Fedor Throwback

gono btw said:
I answered & you dont wanna correct my answer. Strange since you´re correctin´ someone above...
My bad luck...

Then I admitted that Im a noob & dont know the answer, & you´re still playin´the same cheap game...

It iz what it iz.

Meanwhile, ITT I asked you 2 questions:




& no answer...

Anyway, lil McDego Fiorretti, the truth is that this is what you always do, run away like a coward.
Your Modus operandi: you always go to wiki, find some kind of 'info.' without any real knowledge about the context, & try to twist it ad nauseam.

You wanna know why you do that? Because even though you are an MMA fan, you´re not a NHB fan. Never was.
You never watched those Igor fights in IAFC for instance... Never watched Kanehara in Rings when he made his name.
But... you call them 'can' or 'can-crusher'...

That´s why you talk about all those things you´re clueless about., like a textbook accountant.

NHB fans were from the streets, not middleclass nerds like ya.


Anyway, gonna show you how one plays the Question/Answer game...

@icemun said:



I countered:



Icemun pretended he didnt understand my challenge, somehow...

This is what I was expectin´from him: Hendo´s weight legacy, Career-wise:
If he can counter with legit Tales of The Tape, then let´s check...




Reminder: a natural weight is not a static concept, it evolves accordin´ to several factors.
For instance, Vitor Gracie started his NHB career as a LHW/HW [199 lbs vs Wand, 230 vs Charles].
Sure, today most people would consider him a natural MW because of the way that weight div. evolved, but back in the day nobody would have said that.

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This was right around the time Hendo participated in that historical Rings KoK OpenWeight Tournament, @ ... 90 kg

On the other hand, someone like Kerr, who wrassled @ 177 lbs, decided to bulk up & became a huge, feared HW when he made his debut in WVC, Brazil. The reason why he bulked up [PEDs]: he was scared to death of the Vale Tudo scene [confirmed by his manager Hamilton]


Now, this is how UFC made the transition back then, @ UFC 26:

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In short, the OW Fight Configuration shaped a whole generation of fighters.

Context & understandin´of the evolution of this game are...everythin´...
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There was nothing to misunderstand or otherwise.

When Henderson fought Fedor he stepped in the cage at a MW fighting weight at the age of 40 and knocked fedor out.
 
SexyBaroni said:
Fedor never failed a drug test fighting in US, while a lot of others that fought on the same card did.
There is no proof he took smth.
I haven't heard tht a credible fighter/coach/source, accused Fedor of taking roids.
So it is a wild speculation and baseless accusation with zero proof.

Hendo on the other hand, took TRT which gives you TST levels of 18yo, which is a huge advantage in a fight.
That's a fact!
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It's not wild speculation when a fighter was in an organization that gave steroids to fighters.
 
icemun said:
It's not wild speculation when a fighter was in an organization that gave steroids to fighters.
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Gave?
Like yakuza boyz gave bags of cash for nice performances and put roids in those bags?
 
Fioretti said:
TRT was used by anyone who could get an exemption. Again, they're all doing whatever the fuck they can to can any slight advantage. That's the way it's always been in MMA. This shit was built on PEDs and juice. Fedor fought where there was no testing and where PEDs were encouraged. He reigned for a long time at the top of the toughest division while being undersized and demonstrated superior strength, speed, cardio, endurance, and reflexes over his competition. The fact that his declined coincided with consistent top competition in organizations that had PED testing are all pretty good indicators. Is it 100% guaranteed that he was on some shit? No, of course not, but it's not 100% guaranteed that he wasn't either. Common sense and a glimpse of knowledge what the business/sport is actually like would tell you that it's more likely than not that he (and every other fighter) was on something at some point. Just be real, bro. Who cares if he's your favorite, it doesn't make him exempt.

Male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around ages 35-37. That's true. Hockey is not an endurance sport. Even in your example it shows ages 24-34 for near-peak in hockey players. Males in general peak between 28-35. This doesn't mean every male ever in existence, just the majority. That is when their muscle strength, density, and mass are at their peak, along with their mental awareness, speed, and reflexes.

Fedor had only 27 wins in a row, not 33.
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So, how did Hendo get an exemption?
Because he had TST of a 60 yo.Why?
Because he abused roids.

That's the way it's always been in MMA. This shit was built on PEDs and juice. Fedor fought where there was no testing and where PEDs were encouraged.

You can say that about any org and make same accusations against any fighter.
Excluding post USADA UFC, however, Firaz gave recent interview, that he thinks 60% of fighters are on gear still, learned how to beat the system.

The fact that his declined coincided with consistent top competition in organizations that had PED testing are all pretty good indicators.

