Fedor's prime ended early because of his lack of training at real camps

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  1. Reddd

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    What is with the excuses and outright lies for Fedor's losses where folks say well he was out of his prime?

    What the hell do you think happens when a sport evolves and a guy is still training in small gyms in Russia, fighting only once or twice a year, and fighting a lot of guys that aren't top notch fighters? How is that guy going to continue to be a dominant fighter when he isn't training with the best guys he can to stay sharp or even fighting the best guys? That fighter will eventually start to get exposed, and that is exactly what happened with Fedor. This ridiculous lie about him falling out of his prime never really happened. He just go t way to arrogant and thought he could keep winning with his outdated methods and formula once the bigger guys got more evolved.

    Fedor's career could have lasted longer and he likely could have been a better fighter had he woke the hell up and went to some real camps in the US and embraced the change that the rest of the MMA world did.

    He ruined what could have been a few more years in MMA. He didn't fall out of his prime. His poor business decisions with management and his ego ruined a large part of his legacy.

    THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH FEDOR for newbs who are a little confused when his fan boys drop these threads about him being out of his prime and lying about his losses to guys like Hendo, Big Foot, and Werdum. Not to mention, getting slung around by Rogers.
     
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    Well, that and his getting more obsessive over religion. No game planning, fasting during training camps and all of your above points hastened his decline.

    Really too bad.
     
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    Age, mileage, lack of modern training, getting dragged around by M1 and their bullshit and lack of tangible gameplans all culminated in his downfall.

    You cannot pinpoint one single thing. Fedor was a bad ass until he was not, but all that mixed with winging punches at everyone's head isn't the best approach.
     
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    Or maybe he got older and didn't take steroids/hgh to stay in his prime
     
  5. joeyjoejoe

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    Yeah his prime ended because he got old. Right around the time he started looking stiff out there, around the Andrei and Big Tim fights.
     
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    Fedor's career went downhill because of his crappy old management. They used Fedor as an attraction and tied his hands behind his back by never accepting a UFC offer.

    He then began to change his fight style to sloppy boxing. No bjj or grappling. Fedor vs Lesnar in 2009 would have been the biggest fight in UFC history imo. Bigger than Silva vs Gsp if it would have happened.
     
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    Yes and more of this^^^

    People like to sit back and act like he was just some 40 year old due that got old. He could have easily had plenty of more fights where he could have been a competitive guy. He wasted what could have been a much better career, and for some reason people like to act like he was hit by a car or something, and that he didn't screw up his own career. Yes, his career was still great over all, but that guy fought very irresponsibly for a while and it caught up with him. He didn't take fighting seriously enough.
     
  8. Cygnus-X

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr is the only one who can survive the I-run-my-own-camp-and-got-an-entourage-of-400-yes-men phase.
     
  9. Harmonica

    Harmonica Strong, silent type

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    Yes, as soon as he adopted the "Everything that happens - happens in accordance with god's will" attitude, his career went downhill. He use to be a great strategist, nowadays he just swings for the fence and prays one of the shots will land.
     
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    It was a combination of factors but he did decline physically. Not only it was noticeable but it was said by one of his trainers before his first loss:

    "With regard to age, it certainly has an effect," Alexander Michkov said. "To some extent, a decrease in high speed performance, but this is offset by experience."

    "Now the speed, of course, is a little slower, but -- knock on wood -- continues to be enough for Fedor to win," Michkov said. "There's a reduction in speed, but his combination of attacks have grown. And, in my opinion, to date, he remains the fastest heavyweight."


    His approach to fighting was a factor too. He fell in love with his punches and barely even grappled in any of his fights for years and then he decided it was a good idea to jump on Werdum's guard thinking his ground skills were still as sharp as they were in 2003-2004. Big mistake.

    Fedor actually used to fight smart. When he fought Nog the 3rd time it was all sprawl and brawl. When he fought Hunt and Crocop, he took them down, even though he did strike with them. But then all he did was brawl. Even against Maldonado, no TD attemps, just stand there against a freaking pro boxer. Obviously he ain't getting far like that.

    The HW division hasn't evolved at all. In recent years the top 10 has been filled with veterans from Fedor's time (Overeem, Hunt, Nogueira, Barnett, Arlovski, Werdum, etc.), and trust me, none of them are better than a prime Fedor. Werdum can train MT for 100 years and he still wouldn't be a better striker than a prime Fedor, yet he still KO'd Hunt and beat the crap out of Cain standing. Only in Arlovski's wildest dreams he would be as good as a prime Fedor, yet he was 1 fight away from a title shot just recently. Then you have the HW champ being Stipe Miocic...lol

    So no, the sport didn't "evolve" to the point of passing Fedor, he just stopped being as good as he used to be to the point of not even being top 10 material.
     
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  11. FedorRoks

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    He had a run of like 11 years before he lost.

    Can't go forever.

    True, though, he could have gone longer had he not lost focus.
     
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    In around 10 years he fought 33 times in the HW division without losses. You make it sound like his prime was short, but no other fighters in the HW division even comes close.
     
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    Right. Not like when someone depends on their chin then it cracks, or someone depends on explosiveness and then one day they just lose that critical edge and are now a half-step behind.

    It was, from a priority standpoint, having his head up his ass instead of in the game. And he is easily one of my all time favorite fighters. You can see the difference from the killer who beat the shit out of HH (and he was an underdog going into that fight), beat the shit out of Nog from inside his guard while Nog was in his prime, and walked down CC and beat him on the feet. By the time he fought Sylvia, he was becoming a one-dimensional brawler, and showing signs of physical deterioration that could have been avoided with proper training.
     
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    Not short, but he could have gone even longer, which is even more amazing, IMO.
     
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    Nevertheless, he remains the best fighter of his generation and an MMA icon.
     
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    All fighters age and all have primes. The great fighters today that nobody thinks will lose, will lose. They won't be able to walk away from the game either because of the rush of the sport. When Cain was champion, nobody even wanted to fight the guy and now people are already calling him past his prime or overrated. The cycle repeats. Unless your name is Dan Henderson.
     
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    No one going to mention the multiple hand breaks as a factor? His last 2 years in Pride were plagued with hand injuries.

    Many of the big names in Pride came out of it with lingering injuries.
     
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    Yeah tell em how it is is!
     
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    TS is like, "Damn Fedor you were one of the greatest fighters of all time but I want you to know if I had been there I could of helped you been something special".

    TS, "Me? Oh I'm 19 and work at Arby's".

    Fedor, "Bless you son, get me some ice cream".
     

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