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Crime Ferris Mueller's Election Off (Mueller thread v. 24)

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Flynn sentencing memo to be dropped today .My guess is it relates to Manafort . Hope I'm wrong and it's higher up the chain but gut tells me it further implicates Manafort
 
Diamond Jim said:


Nothing to hide.
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Interesting.

The fifth amendment usually isn't a defense against doc production, so I'm not sure what his attorneys are thinking.

They're citing Hubbell, but that recognized a small exception where the act of producing the documents is itself testimonial in nature.
 
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Quipling said:
Interesting.

The fifth amendment usually isn't a defense against doc production, so I'm not sure what his attorneys are thinking.
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It’s only the Senate, I am not sure he cares at all to be called in contempt. Mueller is another story.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
The Special Counsel appointed to investigate Russian Interference was investigating Russians.... how dubious lol
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Indicting Russians by name over an online hacking. Can you imagine how tangential and difficult to prove it would be who sat behind the computer and was under that particular IP.

That is IF you are able to overlook the fact that he's charging some random Russians with crime who will never see US soil or any courtroom in their lifetime. It's a pointless PR move with no ability to prove his case because people he's charging will never show up to trial. Why not charge Putin and the Russian Minister of Defense? I'm sure they would have to be the one giving orders to those twelve Russians.

This is the most bizarre and retarded thing Mueller has done in this investigation. Let him indict Stalin for war crimes while he's at it.
 
grizzard2bid said:
Indicting Russians by name over an online hacking. Can you imagine how tangential and difficult to prove it would be who sat behind the computer and was under that particular IP.

That is IF you are able to overlook the fact that he's charging some random Russians with crime who will never see US soil or any courtroom in their lifetime. It's a pointless PR move with no ability to prove his case because people he's charging will never show up to trial. Why not charge Putin and the Russian Minister of Defense? I'm sure they would have to be the one giving orders to those twelve Russians.

This is the most bizarre and retarded thing Mueller has done in this investigation. Let him indict Stalin for war crimes while he's at it.
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I am quite glad you are not a graduate of any reputable law program from any school whatsoever. Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna go call Alex Rodriguez a can for playing on the Texas Rangers, a shit team, for all that money....
 
hillelslovak87 said:
I am quite glad you are not a graduate of any reputable law program from any school whatsoever. Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna go call Alex Rodriguez a can for playing on the Texas Rangers, a shit team, for all that money....
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What's the issue you found what what I said? The guy is indicting anonymous people by name who will never see trial. It's a PR move.
 
Apparently there is a Flynn update between now and 11:59pm eastern.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
And you are certain of this how, with your extensive legal acumen?
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Certain of what? Are you saying that anyone discussing Mueller investigation has to have passed a bar exam? C'mon.

Here you go, buddy:

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/21/17031774/mueller-indictments-russia-trump

Ric Simmons, law professor, Ohio State University
These indictments say nothing about intentional collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the election. They do not implicate nor exonerate anyone in the Trump campaign. They merely allege that Russian nationals interfered with the 2016 presidential election, a fact that was already well known.

The Russian nationals who are named in the indictments are unlikely to ever face trial in the United States, but if they did, it appears from the indictments that the special counsel has ample evidence to convict them of the conspiracy charges. To win a conspiracy case, a prosecutor need only prove that the defendants agreed to commit an illegal act and took at least one overt act to further that agreement. The indictments detail multiple agreements to defraud the United States and commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and multiple overt acts to further those plans.

Regarding any Americans referenced in this particular charging document, ignorance would be a complete defense for the Trump campaign workers who unwittingly got help from Russian agents. But the indictments only describe interactions between Russian agents and relatively low-level campaign workers.

These low-level workers are not charged in the indictments, and they are unlikely to ever be charged. The indictments simply do not address the question of whether anyone in the highest levels of the Trump campaign knowingly worked with the Russian agents to interfere with the election. To learn what (if anything) the special counsel will allege regarding such collusion, we will simply have to wait.
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Diane Marie Amann, law professor, University of Georgia
The allegations in the indictment against the Russian citizens and companies support many prior news reports about the extent and sophistication of interference in the 2016 election. But that may not be the most significant aspect of Friday’s news.

Especially intriguing are these words: “and their co-conspirators.” The words are repeated in all counts, in reference after reference to the named defendants. That repetition signals that this indictment presents only half a picture. Yet to come is the mirror image — the identification of and charges against co-conspirators.

Like the already-named defendants, those co-conspirators will be charged with knowledge of alleged crimes, unlike the “unwitting” persons whom this indictment says they exploited. And while resistance to international extradition may shield indicted Russians from US prosecution, it seems likely that some of the alleged co-conspirators will be Americans, fully subject to trial in the United States.
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Yeah, there is no current valid extradition treaty between Russia and US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-would-u-s-put-indicted-russians-trial-n891581

Even if the treaty was still in force, the language provides that the United States or Russia "shall not be required to deliver up their own citizens or subjects." In addition, the enumerated extraditable crimes in 1893 didn't really contemplate the offenses in the indictment of 12 Russian officials issued last week by special counsel Robert Mueller, such as aggravated identity theft. The treaty's extraditable crimes list did include abortion, piracy and destruction of railroads.

And finally, if extradition was sought for an "offence of a political character, surrender shall not take place" under the treaty. While hacking isn't really a political crime, Russia might say the counts in the indictment are just cosmetically enhanced political offenses, particularly since the Russians were attempting to disrupt the 2016 presidential election in the U.S.
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Quipling said:
Serious ESL vibes from this sentence.
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