Crime Ferris Mueller's Election Off (Mueller thread v. 24)

[Neph]

So they do some mental gymnastics, I'm pretty sure it's subconsciously, to reach to the brilliant conclusion that Mueller is a bum. It feels a lot less threatening to look at him that way, I'm sure.

This works equally for both parties - people have so much invested into a representative that they blindly and feverishly defend (or attack) as if it were somehow themselves.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Hmm, I thought the guys who made RICO a law in order to prosecute organized crime in 1970 kind of pioneered the RICO approach to mob prosecutions.

Anyways, this is silly. There was a reason why Mueller's appointment was celebrated by both the right and the left: he's one of the very best prosecutors in the history of the United States. The idea that the FBI is flawed if any terrorist attacks occur, even if they prevented exponentially more, is also silly.

If you're the head of the FBI, and something goes down, even a month after your tenure starts, not only is it not the fault of a much larger framework of agencies and individuals, it's your fault.

I think he sees the heads of the FBI or similar agencies as Supermen who require nothing but their gut feeling to take out terrorists overseas or in the USA.

 

[tonni]

This works equally for both parties - people have so much invested into a representative that they blindly and feverishly defend (or attack) as if it were somehow themselves.

Everyone does it.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Everyone does it.

I beg to differ

 

[tonni]

I beg to differ

 

[hillelslovak87]

Samuel Adams, a Brewer and a Patriot, the first two sport athlete.

 

[grizzard2bid]

No, he was an effective Head of The FBI, no matter the failings you place on him completely, end of story

I look forward to your reasoning behind that claim.

If you're the head of the FBI, and something goes down, even a month after your tenure starts, not only is it not the fault of a much larger framework of agencies and individuals, it's your fault.

I think he sees the heads of the FBI or similar agencies as Supermen who require nothing but their gut feeling to take out terrorists overseas or in the USA.

And here you say he was simply a suit with no powers.
When several preventable terrorist attacks go down on your watch, someone in the FBI needs to take a little askicking. It amazes me how Mueller was shielded from it. If we don't put any blame on him as if he's some secretary in an office, that would mean he had a strictly bureaucratic position that carried little to no weight in the FBI. You can't have it both ways. Either he was an empty bureaucrat or he was an ineffective FBI director.

 

[tonni]

Samuel Adams, a Brewer and a Patriot, the first two sport athlete.

I'm not very good with US sports that are not MMA.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I look forward to your reasoning behind that claim.



And here you say he was simply a suit with no powers.
When several preventable terrorist attacks go down on your watch, someone in the FBI needs to take a little askicking. It amazes me how Mueller was shielded from it. If we don't put any blame on him as if he's some secretary in an office, that would mean he had a strictly bureaucratic position that carried little to no weight in the FBI. You can't have it both ways. Either he was an empty bureaucrat or he was an ineffective FBI director.

I don't need to reason his reputation as the Head of the FBI or as a prosecutor. His reputation is sterling, and speaks for itself.

Your assessment is also dead wrong. Robert Mueller is just a man, and a man who had and still has a sterling reputation among the political class and intelligence community. The reasons are clear. You're the one suggesting he's an empty suit, an assessment you share with the wind.

 

[Juventud]

@grizzard2bid just wants Rudy Guliani to get some credit as a top lawyer. He's 100% riding the Trump train.

Rudy was a great prosecutor.
Nobody is denying that. Before he got into politics he was a killer lawyer.

Now he's a psycho nutcase with dementia parroting Trumps lies.

Doesn't change the fact Mueller is respected by everyone except Trumps team of retards and got Trumps personal lawyer to plead guilty.

Checkmate Qanon / @grizzard2bid

 

[xcvbn]

Man this is a good watch. Credico sounds like a madman but he's candid as hell:
-Stone tried to set him up as a backchannel/fall guy
-Stone is a coke/meth addict
-Says Stone lied about everything in his testimony and Mueller knows it
-Jerome Corsi brought up
-Fears that the alt-right will hurt him
-Lot of talk about Assange



Really sounds like this investigation is primarily about Julian Assange. Credico spent a lot of time trying to distance himself from Assange

 

[Ophydian]

If you're the head of the FBI, and something goes down, even a month after your tenure starts, not only is it not the fault of a much larger framework of agencies and individuals, it's your fault.

I think he sees the heads of the FBI or similar agencies as Supermen who require nothing but their gut feeling to take out terrorists overseas or in the USA.

@grizzard2bid
Under his logic and since Bush was President and therefore entrusted with protection of this country, the fault lies with him and not Mueller since you know he was in his position for 2 yrs prior.

Why don’t we blame NSA or CIA while we are at it?

 

[Ophydian]

Man this is a good watch. Credico sounds like a madman but he's candid as hell:
-Stone tried to set him up as a backchannel/fall guy
-Stone is a coke/meth addict
-Says Stone lied about everything in his testimony and Mueller knows it
-Jerome Corsi brought up
-Fears that the alt-right will hurt him
-Lot of talk about Assange



Really sounds like this investigation is primarily about Julian Assange. Credico spent a lot of time trying to distance himself from Assange

The rats are looking for their escape, must mean we are close to a conclusion.

 

[andnowweknow]

I don't need to reason his reputation as the Head of the FBI or as a prosecutor. His reputation is sterling, and speaks for itself.

Your assessment is also dead wrong. Robert Mueller is just a man, and a man who had and still has a sterling reputation among the political class and intelligence community. The reasons are clear. You're the one suggesting he's an empty suit, an assessment you share with the wind.

