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Crime Ferris Mueller's Election Off (Mueller thread v. 24)

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I know he didn't do it to actually bring these people to trial, zero chance of that. Instead of agreeing with me that I made a good point, you do this "you don't know and I don't know" thing. I can with 100% accuracy guarantee you 13 Russians Mueller indicted will never see US soil or courtroom. And I gave you legal opinions and case law citations.

You and some posters on here are defending Mueller like he's your pops. Sigh I never even brought up Trump. Everyone who isn't blowing Mueller is a "Russian, non US native" or "Trump sycophant". So juvenile, it rivals YouTube discussions.

What piece of information do you have that tells you beyond the shadow of a doubt as to why Russian agents were charged?

I recognize you as a clear Trump sycophantic whore because you oddities are the only ones smearing Mueller and loading your diapers.
 

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I don't get this one

He was recently the global chairman for cybersecurity but he doesn't understand how he accidentally hot linked a website in his tweet.... a website that somebody bought right after they saw his tweet and uploaded an anti trump message too.... and than Rudy accused Twitter of allowing people to manipulate his tweet (the hotlink).
 
He was recently the global chairman for cybersecurity but he doesn't understand how he accidentally hot linked a website in his tweet.... a website that somebody bought right after they saw his tweet and uploaded an anti trump message too.... and than Rudy accused Twitter of allowing people to manipulate his tweet (the hotlink).
Thought it might be that, but also thought I might be missing even more derp. Oh, Rudy.
 
Is this it for Trump? I do like the cheerleading though
 
Which Trump?
Good point I’ll say the politician one since it’s about Russia and collusion. If he (DJT) legitimately promised Russia in exchange for help he deserves impeachment. If he had business dealing there and got intel about Hillary legally, the same way Clinton got intel from Ukraine or any other place and all we have is people stories not matching up to the Muller team than this has been a waste of money and time it’s almost 2 years. I just hope the next election isn’t this dirty on both sides. I’m tired of the polarization on both sides and I respect
Democrats that meet in the middle more than polarized right wing nuts.
 
What piece of information do you have that tells you beyond the shadow of a doubt as to why Russian agents were charged?

I recognize you as a clear Trump sycophantic whore because you oddities are the only ones smearing Mueller and loading your diapers.

That's not what we were discussing. Their charges are well outlined and relate to "meddling with election". I said there is no purpose to charging someone who won't stand trial unless it's a publicity stunt.

You're rage and rabidness are misdirected. Not everyone who doesn't suck Bob is a blind Trump supporter. Your misguided anger reminds me of this:

 
Good point I’ll say the politician one since it’s about Russia and collusion. If he (DJT) legitimately promised Russia in exchange for help he deserves impeachment. If he had business dealing there and got intel about Hillary legally, the same way Clinton got intel from Ukraine or any other place and all we have is people stories not matching up to the Muller team than this has been a waste of money and time it’s almost 2 years. I just hope the next election isn’t this dirty on both sides. I’m tired of the polarization on both sides and I respect
Democrats that meet in the middle more than polarized right wing nuts.

I think you're in for a rough landing
 
That's not what we were discussing. Their charges are well outlined and relate to "meddling with election". I said there is no purpose to charging someone who won't stand trial unless it's a publicity stunt.

You're rage and rabidness are misdirected. Not everyone who doesn't suck Bob is a blind Trump supporter. Your misguided anger reminds me of this:



Rage and rabidness? haha. You guys have the best words, the best words, believe me. I guess I should listen to your sound legal opinions, and admit Mueller is a can because of your knowledge, expertise and experience in prosecution and being head of an intelligence agency.
 
Rage and rabidness? haha. You guys have the best words, the best words, believe me. I guess I should listen to your sound legal opinions, and admit Mueller is a can because of your knowledge, expertise and experience in prosecution and being head of an intelligence agency.

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I'm sorry hardcore Trump supporters drove you mad in your personal life or on here, but not everyone who disagrees with you is one. Good day to you, sir.
 
