Crime Ferris Mueller's Election Off (Mueller thread v. 24)

[vengeful]

Observation:
Trump hires Best Person ™ for job >
Best Person ™ is eminently qualified and stuff >
Said hire is caught up in criminal enterprise >
Trump distances himself from Best Person ™ and minimizes how much they did for him

Question:
What does this pattern indicate?

Criminals are the best people, but does very little for Trump!

 

[hillelslovak87]

What talking point? I've just read up some facts from his biography. He was entrusted with protecting the public and he failed miserably on 9/11. Someone has to take the blame, and I'd look no further than #1 law enforcement agency that he headed. The Boston bombing was also under his watch and was completely preventable. Then a few other attacks that only didn't happen because the "bomber" was too incompetent. He is nothing more than a glorified bureaucrat, IMO.

He became director a month before 9/11. I fail to see how this is his fault. Also, if he is a mere bureaucrat, please explain his long list of successful prosecutions, people like Noriega and John Gotti.....

 

[Darkballs]

What talking point? I've just read up some facts from his biography. He was entrusted with protecting the public and he failed miserably on 9/11. Someone has to take the blame, and I'd look no further than #1 law enforcement agency that he headed. The Boston bombing was also under his watch and was completely preventable. Then a few other attacks that only didn't happen because the "bomber" was too incompetent. He is nothing more than a glorified bureaucrat, IMO.

I was just wondering if you came up with this stupidity on your own, or whether it was lifted from some retard site.

 

[grizzard2bid]

He became director a month before 9/11. I fail to see how this is his fault. Also, if he is a mere bureaucrat, please explain his long list of successful prosecutions, people like Noriega and John Gotti.....

Terrible examples. Noriega was a known CIA informant and asset until he was no longer useful. "The U.S. also regarded Noriega as an ally in its War on Drugs, despite Noriega himself having amassed a personal fortune through drug trafficking operations."Basically, they used him until he was no longer useful and then put a lid on him. How hard is it really to convict a foreign national that you allowed to smuggle drugs and weapons under your own tutelage. Real tough case.

Gotti was a known mobster for over a decade this was after the 5 families trial headed by Ruddi Giuliani. Blueprint was laid out and snitches were in place. By that standard Giuliani is an absolute A-star level prosecutor when he put away 5 families and essentially created RICO approach to trying mobsters.

I don't see any truly distinguishing or pioneering in Mueller's work. His brightest moment was standing up to Bush when it came to surveillance, but since then we found thanks to Snownden that the government still found the way to collect all the info they wanted.

 

[Strychnine]

Terrible examples. Noriega was a known CIA informant and asset until he was no longer useful. "The U.S. also regarded Noriega as an ally in its War on Drugs, despite Noriega himself having amassed a personal fortune through drug trafficking operations."Basically, they used him until he was no longer useful and then put a lid on him. How hard is it really to convict a foreign national that you allowed to smuggle drugs and weapons under your own tutelage. Real tough case.

Gotti was a known mobster for over a decade this was after the 5 families trial headed by Ruddi Giuliani. Blueprint was laid out and snitches were in place. By that standard Giuliani is an absolute A-star level prosecutor when he put away 5 families and essentially created RICO approach to trying mobsters.

I don't see any truly distinguishing or pioneering in Mueller's work. His brightest moment was standing up to Bush when it came to surveillance, but since then we found thanks to Snownden that the government still found the way to collect all the info they wanted.

You do realize that none of what you're saying impacts this investigation in any way whatsoever?

People don't plead guilty because the prosecutor/investigator screwed up.

I know, I know... But baby... That's how it is.... Now put on your "follow the rules or get the hammer panties" and deal with it.

 

[grizzard2bid]

I was just wondering if you came up with this stupidity on your own, or whether it was lifted from some retard site.

Wikipedia with references. "Facts are stupid!". Oh well.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Terrible examples. Noriega was a known CIA informant and asset until he was no longer useful. "The U.S. also regarded Noriega as an ally in its War on Drugs, despite Noriega himself having amassed a personal fortune through drug trafficking operations."Basically, they used him until he was no longer useful and then put a lid on him. How hard is it really to convict a foreign national that you allowed to smuggle drugs and weapons under your own tutelage. Real tough case.

Gotti was a known mobster for over a decade this was after the 5 families trial headed by Ruddi Giuliani. Blueprint was laid out and snitches were in place. By that standard Giuliani is an absolute A-star level prosecutor when he put away 5 families and essentially created RICO approach to trying mobsters.