I know you're not stupid...but you are wishing time arguing with someone who clearly is just trying to defame the guy going after Trump. If it were someone else in charge of the Trump beatdown, the illogical logic used to discredit the individual would be the same.

We're at the point in this saga where the defenses are going to get painfully dumb.

 

[grizzard2bid]

I don't need to reason his reputation as the Head of the FBI or as a prosecutor. His reputation is sterling, and speaks for itself.

Here, I'll help you out. Article well summarizes his failings as a prosecutor and an FBI director, without even placing any blame on him for 9/11 and other missed attacks. Good read.

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670

Mueller was also criticized for his time as head of the FBI. He led the investigation into the deadly anthrax attacks in the years after 9/11 for nearly seven years, ultimately leading in the prosecution of the wrong suspect, who later successfully sued the government for $5.8 million.
After agents successfully traced back the anthrax to an Army microbiologist who committed suicide once he was informed of the impending charges, Mueller “was reluctant to publicly address the missteps” in the case.

Later, as director of the FBI, Mueller instructed his staff to protect him from the agency’s oversight division, according to former colleagues interviewed by the Times.

Most notably, Mueller is charged with scrapping a highly-critical review of his Directorate of Intelligence, a unit that he had created at the FBI to investigate terrorism more effectively.

After an internal inspection reported that Mueller should “set [the unit] on fire and start from scratch,” his top aides decided to protect the director at all costs by hiding the report from the Justice Department’s inspector general.

“It was, ‘The director will get skewered. We've got to protect him, and we can't issue this,’” a former official told the Times. “Anywhere it said ‘inspection,’ they changed it to ‘review.’ And said this was a review, not an inspection, and therefore they didn't have to issue it to … the inspector general.”

Lastly, the Times article delves into Mueller’s unsuccessful attempt at negotiating with Russian officials to turn over Edward Snowden in 2013.

According to a former official, Mueller would call his Russian counterpart, Alexander Bortnikov, “starting at 3 a.m. in Washington” every day for at least a week, “begging to talk to the guy.” Bortnikov reportedly never answered the phone, and Snowden was granted asylum in Russia soon after.

Through a spokesperson, Mueller declined to comment on the Times' article.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Here, I'll help you out. Article well summarizes his failings as a prosecutor and an FBI director, without even placing any blame on him for 9/11 and other missed attacks. Good read.

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670

Mueller was also criticized for his time as head of the FBI. He led the investigation into the deadly anthrax attacks in the years after 9/11 for nearly seven years, ultimately leading in the prosecution of the wrong suspect, who later successfully sued the government for $5.8 million.
After agents successfully traced back the anthrax to an Army microbiologist who committed suicide once he was informed of the impending charges, Mueller “was reluctant to publicly address the missteps” in the case.

Later, as director of the FBI, Mueller instructed his staff to protect him from the agency’s oversight division, according to former colleagues interviewed by the Times.

Most notably, Mueller is charged with scrapping a highly-critical review of his Directorate of Intelligence, a unit that he had created at the FBI to investigate terrorism more effectively.

After an internal inspection reported that Mueller should “set [the unit] on fire and start from scratch,” his top aides decided to protect the director at all costs by hiding the report from the Justice Department’s inspector general.

“It was, ‘The director will get skewered. We've got to protect him, and we can't issue this,’” a former official told the Times. “Anywhere it said ‘inspection,’ they changed it to ‘review.’ And said this was a review, not an inspection, and therefore they didn't have to issue it to … the inspector general.”

Lastly, the Times article delves into Mueller’s unsuccessful attempt at negotiating with Russian officials to turn over Edward Snowden in 2013.

According to a former official, Mueller would call his Russian counterpart, Alexander Bortnikov, “starting at 3 a.m. in Washington” every day for at least a week, “begging to talk to the guy.” Bortnikov reportedly never answered the phone, and Snowden was granted asylum in Russia soon after.

Through a spokesperson, Mueller declined to comment on the Times' article.

Congratulations, you found some impropriety. Now stack these cases up against his successes, and let us see your tally. I don't think it would go the way you think it would. Also, if he is such a can as you say, why does he have such a sterling reputation in the political AND legal communities? It seems absurd that this would be from his administrative skills, and not his achievements, which go back decades.

But hey, it's not like there was a reason the Republican appointed attorney general placed him on the case investigating the president for his skills, right?

 

[nixkid]

He became director a month before 9/11. I fail to see how this is his fault. Also, if he is a mere bureaucrat, please explain his long list of successful prosecutions, people like Noriega and John Gotti.....

Not even a month. According to wikipedia, he became the FBI director on Sept 4th, 2001.....literally a week before 9/11.

 

[7437]

Not even a month. According to wikipedia, he became the FBI director on Sept 4th, 2001.....literally a week before 9/11.

But why didnt he use his magic powers to stop 9/11? Checkmate npc/cuck/TDS/liberals.

 

[hillelslovak87]

But why didnt he use his magic powers to stop 9/11? Checkmate npc/cuck/TDS/liberals.

If you're investigating the president: "If you're not perfect, you're a hack can!!"

If you're the president "He's a businessman, still!!! He fights back!! He has the best people!!"

 

[grizzard2bid]

Congratulations, you found some impropriety. Now stack these cases up against his successes, and let us see your tally. I don't think it would go the way you think it would. Also, if he is such a can as you say, why does he have such a sterling reputation in the political AND legal communities? It seems absurd that this would be from his

Read the article again.

He was certainly in high regard with the Bushes, that much we know for sure. Bush SR gave him a job, then Bush Jr made him an FBI director. I wouldn't go as far as to say he's their lap dog, there isn't enough evidence to suggest that.