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Anyone remember when Flynn was a serious contender for VP? I remember his name being thrown around here.
 
Timeline of events regarding Flynn:
April 2014 — Flynn is fired as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency ("abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." per Colin Powell).

Oct. 2014 — Flynn founds Flynn Intel Group. In a letter from the DIA, Flynn is warned that he is prohibited from receiving "consulting fees, gifts, travel expenses, honoraria, or salary ... from a foreign government unless congressional consent is first obtained".

Summer 2015 — Flynn is paid by ACU Strategic Partners to travel to the Middle East to promote a trillion-dollar Saudi-financed U.S.–Russian business to develop nuclear power capabilities in the Arab world. Flynn does not disclose this trip when applying for his security clearance renewal in Jan. 2016

Late Summer 2015 — Flynn begins advising the Trump campaign.

Aug. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from Volga-Dnepr Airlines, a Russian airfreight company that the U.N. had suspended from its list of approved vendors after a corruption scandal involving an indicted Russian U.N. official.

Oct. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from a subsidiary Kaspersky Lab. Ruslan Stoyanov, head of Kaspersky's computer incidents investigation unit is arrested in Russia, for treason, in December 2016.

Flynn travels to Saudi Arabia to again promote the Saudi/Russian nuclear project. He fails to disclose the nature of the travel and reports a fictional hotel name as his residence during the trip.

Dec. 2 — Flynn and his son meet with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his Washington, D.C. residence. In a subsequent email to the Russian embassy, Flynn’s son described the meeting as “very productive”. The meeting came to light publicly only in April 2018.

Dec. 10 — Seated directly at Vladimir Putin's right hand, Flynn appears in Moscow at a gala hosted by Russia Today (RT). RT pays Flynn $45,000 for his participation and provides airfare, accommodations and other expenses for Flynn and his son.

U.S. intelligence notices an uptick in communication between Flynn and Kislyak shortly after.

Feb. 2016 — Flynn increases his role with the Trump campaign and is later vetted as a possible VP pick.

Feb. 11 — While applying for renewal of his security clearance, Flynn tells Pentagon investigators that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals.

May 2016 — Flynn joins the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a secretive cyberweapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. NSO's spyware is subsequently found to have been used to attack and surveil prominent journalists and human rights activists.

July 18 — Flynn leads crowds at the Republican National Convention in chants of "Lock her up!", saying "if I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today!".

Aug. 9 — Flynn signs a contract with Inovo, a firm owned by Ekim Alptekin, a close ally and appointee of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Flynn is assigned to run an influence campaign to discredit Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric who lives in Pennsylvania and was blamed by Erdogan for a failed coup.

Summer 2016 — Flynn Intel begins work on a pro-Turkey documentary, hiring professionals to shoot it, misleading them about the intentions of the project and working to conceal its role in producing the film.

Aug. 17 — Flynn begins attending classified intelligence briefings with candidate Trump.

Sept. 3 — Flynn and associates begin reaching out to Russian hackers in an attempt to obtain Clinton's personal e-mails and transmit them to Flynn through an intermediary.

Sept. 19 — Flynn meets with Turkey's ministers of foreign affairs and energy, Erdogan's son-in-law, and other officials at an undisclosed New York hotel, in a meeting arranged by Alptekin. Among other topics, Flynn discusses a plan for "a covert step in the dead of night to whisk [Gulen] away" without going through the legal extradition process.

Sept. 20 — Flynn, his son and business partners meet with Dana Rohrabacher, a U.S. congressman best known as a staunch advocate of pro-Russia policies.

Nov. 8 — Election day. Flynn publishes a lengthy op-ed entitled "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support". He states that "we need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective" and brands Gulen as "a radical Islamist". Flynn does not disclose to the publisher that he was being paid by Alptekin.

Nov. 10 — Obama, in a face-to-face conversation with Trump, warns against hiring Flynn to be part of Trump's national security team.

