Crime Ferris Mueller's Election Off (Mueller thread v. 24)

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Corruption is quid-pro-quo type action. I think even you would agree there wasn't anything like that happening between Trump and Putin. For that to have been Russia had to deliver a bombshell on Clinton, but it never came. The only bombshell that there ever was resulted in Clinton's own doing and her right-hand gal I forget her name.

We don't know, as the investigation has not leaked......
 
We don't know, as the investigation has not leaked......

Fair enough.
And if there was, I would have no huge issue of Trump being impeached(and public wouldn't either), but the evidence would have to be overwhelming and not based on hearsay of someone legally compromised. Basically, a whistleblower vs. indicted co-conspirator.
 
So what did i miss? I just read on fox that trump was declared totally vindicated of wrong doing?
The Special Counsels Office alleges that then-candidate Donald Trump ordered Michael Cohen to make illegal payments to women that were in violation of campaign finance law.
 
Imagine having confidence in someone who can't tell the truth.

"I'm a liar, don't doubt my sincerity."

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It trump were a democrat the incel deplorables in here would be pulling out their hair lol.
 
Obama is a Harvard trained law Professor lol. Trump has no law degree. Cohen is an unreliable witness. Trump will not be punished for anything and that’s just reality.

When you ask someone what their profession is and they reply "an engineer". If you know anything about that profession it encompasses a wide range of fields. Same applies to lawyers.

Its not wise to say Trump wont be charged with multiple felonies. For we dont know if Cohen informed him of the actions illegality. Also keep in mind that Cohen taped his interactions with clients.
 
When you ask someone what their profession is and they reply "an engineer". If you know anything about that profession it encompasses a wide range of fields. Same applies to lawyers.

Its not wise to say Trump wont be charged with multiple felonies. For we dont know if Cohen informed him of the actions illegality. Also keep in mind that Cohen taped his interactions with clients.

If Cohen wants to save himself (and let's be real here, "Daddy" won't lift a FINGER to help him), he had better cooperate FULLY with the investigation and hold NOTHING back.
 
It trump were a democrat the incel deplorables in here would be pulling out their hair lol.

What is "incel"? I've seen this thrown around few times here.

I get the deplorables reference.
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EDIT: NVM. Looked it up. Advanced apologies for offtopic.
Internet comes up with weird names and memes. Kind of a foolish insult. Incel would apply to a great deal of men in general online or offline. What do you call "voluntarily celibate"? "vucels" "vcells" volucells". After I picked up what I'm pretty sure was mononucleosis from this girl 6 months ago I have been dreading putting my tongue in wet places of random chicks I meet. I had no energy for 2 months, headaches, and lymph nodes on my throat were pretty sizeable.Got so paranoid that went to get tested, even though rubbers always. Negative on all fronts. But with mono thing is contagious for good period of 3-4 months, so I couldn't morally allow myself to date anyone. And now I'm just not ready to get back to random dating.
 
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(Hope this can act as a one stop shop for all things Collusion and be an iterative thread where i add to the OP as things are presented. I hope the mod's leave this as its own thread and not just lumped into the general Mueller one as this issue certainly stands alone as a topic and it can be buried in the greated thread and thus not discussed properly)

The case for Collusion


Definition of collusion

: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose


Who are the actors?


Trump/Trump Associates/Trump Campaign (Trump)

Russia/Putin/Oligarchs (Russians)

VTB Russia State Bank (VTB)


What does Trump gain or want :

- To further his private business interests, in particular but not solely, The Trump Moscow Hotel.

- To become the POTUS, sabotage Hilary’s campaign

Trump wants amongst other things Moscow show piece hotel and needs financing and has a history with shady Russian backers and also deep ties to MOB money.


Trump admits he was pursuing his private interests. Thought he might not win the election (admits that) and there is nothing wrong with pursuing private interests, true. BUT you must announce that to the voting public. That you are a business man pursuing the POUTS and also these private interests and if you win the POTUS you will then put aside the private interests.


Instead Trump lied all through the campaign saying he had no dealings in Russia or business in Russia a position he later refutes himself after Cohen’s testimony was released.


What did Russia and Putin and Associates want :

- Cancellation of Magnitsky Act

- Lifting of sanctions

- Weakening, destabilization of the USA and of Nato and western alliances

- Re-admittance of Russia into the G8


So how might the Russians offer “synergies” with the Trump Campaign so they both get what they want?


Russia : Quid Pro Quo : Tell Trump that his much desired Trump Moscow hotel has the financing ready but this money will come from Investors thru State Sanctioned Russian bank VTB, and as long as the sanctions are in place them obviously the money cannot be forwarded. A strong incentive for Trump to want to remove the sanctions and get the money.


Russia: Quid Pro Quo : : Trump, you asked for the email dirt on Hilary. You got it as the SAME DAY Trump asks them to hack, Russia does indeed go in and try to hack.


Trump : Quid Pro Quo : Tries to ensure cancellation of Magnitsky act and new sanctions on Russia, but Congress, with bipartisan support overwhelmingly blocks him with a Veto proof 419 votes in favour and only 3 against.

Trump : Quid Pro Quo : Unlike any prior President after assuming the office he does not first meet with key considered traditional Allies and immediately starts to diminish and destabilize Allies and Nato and other alliances and pacts, while talking positive about Russia and Saudi and other historically troubled relationships.


What does Russia hold over Trump:


- Lies on the campaign trail and after that he had no dealings with Russia when they knew he did and that such a lie could destroy his presidency and potentially result in jail time for him

- Flynn on behalf of Trump campaign instructing Russia to ignore or not react to Obama gov’t sanctions as Trump would soon be in and they would cancel them thus breaking the Logan Act. A law that is tough to use but could be used more easily for BlackMail.




Extras


Trump Moscow tower to potentially receive Hundreds of Millions of dollars from Russians to Trump Org directly Mueller campaign claims direct evidence for.


Trump properties for decades or more may have been acting as a money laundering scheme for Russian Oligarchs, and others and all sorts of shady money, who would over pay for Suites and then get a quid pro quo cash payment returning them the surplus. This is one of the key things being pursued by the New York State Attorney and the IRS.

Trump Tower meeting between Russian Lawyer and Nationals
Source your shit post copy and paste
 
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...t-to-know-remember-key-details-in-russia-case

Comey's testimony and behavior is beyond unacceptable. He shouldn't give interviews any more. His, McCabe's and Rosenstein's effort to charge Trump can basically be seen as subversion of power. Very shady. Combine that with Rosenstein's comments, off the cuff or in a joke, and you have a pretty damning picture.

But Trump has no one to blame but himself for keeping these hacks in place. He thought he could tread status quo and Bush's pets, but he though wrong. He really has been horrible at putting loyal and/or capable people on the job.
 
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