He did good in Affliction and Pride fights in US with testing.
What kind of testing did strike force have?
He fought known roider Werdum and TRT users.
Combined with crazy schedule and wear and tear, no suprise he lost.

If Fedor was on gear, wouldn't it be logical to continue using and be much bigger
and more defined?
Wouldn't necessity of using be sharper with an age?

Fedor had only 27 wins in a row, not 33
What are you talking about?
 
icemun said:
It's not wild speculation when a fighter was in an organization that gave steroids to fighters.
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Dang that’s crazy if true. Do you have a credible source for that? I’m gonna search for it now.
 
SexyBaroni said:
So, how did Hendo get an exemption?
Because he had TST of a 60 yo.Why?
Because he abused roids.

That's the way it's always been in MMA. This shit was built on PEDs and juice. Fedor fought where there was no testing and where PEDs were encouraged.

You can say that about any org and make same accusations against any fighter.
Excluding post USADA UFC, however, Firaz gave recent interview, that he thinks 60% of fighters are on gear still, learned how to beat the system.

The fact that his declined coincided with consistent top competition in organizations that had PED testing are all pretty good indicators.

He did good in Affliction and Pride fights in US with testing.
What kind of testing did strike force have?
He fought known roider Werdum and TRT users.
Combined with crazy schedule and wear and tear, no suprise he lost.

If Fedor was on gear, wouldn't it be logical to continue using and be much bigger
and more defined?
Wouldn't necessity of using be sharper with an age?

Fedor had only 27 wins in a row, not 33
What are you talking about?
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I can't say how or why he got an exemption, and neither can you. He never popped for steroids, though, did he? Now you're just speculating and assuming his T was low because of steroid use, aren't you? That seems hypocritical. My understanding is that it didn't take but a doctor's note to get the TUE, maybe a little more in-depth than that, but that's the gist of it.

60% is pretty generous and just a guess. They've all taken something at some point. Not all steroids or PEDs will make you look like Romero, don't be naive. Fedor had 4 fights on US soil before losing to Werdum. Only 1 in PRIDE prior to his Affliction fights. It's no coincidence that he lost once he started consistently fighting top comp and wasn't mixing in cans and freakshows. 3-3 the first time he fought 6 top guys in a row. 3-1 the first time he fought 4 in a row. He had 27 wins in a row after losing to TK, not 33, and it's a lot easier to have a win streak like that when you're fighting non top 10 guys more than 70% of the time. See Travis Fulton. Fulton has tied or beat Fedor's streak 3 times in his career, also in the HW division, and it's because his competition was shit.

Be real, homie.
 
Fioretti said:
I can't say how or why he got an exemption, and neither can you. He never popped for steroids, though, did he? Now you're just speculating and assuming his T was low because of steroid use, aren't you? That seems hypocritical. My understanding is that it didn't take but a doctor's note to get the TUE, maybe a little more in-depth than that, but that's the gist of it.

60% is pretty generous and just a guess. They've all taken something at some point. Not all steroids or PEDs will make you look like Romero, don't be naive. Fedor had 4 fights on US soil before losing to Werdum. Only 1 in PRIDE prior to his Affliction fights. It's no coincidence that he lost once he started consistently fighting top comp and wasn't mixing in cans and freakshows. 3-3 the first time he fought 6 top guys in a row. 3-1 the first time he fought 4 in a row. He had 27 wins in a row after losing to TK, not 33, and it's a lot easier to have a win streak like that when you're fighting non top 10 guys more than 70% of the time. See Travis Fulton. Fulton has tied or beat Fedor's streak 3 times in his career, also in the HW division, and it's because his competition was shit.

Be real, homie.
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Your a ruthless shite,Fioretti,ill give ya that. But I've got no time for grousers. Feed 'im to the pigs,mods.
 
HHJ said:
Your a ruthless shite,Fioretti,ill give ya that. But I've got no time for grousers. Feed 'im to the pigs,mods.
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You're not really Mr. Current Affairs, are you, Tommy?

Madfish went mad, and The Gun....shot himself.
 
He made the mistake of following the rules and thinking other guys did when he came to the states.. He didn’t feel like becoming a pro “cheater” like, oh, I’d guess 90% of everybody that’s been fighting here longer.
 
SexyBaroni said:
So, how did Hendo get an exemption?
Because he had TST of a 60 yo.Why?
Because he abused roids.

That's the way it's always been in MMA. This shit was built on PEDs and juice. Fedor fought where there was no testing and where PEDs were encouraged.

You can say that about any org and make same accusations against any fighter.
Excluding post USADA UFC, however, Firaz gave recent interview, that he thinks 60% of fighters are on gear still, learned how to beat the system.

The fact that his declined coincided with consistent top competition in organizations that had PED testing are all pretty good indicators.