Nov. 11 — Media reports expose Flynn's contract with Alptekin to lobby on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 14 — Flynn receives the final installment of $530,000 from Alptekin.

Nov. 18 — Flynn accepts Trump's offer of the position of National Security Advisor. Pence receives a letter from Rep. Cummings notifying him of Flynn's work on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 30 — The Justice Department notifies Flynn that it is scrutinizing his work lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.

Nov./Dec. 2016 — Flynn meets with Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache at Trump Tower. Strache announces weeks later that his party has signed a cooperation agreement with Vladimir Putin's ruling party.

Dec. 1 — Flynn meets with Russian ambassador Kislyak and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner at Trump Tower. The men discuss the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities to shield their discussions from monitoring.

Mid-Dec. — Flynn meets with the Turkish government to discuss an offer to pay him and his son as much as $15 million to kidnap Gulen and deliver him to a Turkish prison island.

Dec. 22 — Flynn secretly asks Kislyak for Russia's help to delay or defeat a pending UN Security Council resolution.

Dec. 29 — Flynn secretly discusses relief from U.S. sanctions with Kislyak on the same day the Obama administration announces its response to Russian interference in the campaign.

Jan. 4 — Flynn tells Trump’s transition team that he is under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign.

Jan. 6 (approx.) — The FBI begins investigating Flynn's late December phone conversations with Kislyak.

Jan. 12 — Conforming to the wishes of Turkey, Flynn instructs the Obama administration to hold off on a military operation to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces.

Jan. 18 — Flynn attends a “working breakfast” with the Foreign Minister of Turkey and others, including Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Jan. 20 — Trump is inaugurated. Flynn becomes National Security Advisor.

Eleven minutes into the Trump presidency, Flynn texts ACU managing partner Alex Copson that the Russian nuclear plan is "good to go" and "to put things in place". Copson tells associates that Flynn would ensure that sanctions against Russia are "ripped up" and that "this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people".

Jan. 22 — The WSJ reports that Flynn is under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents regarding his communications with Russian officials.

Jan. 24 — The FBI interviews Flynn regarding his Russian contacts.

Jan. 26 — Acting Attorney General Sally Yates informs the White House that Flynn misled the FBI in his interview, that the DOJ knew that Flynn’s public accounts were untrue, and expressed concerns that he was vulnerable to blackmail by Russian intelligence.

Jan. 30 — Trump fires Yates.

Feb. 13 — Flynn is forced out of his role as NSA after The Washington Post reports on Yates's warning to the Trump White House.

Feb. 14 — In a private conversation with FBI director Comey, Trump asks Comey to end any investigation into Flynn, stating “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

March 7 — Flynn files paperwork acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent representing the interests of the Turkish government.

March 22 — Trump asks Director of National Intelligence Coats to intervene with Comey to get the FBI to back off its focus on Flynn.

March 30 — Flynn tells the FBI and congressional officials that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution, with his lawyer stating that “General Flynn has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit”.

April 25 — Flynn tells associates, “I just got a message from the president to stay strong”.

April/May — Federal prosecutors issue grand jury subpoenas to Flynn associates seeking “records, research, contracts, bank records, communications” relating to Flynn and Alptekin.

May 9 — Trump fires Comey.

May 22 — A House committee reveals that Flynn lied to Pentagon investigators about the source of money he received from RT when applying for security clearance in 2016.

Flynn announces that he will not cooperate with a subpoena requiring him to hand over documents related to his dealings with Russians.

June 2 — Special Counsel Mueller assumes control of a grand jury investigation into Flynn.

August — Flynn files paperwork disclosing payments from SCL Group, a Virginia-based company related to Cambridge Analytica.

Dec. 1 — Flynn pleads guilty to willfully and knowingly lying to the FBI about his December 2016 conversations with Kislyak.

Dec. 4, 2018 — Mueller cites Flynn's "substantial" assistance with several criminal investigations when he recommends a sentence includes little to no jail time.

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