as Matsuda's imo.

 

[ryun253]

Not to mention apparently, Matsuda guy is just 18 years old.

We shall see how both of their careers turn out, not the biggest Khunsek is only 19,

 

[CaptainRomania]

To be fair the "top 100" rhetoric while hyperbolic did kinda made sense at the time, you had past their prime fringe top 10 guys like Gonnapar go to K-1 and beat the best guys. Though even back then Japan had good nak muays like Umeno and Kaito. The Muller win was in MMA gloves so not as big of an upset as Matsuda's imo.

Yes that makese sense I just wish those guys were still posting so I could rub it in their faces.

Truth be htold te gonnapar weight class and 65 kg are worse today compared to then

 

[RJJFan]

The next Tenshin

 

[IanEdwards]

TBH and not trying to be clever after the event, looking at Khunsueklek's style i always wondered if a very good punch-heavy fighter would be his nemesis (haven't seen this one yet tho) just in the sense that he hardly ever throws any punches himself. yes his management of distance from what I have seen is superb, but I had to wonder what a dude could get done if he managed to get to mid-close range for a spell to throw some combinations.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

To be fair the "top 100" rhetoric while hyperbolic did kinda make sense at the time, you had past their prime fringe top 10 guys like Gonnapar go to K-1 and beat the best guys. Though even back then Japan had good nak muays like Umeno and Kaito. The Muller win was in MMA gloves so not as big of an upset as Matsuda's imo.

It only made sense because people were more ignorant back then. It never really made sense.

People still have this mind set even today, that any jabroni Thai will beat a farang, even though that hasn't been the case for a very long time.

 

[JustOnce]

Linked the second round video taken from an audience member to the thread.

 

[CaptainRomania]

TBH and not trying to be clever after the event, looking at Khunsueklek's style i always wondered if a very good punch-heavy fighter would be his nemesis (haven't seen this one yet tho) just in the sense that he hardly ever throws any punches himself. yes his management of distance from what I have seen is superb, but I had to wonder what a dude could get done if he managed to get to mid-close range for a spell to throw some combinations.

Kumandoi tried that

 

[GolovKing]

Without the KO I bet the judges would have scored that round for the Thai as well. That's the problem with Muay thai. They don't put enough value in punches even though it's the most dangerous weapon on the human body. And because of that a lot of thais don't develop their hands or their defense to punches well. And fans stay ignorant not realizing how big of a hole that is in their game

 

[SuperLuigi]

Without the KO I bet the judges would have scored that round for the Thai as well. That's the problem with Muay thai. They don't put enough value in punches even though it's the most dangerous weapon on the human body. And because of that a lot of thais don't develop their hands or their defense to punches well. And fans stay ignorant not realizing how big of a hole that is in their game

Many MT promotions use entertainment scoring which score punches the highest. Even the traditional scoring will reward punches if they throw clean impactful punches as can be seen in the wins of Dani Rodriguez. They just dont reward guys who throw flurries of punches where you cant tell how effective the shots are because it creates controversial decisions.

 

[GolovKing]

Many MT promotions use entertainment scoring which score punches the highest. Even the traditional scoring will reward punches if they throw clean impactful punches as can be seen in the wins of Dani Rodriguez. They just dont reward guys who throw flurries of punches where you cant tell how effective the shots are because it creates controversial decisions.

They reward weak tired kicks just for making contact though? And kicks that are blocked as though it's significant damage even though only a small number of fighters are powerful enough to kick through someone's guard or brake an arm