I don't see any truly distinguishing or pioneering in Mueller's work. His brightest moment was standing up to Bush when it came to surveillance, but since then we found thanks to Snownden that the government still found the way to collect all the info they wanted.

Fucking lol, anything to discredit the guy, yeah?

Noriega still needed to be prosecuted, and it was still regarded as a heady task at the time.

Gotti was known as the Teflon Don AFTER the 5 families (well, really 4, as Fat Tony Salerno did not actually run the Genovese family), and had been avoiding prosecution time after time. Mueller nailed his ass to the wall and helped him into a prison cell for life.

He does not need to be a pioneer for his work to be exemplary. There is a reason why he has had such a sterling reputation in Washington for decades among both sides of the political class. There is also a reason we have people like you trying to shit on him only after Trump, who will shit on anyone if threatened, starts to bitch and moan about it. Even Trump regarded Mueller as being exemplary until it turned out he was going to actually be searching through Trump's shit.

In short, you guys do not make yourselves look good by this whoring.

 

[Trotsky]

Ya I am not a fan of hers either. Everything she touches on you can find in the actual transcripts and court documents she references. She just serves as a one stop shop for all the stuff, summarized and in a way you can fact check everything she cites. So I like it because she makes it easier for me to do my own fact checking

Maddow is a low key pretty decent journalist. It's a wonder how much more respected and famous she would be if it weren't for her smugness and her being a woman with a short haircut, the latter of which automatically makes you an ugly libtard man-hating bimbo or so it seems. Same (but not as severe) unfortunate thing with Anderson Cooper: because he's gay, he's automatically discredited to the right.

 

[Darkballs]

Wikipedia with references. "Facts are stupid!". Oh well.

The only fact you presented was that he assumed his position at the FBI a month before 9-11 and therefor cannot be trusted in this investigation.

And that's retarded. Now to your credit, I don't think you came up with something so stupid on your own. I think you likely borrowed it from some idiot.

I was just surprised something so stupid was making the rounds.

 

[grizzard2bid]

You do realize that none of what you're saying impacts this investigation in any way whatsoever?

People don't plead guilty because the prosecutor/investigator screwed up.

I know, I know... But baby... That's how it is.... Now put on your "follow the rules or get the hammer panties" and deal with it.

I just said Mueller is a B-level prosecutor and explained how his most famous prosecutions were nothing more than spoon-fed cases. He was D-level former FBI director and it is personal to me. A lot of people put too much faith into him only because they hate Trump. I'm not one bit surprised he's nowhere after two years of investigations.

 

[Strychnine]

I just said Mueller is a B-level prosecutor and explained how his most famous prosecutions were nothing more than spoon-fed cases. He was D-level former FBI director and it is personal to me. A lot of people put too much faith into him only because they hate Trump. I'm not one bit surprised he's nowhere after two years of investigations.

"Pivotal moments in Mueller’s Trump investigation: 5 guilty pleas, 17 indictments and more"

5 Guilty pleas and 17 indictments is "nowhere"?

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-mueller-investigation-one-year/

Ok...

<puh-lease75>

 

[hillelslovak87]

I just said Mueller is a B-level prosecutor and explained how his most famous prosecutions were nothing more than spoon-fed cases. He was D-level former FBI director and it is personal to me. A lot of people put too much faith into him only because they hate Trump. I'm not one bit surprised he's nowhere after two years of investigations.

Dude, stop. You show with each post that you haven't a clue of what you speak.

Again, the Noriega case was not some slam dunk he had waiting for him. A foreign leader being prosecuted is a supremely heady task, and I think you know this.

John Gotti had escaped seemingly lead pipe cinch cases time and time again before Mueller nabbed him.

He was the longest serving FBI director since Hoover, serving both democrat and republican administrations.

You can't blacken the dude with this shit, and all you succeed in doing is making yourself look defecated.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

"Pivotal moments in Mueller’s Trump investigation: 5 guilty pleas, 17 indictments and more"

5 Guilty pleas and 17 indictments is "nowhere"?

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-mueller-investigation-one-year/

Ok...

<puh-lease75>

Those don't count because reasons

 

[Trotsky]

I just said Mueller is a B-level prosecutor and explained how his most famous prosecutions were nothing more than spoon-fed cases. He was D-level former FBI director and it is personal to me. A lot of people put too much faith into him only because they hate Trump. I'm not one bit surprised he's nowhere after two years of investigations.

