Fedors Strikeforce losing streak

[Readybodisready]

Age isnt a valid factor when you are on TRT.

Funny how both Bigfoot and Hendo were on TRT. Werdum is also looking extremely soft these days so things start looking suss already.

The likes of Mir have been on TRT and it changed nothing. Hendo was a very old man who only had pure strength and confidence left in him. He destroyed Fedor in every aspect of octagon fighting. It was humiliating to see.

As far as your accusations about 40+ year old Werdum go. I will point you to Fedor going from a near 240 pounds with massive traps and shoulders, to the dadbod we saw later with 15 pounds less of pure muscle once he started fighting in the USA where there was drug testing. And that was in his late 20s/early 30s. Love the irony.

 

[CrimsonFan]

Not training hard IS failing to evolve as a fighter though, training methods in all sports get better all the time. Those who don't evolve fall behind, which is exactly what happened to Fedor. It took a long time for it to happen which shows just how far ahead of his time he was, but his losses were never a sudden falling out of his prime issue. He simply never evolved and Werdum, Bigfoot, and Henderson did.

I like Fedor as much as the next guy, but the built in excuses so many people have for him is astounding and honestly offputs a lot of people to his legacy. He was on top for years and then fell behind because he didn't evolve, there's nothing wrong with that. Fedor doesn't need people claiming that he fell out of his prime over night, that he stopped caring and trying etc. It took ten years for the game to catch up to him, that's an achievement enough, stop devaluing you by adding excuses for why the game caught up.

Its not a case of not evolving. He got worse

Fedor that fought Cro Cop wouldnt have lost to Henderson.

Edit.
Well i dunno, Dan at that point in his career might have KOd God in a fight. So i retract. But Fedor in his glory wouldnt have dropped 3 in a row

 

[GrizzlyMan]

Makes me laugh, TS wants to have an honest discussion and then goes on to say Fedor looks old, fat, frail and ridiculous. Then calls him a mofo. Makes sweeping statements calling him cocky, arrogant, without once demonstrating a linguistic ability in Russian. Hint: if you want an honest discussion the I assume you want balanced comments from both sides of the argument. You won't get that by posting an ot like that, just carry on fighter bashing with the haters, and ys Fedor fans will continue to bask in his eternal GOAT glory. Happy Easter bitches.

 

[DarkneT]

Werdum was a fluke

Bigfoot was sauced to the eyeballs

Hendo is... Hendo

 

[CrimsonFan]

The likes of Mir have been on TRT and it changed nothing. Hendo was a very old man who only had pure strength and confidence left in him. He destroyed Fedor in every aspect of octagon fighting. It was humiliating to see.

As far as your accusations about 40+ year old Werdum go. I will point you to Fedor going from a near 240 pounds with massive traps and shoulders, to the dadbod we saw later with 15 pounds less of pure muscle once he started fighting in the USA where there was drug testing. And that was in his late 20s/early 30s. Love the irony.

Didnt Fedor drop Hendo on his ass? Fuck off dude

 

[Deleted member 110072]

The ufc has done a great job in controlling the market. Theyre able to build and destroy fighters publicity and standing with fans.

Back then it was even worse

Fedor was heavily bashed for fighting Werdum. Every mma fan considered it a squash match and he was as hated as Conor is here now.

He was a 10 to 1 favorite. There has never been a ufc hw title or contender fight with those odds. A Lesnar, Couture, or Carwin fight would have been 5 to 1 MAX

Ufc controlled mma back then. The bookies, fans, everything. And it took another 5 years for the public to finally start realizing this

All that really shows you of course is how unknowledgeable and easily manipulated much of the MMA fanbase is.

As far as the fights themselves go I would say they are easier to understand if you watch them and indeed the Rogers fight previously, Fedor wasn't going from dominating to being dominated, he was going from looking vulnerable fighting in a very aggressive fashion and winning to looking doing the same thing and loosing.

 

[Readybodisready]

Didnt Fedor drop Hendo on his ass? Fuck off dude

He scored a flash knockdown(of which Hendo has overcome 10+ times in his career) which Hendo actually used to KTFO Fedor in a spectacular MMA sequence that Fedor didn't even know what was going on before or after the faceplant.

Lets not even get into the start of the fight where Hendo dropped Fedor in the opening seconds, outbrawling him, superman punching Fedor against the fence and then holding him there for nearly 2 minutes(a MW outgrappling a HW).

A lot of people can't deal with this painful fight and try to write it off as a 'fluke moment' when in reality, Hendo dominated 99% of that fight in his 40s while being 2 weight classes smaller.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

He scored a flash knockdown(of which Hendo has overcome 10+ times in his career) which Hendo actually used to KTFO Fedor in a spectacular MMA sequence that Fedor didn't even know what was going on before or after the faceplant.

Lets not even get into the start of the fight where Hendo dropped Fedor in the opening seconds, outbrawling him, superman punching Fedor against the fence and then holding him there for nearly 2 minutes(a MW outgrappling a HW).