He did good in Affliction and Pride fights in US with testing.
What kind of testing did strike force have?
He fought known roider Werdum and TRT users.
Combined with crazy schedule and wear and tear, no suprise he lost.

If Fedor was on gear, wouldn't it be logical to continue using and be much bigger
and more defined?
Wouldn't necessity of using be sharper with an age?

Fedor had only 27 wins in a row, not 33
What are you talking about?
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Russians have a renowned reputation for steroid abuse and masking. Subsequently banning them from the Olympics

He was in an organization that openly encouraged and advised fighters on steroid usage.

And gear is a broad spectrum for much than providing big muscles
 
Fioretti said:
I can't say how or why he got an exemption, and neither can you. He never popped for steroids, though, did he? Now you're just speculating and assuming his T was low because of steroid use, aren't you? That seems hypocritical. My understanding is that it didn't take but a doctor's note to get the TUE, maybe a little more in-depth than that, but that's the gist of it.

60% is pretty generous and just a guess. They've all taken something at some point. Not all steroids or PEDs will make you look like Romero, don't be naive. Fedor had 4 fights on US soil before losing to Werdum. Only 1 in PRIDE prior to his Affliction fights. It's no coincidence that he lost once he started consistently fighting top comp and wasn't mixing in cans and freakshows. 3-3 the first time he fought 6 top guys in a row. 3-1 the first time he fought 4 in a row. He had 27 wins in a row after losing to TK, not 33, and it's a lot easier to have a win streak like that when you're fighting non top 10 guys more than 70% of the time. See Travis Fulton. Fulton has tied or beat Fedor's streak 3 times in his career, also in the HW division, and it's because his competition was shit.

Be real, homie.
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There are general guidelines of how a man gets TRT. Main is - low T.
When a man lives a healthy lifestyle and trains a lot, extra low T is usually a signature of early roid abuse.
There was a JRE interview with either Firaz or Greg Jackson who went in depth there.

Fedor lost to TK? That's a noob statement. It was due to illegal cut.
TK was allowed to continue because in was a tournament.
It should have been a DQ.
Do your research.

I cannot be 100% sure Fedor didn't take anything, but your assumptions are so wild, it could be applied to any fighter.
You can't guarantee that someone is clean even under USADA.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/firas-zahabi-thinks-60-of-the-ufc-roster-is-on-peds.4202168/

Hendo off the TRT started to look much older and slower and started losing a lot.
So fighting TRT guys and known busted user Werdum was a disadvantage.
Also, you don't count in wear and tear.
Show me another Pride or UFC champ who didn't decline after 30+ fights?
Most of them don't have that much, some even half ( Carwin, Lesnar, Cain).

Fulton is a shit example.
Did he fight Pride and UFC champs in and close to their primes - CC, Nog, Coleman, Randleman, TRT Hendo, Roid Werdum, Arlovski, Silvia?

Do you understand how much these fights take out of you?

Also, stop throwing freakshow accusations.
Fedor fought the best there was in Pride.
There were few money fights, Pride just offered, cause Fedor cleaned out the division,
so he fought Zulu , so that some freak fans would get satisfied.
 
icemun said:
Russians have a renowned reputation for steroid abuse and masking. Subsequently banning them from the Olympics

He was in an organization that openly encouraged and advised fighters on steroid usage.

And gear is a broad spectrum for much than providing big muscles
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That's a political statement,
Every superpower does everything they can for their Olympians to succeed.
Let's talk Jon Jones.

Even if they encouraged that, that doesn't mean 100% of roster took them.

You also can't deny that TRT is a huge advantage and Hendo declined very fast after he stopped using it.

So your arguments are crap.


You can take any fighter and accuse like that.
Cause even under USADA a lot are under suspicion.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/firas-zahabi-thinks-60-of-the-ufc-roster-is-on-peds.4202168/
 
SexyBaroni said:
That's a political statement,
Every superpower does everything they can for their Olympians to succeed.
Let's talk Jon Jones.

Even if they encouraged that, that doesn't mean 100% of roster took them.

You also can't deny that TRT is a huge advantage and Hendo declined very fast after he stopped using it.

So your arguments are crap.


You can take any fighter and accuse like that.
Cause even under USADA a lot are under suspicion.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/firas-zahabi-thinks-60-of-the-ufc-roster-is-on-peds.4202168/
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That's not a political statement, its merely a fact.
Russians are sublimely notorious for steroid abuse to the extent they have been banned from the Olympics that have just finished.

There is no argument. Fedor was beaten by a MW who was 40 years old.

This is after participating in an organization where steroids were flagrantly abused, given to and encouraged by the promotion to fighters.
 
Lol this thread really shows how delusional and pathetic some Fedor fans are. Sensitive fucks insult anyone who doesn't think Fedor is the GOAT.
 
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