 

[Quipling]

I just said Mueller is a B-level prosecutor and explained how his most famous prosecutions were nothing more than spoon-fed cases. He was D-level former FBI director and it is personal to me. A lot of people put too much faith into him only because they hate Trump. I'm not one bit surprised he's nowhere after two years of investigations.

Cool.

Name 3-4 prosecutors that are more decorated, and rank the FBI directors while you're at it.

 

[grizzard2bid]

He was the longest serving FBI director since Hoover, serving both democrat and republican administrations.

So he was an effective bureaucrat, let's just agree on that. 9/11, Times Square failed bombing, Boston Bombing all under his watch. I get it that he did not personally review evidence of those threats, but he was still in a position to put surveillance on targets that mattered. Terrorist attacks is literally the #1 FBI job. They had the intelligence and warning sings. Some guys here said that "but he was only the director for 1 month before 9/11". Great, so when you get hired to work and something goes terrible wrong that's going to be the excuse? You take over the responsibility and liabilities that come with the job. He got insufficient blame for it. This was all after 1993 bombings too, so it's not like targeting WTC was a new idea. Let's just drop debating his efficacy as an FBI director. I think he was suit in a chair and nothing more and others are going to try and build him up because of a PR warfare happening with Trump. I'm not interested in that- I care about the facts, so whatever, it doesn't personally affect me at this point.

 

[grizzard2bid]

Cool.

Name 3-4 prosecutors that are more decorated, and rank the FBI directors while you're at it.

Well, since people view him so highly over prosecuting Gotti, I'm gonna throw out Ruddi Giuliani just for shits and giggles. Clearly the highest-profile cases and he basically pioneered RICO approach to mob prosecutions. A-level prosecutor by those standards.

I wouldn't know how to rank FBI directors. I know he oversaw biggest and most successful terrorist attack on US soil and few others thereafter, but of course there was 1993 WTC and OKC bombings, so it's really difficult to estimate.

 

[Trotsky]

Hmm, I thought the guys who made RICO a law in order to prosecute organized crime in 1970 kind of pioneered the RICO approach to mob prosecutions.

Anyways, this is silly. There was a reason why Mueller's appointment was celebrated by both the right and the left: he's one of the very best prosecutors in the history of the United States. The idea that the FBI is flawed if any terrorist attacks occur, even if they prevented exponentially more, is also silly.

 

[tonni]

Hmm, I thought the guys who made RICO a law in order to prosecute organized crime in 1970 kind of pioneered the RICO approach to mob prosecutions.

Anyways, this is silly. There was a reason why Mueller's appointment was celebrated by both the right and the left: he's one of the very best prosecutors in the history of the United States. The idea that the FBI is flawed if any terrorist attacks occur, even if they prevented exponentially more, is also silly.

Some people loudly claim conclusions as if they were facts, when it's probably more a case of them hoping it to be true. They probably realize Mueller is on to something and this investigation is turning up a lot more than they hoped. It's a scary prospect. So they do some mental gymnastics, I'm pretty sure it's subconsciously, to reach to the brilliant conclusion that Mueller is a bum. It feels a lot less threatening to look at him that way, I'm sure.

Because when Mueller took down Gotti, that killed him. As god is my witness he is broken in half.

 

[hillelslovak87]

So he was an effective bureaucrat, let's just agree on that. 9/11, Times Square failed bombing, Boston Bombing all under his watch. I get it that he did not personally review evidence of those threats, but he was still in a position to put surveillance on targets that mattered. Terrorist attacks is literally the #1 FBI job. They had the intelligence and warning sings. Some guys here said that "but he was only the director for 1 month before 9/11". Great, so when you get hired to work and something goes terrible wrong that's going to be the excuse? You take over the responsibility and liabilities that come with the job. He got insufficient blame for it. This was all after 1993 bombings too, so it's not like targeting WTC was a new idea. Let's just drop debating his efficacy as an FBI director. I think he was suit in a chair and nothing more and others are going to try and build him up because of a PR warfare happening with Trump. I'm not interested in that- I care about the facts, so whatever, it doesn't personally affect me at this point.

No, he was an effective Head of The FBI, no matter the failings you place on him completely, end of story.

I get it, you said some stupid shit because you hate the guy. It's alright. I just don't like the psychotic pushing forth with your points despite the facts. You act as if he was some flunky prosecutor, yet his record disagrees, and you were brought examples of some of his HUGE wins. Now you're going with the "He's not perfect, and it's all his fault." line in relation to terrorism. You seem to want perfection so you don't need to shit on someone.

As another user asked, name 3 better FBI directors, and name some prosecutors you think are so much better than the guy, given his record.