A lot of people can't deal with this painful fight and try to write it off as a 'fluke moment' when in reality, Hendo dominated 99% of that fight in his 40s while being 2 weight classes smaller.

That wasn't a flash knockdown, Hendo was clearly hurt and himself said that was the hardest he'd ever been hit up to that point.

I wouldn't say it was a "fluke" although I do think the followup GnP was dodgy, what I would say is that match clearly isn't domination by Hendo and its very easy to imagine the result going the other way.

 

[CrimsonFan]

All that really shows you of course is how unknowledgeable and easily manipulated much of the MMA fanbase is.

As far as the fights themselves go I would say they are easier to understand if you watch them and indeed the Rogers fight previously, Fedor wasn't going from dominating to being dominated, he was going from looking vulnerable fighting in a very aggressive fashion and winning to looking doing the same thing and loosing.

For sure.

I think he was lucky as hell to beat AA and Sylvia as quickly as he did. Those fights could have turned ugly on him too. My whole point is he wasent hungry. He didnt have drive like Khabib has. He was already checked out. And after 10 years of dominance i cant blame him


He took 10x the damage than any current ufc champ before Werdum beat him

 

[Readybodisready]

That wasn't a flash knockdown, Hendo was clearly hurt and himself said that was the hardest he'd ever been hit up to that point.

I wouldn't say it was a "fluke" although I do think the followup GnP was dodgy, what I would say is that match clearly isn't domination by Hendo and its very easy to imagine the result going the other way.

I'd like to see a source to that statement with proper context. There was no way he was hit harder than the fight against Newton where he was very close to getting knocked out cold, or the Anderson Silva fight where he suffered a severe concussion during the fight which made him wilt mentally in the fight(a truly unbelievable thing to happen to Dan freaking Henderson).

Like I said he actually used that moment to his advantage by reversing Fedor and then knocking him out cold so he wasn't even remotely close in hell to being finished. Fedor really had nothing for Hendo except for that one moment in the fight which turned into his own downfall. That is why fans like you always completely ignore everything else that happened in that fight. It was a 4 minute and 12 seconds fight. Hendo was dominating for atleast 4 minutes before getting the brutal finish. It's what truly ruined Fedor's legacy IMO.

 

[RaskeDanzig]

He lost in his prime to 3 elite fighters, yes. Problem is, one of them was against a 41yo man two weight classes below him who dominated him in both aspects of MMA and brutally finished him inside of 1. That is the one that destroys his legacy the most. Things wouldn't be quite as sad if Werdum and Silva were the only ones to beat him.

Dude Fedor had like 15 pounds of belly fat on Hendo. There wasn't a significant size difference. And Hendo vs Fedor was back and fourth the entire fight. Hendo was 41 but also at the peak of his career.

 

[CrimsonFan]

He scored a flash knockdown(of which Hendo has overcome 10+ times in his career) which Hendo actually used to KTFO Fedor in a spectacular MMA sequence that Fedor didn't even know what was going on before or after the faceplant.

Lets not even get into the start of the fight where Hendo dropped Fedor in the opening seconds, outbrawling him, superman punching Fedor against the fence and then holding him there for nearly 2 minutes(a MW outgrappling a HW).

A lot of people can't deal with this painful fight and try to write it off as a 'fluke moment' when in reality, Hendo dominated 99% of that fight in his 40s while being 2 weight classes smaller.

Why is this supposed to be a knock on Fedor..

40 year old hendo went on to fuck up Shogun Rua in the best fight ever.


First off, Dan fuckin Henderson is an all time great. I have no problem with anyone who thinks he is.

The mofo beat Fedor, Big Nog, Wand, Shogun.

Youre talking like losing to him is an insult. Honestly i do think Hendo on a good day could beat anyone in the world. Hes an olympian. A 1 in 10 thosand athlete

 

[Readybodisready]

He took 10x the damage than any current ufc champ before Werdum beat him

LOL Before Werdum beat him at the young heavyweight age of 33, there were tons of threads proclaiming Fedor to be the least hit fighter in MMA, even moreso than Lyoto Machida at the time who was just in the untouchable Machida era. Tons of gifs where Arlovski missed his punches, They were all bragging that Fedor only had a handful of moments in his career where he took damage. And now you guys try to change it to this lie.

Do not try to change history when you are surrounded by people who remember everything.

 

[JoshR86]

The answer is simple, Fedor never evolved as a fighter and the fight game caught up to him, it was never a prime thing. There's a reason why other fighters from the Pride era continued to have success outside of Pride and it's because they continued to evolve and work on their game whereas Fedor didn't bother.

I dont know how people can watch the big foot fight and say " wow Fedor has such an amazing botton game ", he looked like a fish out of water, whose only defense was flailing his arms around. How someone can show such a low level of skill and still be considered the GOAT is beyond me.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

For sure.

I think he was lucky as hell to beat AA and Sylvia as quickly as he did. Those fights could have turned ugly on him too. My whole point is he wasent hungry. He didnt have drive like Khabib has. He was already checked out. And after 10 years of dominance i cant blame him

He took 10x the damage than any current ufc champ before Werdum beat him

Sylvia its tough to know for sure as the fight was so short but I think that's the last time he looked close to his best, Arlovski asnt perhaps as bad as some of the talk as he didn't actually take much punishment himself but still he was probably losing until he landed the big punch. Rogers he was ontop overall but clearly had spells when he looked vunerable, Brett's spell of GnP and Hendo's reversal and punch from behind seem quite similar situations to me.

I mean its like Anderson, its easier to look at the Bonar fight in retrospect and see it as a sign of what was coming against Weidman when your not so locked into the hype of the moment.

 

[Readybodisready]

Why is this supposed to be a knock on Fedor..

40 year old hendo went on to fuck up Shogun Rua in the best fight ever.


First off, Dan fuckin Henderson is an all time great. I have no problem with anyone who thinks he is.

The mofo beat Fedor, Big Nog, Wand, Shogun.

Youre talking like losing to him is an insult. Honestly i do think Hendo on a good day could beat anyone in the world. Hes an olympian. A 1 in 10 thosand athlete

Because weight classes. They were seperated by two. Not one, TWO. And because we're talking about the alleged Heavyweight GOAT who you always brag about beating much bigger guys than himself.

Jake Shields, a blown up WW, did this to Hendo only 1 year before the Fedor fight:

So there's no excuse for Fedor.
I love Hendo too, one of the best fighters ever lived. But the best heavyweight of all time has no business being dominated and finished inside 1 round by him especially not when he's over 40 years old. You guys can't even admit that it was a very bad loss that hurt his legacy. Instead you write it off as no big deal by making every excuse in the book and trying to rewrite history. That's why I'm so adament about that fight.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I'd like to see a source to that statement with proper context. There was no way he was hit harder than the fight against Newton where he was very close to getting knocked out cold, or the Anderson Silva fight where he suffered a severe concussion during the fight which made him wilt mentally in the fight(a truly unbelievable thing to happen to Dan freaking Henderson).

Like I said he actually used that moment to his advantage by reversing Fedor and then knocking him out cold so he wasn't even remotely close in hell to being finished. Fedor really had nothing for Hendo except for that one moment in the fight which turned into his own downfall. That is why fans like you always completely ignore everything else that happened in that fight. It was a 4 minute and 12 seconds fight. Hendo was dominating for atleast 4 minutes before getting the brutal finish. It's what truly ruined Fedor's legacy IMO.

Well I'd disagree, he was clearly hurt and there was an opportunity to take advantage but Fedor didn't take it and Hendo reversed him, I mean Fedor was still clearly hurt when he finished Fujita, its not as if its impossible to win fights in that situation.

Again Hendo was really not dominating, he was basically 4 mins of shots being exchanged and Dan trying to take Fedor down against the cage before he was hurt standing and the reversal happened.

 

[Readybodisready]

I dont know how people can watch the big foot fight and say " wow Fedor has such an amazing botton game ", he looked like a fish out of water, whose only defense was flailing his arms around. How someone can show such a low level of skill and still be considered the GOAT is beyond me.

Well yes. Fedor's philosophy, as written in his sambo book, is by defending against being mounted you just lay there and wait for a moment to explode out. That doesn't work in today's game when you got a blackbelt BJJ on top of you much less a giant like Silva.

 

[CrimsonFan]

LOL Before Werdum beat him at the young heavyweight age of 33, there were tons of threads proclaiming Fedor to be the least hit fighter in MMA, even moreso than Lyoto Machida at the time who was just in the untouchable Machida era. Tons of gifs where Arlovski missed his punches, They were all bragging that Fedor only had a handful of moments in his career where he took damage. And now you guys try to change it to this lie.

Do not try to change history when you are surrounded by people who remember everything.

Yeah there were idiots that exagerrated shit.

That happens in sports. Youre also doing the same thing, but on the other end of the spectrum.

Youre so caught up in hating the guy, that you look like a complete moron every time you post regaurding this topic.

 

[100action]

The likes of Mir have been on TRT and it changed nothing. Hendo was a very old man who only had pure strength and confidence left in him. He destroyed Fedor in every aspect of octagon fighting. It was humiliating to see.

As far as your accusations about 40+ year old Werdum go. I will point you to Fedor going from a near 240 pounds with massive traps and shoulders, to the dadbod we saw later with 15 pounds less of pure muscle once he started fighting in the USA where there was drug testing. And that was in his late 20s/early 30s. Love the irony.

TRT makes puts you in god mode. This is undisputable. Don't even try - see Hendo, Bigfoot, Belfort.

Fedor had a shit physique his entire career, at no point did he look better than he did in strikeforce (and forget about instagram lighting, shooped kettelball pic).

See pride Fedor below, fat, out of shape, no muscle definition, no traps, no legs, fat american joe blow physique: