Fedor Throwback

[mjfan23]

2021 and AA is still winning in modern UFC lol

 

[Fioretti]

There are general guidelines of how a man gets TRT. Main is - low T.
When a man lives a healthy lifestyle and trains a lot, extra low T is usually a signature of early roid abuse.
There was a JRE interview with either Firaz or Greg Jackson who went in depth there.

Fedor lost to TK? That's a noob statement. It was due to illegal cut.
TK was allowed to continue because in was a tournament.
It should have been a DQ.
Do your research.

I cannot be 100% sure Fedor didn't take anything, but your assumptions are so wild, it could be applied to any fighter.
You can't guarantee that someone is clean even under USADA.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/firas-zahabi-thinks-60-of-the-ufc-roster-is-on-peds.4202168/

Hendo off the TRT started to look much older and slower and started losing a lot.
So fighting TRT guys and known busted user Werdum was a disadvantage.
Also, you don't count in wear and tear.
Show me another Pride or UFC champ who didn't decline after 30+ fights?
Most of them don't have that much, some even half ( Carwin, Lesnar, Cain).

Fulton is a shit example.
Did he fight Pride and UFC champs in and close to their primes - CC, Nog, Coleman, Randleman, TRT Hendo, Roid Werdum, Arlovski, Silvia?

Do you understand how much these fights take out of you?

Also, stop throwing freakshow accusations.
Fedor fought the best there was in Pride.
There were few money fights, Pride just offered, cause Fedor cleaned out the division,
so he fought Zulu , so that some freak fans would get satisfied.

Your arguments are getting increasingly weaker, along with your rising frustrations.

You want to make accusations and assumptions of steroid use against one fighter who took the legal steps to get a TUE, and has never pissed hot, but want to discard the fact that another fighter fought primarily in an org without testing and encouraged PED use.

You then proceed to ignore an actual loss as a loss, math, and reality because Fedor's your favey. Then you want to ignore the similarities and correlations of a fighter who did what your favey did 3x over. Fulton is the perfect example of how it's easier and less impressive to amass a 20+ fight win streak when you're facing subpar competition. Fedor lost the VERY FIRST TIME he fought 4 top 10s in a row, and went to 3-3 (only 50%) when he continued to face top comp consistently. Right after that 3-3 streak, he strung together a few wins because he went back to fighting guys who weren't top 10.

You're being very naive with pushing the "he fought cheaters" narrative. Every single fighter has fought guys who were on some shit, and every fighter has also been on some shit. Be real, buddeh.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

That's not a political statement, its merely a fact.
Russians are sublimely notorious for steroid abuse to the extent they have been banned from the Olympics that have just finished.

There is no argument. Fedor was beaten by a MW who was 40 years old.

This is after participating in an organization where steroids were flagrantly abused, given to and encouraged by the promotion to fighters.

Muricans are greatly notorious for black PR.

You are not 40yo, when you are on TRT and have hormone levels of 20yo.

You are not a MW, whn you come in at 209 pounds, not cutting weight also helps a lot.

UFC, WEC, Strikeforce also had tons of roid abusers.
And you have no info about was really going on behind the doors.

 

[icemun]

Muricans are greatly notorious for black PR.

You are not 40yo, when you are on TRT and have hormone levels of 20yo.

You are not a MW, whn you come in at 209 pounds, not cutting weight also helps a lot.

UFC, WEC, Strikeforce also had tons of roid abusers.
And you have no info about was really going on behind the doors.

MW enter the cage at 200-215lbs.
Dan was 40 years old.

Its likely everyone is on roids however Pride it was openly encouraged and given to fighters.

Russia is banned from participating in the Olympics

 

[Deleted member 498977]

MW enter the cage at 200-215lbs.
Dan was 40 years old.

Its likely everyone is on roids however Pride it was openly encouraged and given to fighters.

Russia is banned from participating in the Olympics

Fact n1 - cutting weight takes a lot out of a fighter.
Not cutting weight = advantage.

Fact n2 - TRT is a huge advantage, cause it gives you a hormone level of 20yo

If you keep ignoring those, you are either dumb or a troll, or both.

Banning Russia from Olympics is a political move.
And it does not prove Fedor was on anything ( MMA is not an Olympic sport).

 

[icemun]

Fact n1 - cutting weight takes a lot out of a fighter.
Not cutting weight = advantage.

Fact n2 - TRT is a huge advantage, cause it gives you a hormone level of 20yo

If you keep ignoring those, you are either dumb or a troll, or both.

Banning Russia from Olympics is a political move.
And it does not prove Fedor was on anything ( MMA is not an Olympic sport).

Dan didnt cut down to MW to beat Fedor that was his walking/fighting weight

Fedor was in an organization that encouraged and distributed steroids to fighters.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Your arguments are getting increasingly weaker, along with your rising frustrations.

You want to make accusations and assumptions of steroid use against one fighter who took the legal steps to get a TUE, and has never pissed hot, but want to discard the fact that another fighter fought primarily in an org without testing and encouraged PED use.

You then proceed to ignore an actual loss as a loss, math, and reality because Fedor's your favey. Then you want to ignore the similarities and correlations of a fighter who did what your favey did 3x over. Fulton is the perfect example of how it's easier and less impressive to amass a 20+ fight win streak when you're facing subpar competition. Fedor lost the VERY FIRST TIME he fought 4 top 10s in a row, and went to 3-3 (only 50%) when he continued to face top comp consistently. Right after that 3-3 streak, he strung together a few wins because he went back to fighting guys who weren't top 10.

You're being very naive with pushing the "he fought cheaters" narrative. Every single fighter has fought guys who were on some shit, and every fighter has also been on some shit. Be real, buddeh.

Your arguments are mostly just your opinions and speculations.
You are getting desperate and trying to emotionally manipulate.
Like spewing bullshit, that Fedor " lost to TK" - that drops your credibility
to the bottom of a food chain, like a casual who just googles shit
and doesn't have an in-depth knowledge of how things were.

TRT was legal, but ignoring that it was a huge advantage is just dumb.
Look at Dan off TRT - declined dramatically.
So did Vitor.

What do you mean encouraged? Do you have proof?
Early UFC had no testing either, so is it a proof Dan and everyone else were on roids,
100% of the roster?

Are you trying to say Pride HW division was subpar?
It was much better that UFC in 2000s.
Best UFC HW of 2000s were Timmeh and Arlovski and Fedor DESTROYED them
both on US soil with drug testing.

Travis Fulton is a phenomenal example of MMA longeivety, although not on life,
he died recently in the age of 44.

But you cannot compare his competition to Fedor's in PRIDE, it's just ridiculous.
He lost to Arlovski, Rodriguez, Rothwell, Whitehead, Pele, Wiuff, Horn, Griffin... any half decent fighter he fought.

Every fighter is on some shit?
I'll have to disagree with that.
60-70%, yes, but not all.
Firas Zahabi's opinion weight more than yours, buddeh.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Dan didnt cut down to MW to beat Fedor that was his walking/fighting weight

Fedor was in an organization that encouraged and distributed steroids to fighters.

You are a trolling answering machine, which ignores arguments and is not worth my time.
Ignore list.

 

[Fioretti]

Your arguments are mostly just your opinions and speculations.
You are getting desperate and trying to emotionally manipulate.
Like spewing bullshit, that Fedor " lost to TK" - that drops your credibility
to the bottom of a food chain, like a casual who just googles shit
and doesn't have an in-depth knowledge of how things were.

TRT was legal, but ignoring that it was a huge advantage is just dumb.
Look at Dan off TRT - declined dramatically.
So did Vitor.

What do you mean encouraged? Do you have proof?
Early UFC had no testing either, so is it a proof Dan and everyone else were on roids,
100% of the roster?

Are you trying to say Pride HW division was subpar?
It was much better that UFC in 2000s.
Best UFC HW of 2000s were Timmeh and Arlovski and Fedor DESTROYED them
both on US soil with drug testing.

Travis Fulton is a phenomenal example of MMA longeivety, although not on life,
he died recently in the age of 44.

But you cannot compare his competition to Fedor's in PRIDE, it's just ridiculous.
He lost to Arlovski, Rodriguez, Rothwell, Whitehead, Pele, Wiuff, Horn, Griffin... any half decent fighter he fought.

Every fighter is on some shit?
I'll have to disagree with that.
60-70%, yes, but not all.
Firas Zahabi's opinion weight more than yours, buddeh.

My arguments are factual and objective. "Emotionally manipulate" - lol wtf bro - by stating a fact? If that emotionally "manipulates" you, it's pretty obvious you can't be objective. It's a fact that Fedor officially has a loss to TK, just like Jones has a loss to Hammil. Any statistical streaks for either fighter do not magically ignore the official call of the fight, and cannot be discarded when discussing statistical data. Jon Jones would have beaten Silva's UFC win streak if so, but Silva still holds the record. We as fans know that these L's have asterisks, sure, but you can't discard them when discussing factual statistical data. Silva should have 11 title defenses because Lutter missed weight, Hughes should have 8 because Riggs missed weight, but the official statistics are 10 and 6. Fedor was 4-1 after facing TK - this is a fact - and he didn't lose for another 28 fights, but his win streak was actually broken by the NC to Nog 17 fights into this 28 fight unbeaten streak. You can't even say he was on a 27 fight win streak, because he had a NC. The correct phrasing would be 28 fight unbeaten streak after his first career loss.

I didn't say that TRT wasn't an advantage. I said the entire concept of it was to even the playing field for older fighters if it wasn't abused. Dan didn't seem to be abusing it, but Vitor absolutely did, and your speculations on Dan only needing, getting, or using TRT because of past steroid use is exactly that - speculation. The man never pissed hot otherwise. This is your defense for Fedor, so in order for you to remain unbiased and consistent, it must hold true for Dan. Do you disagree? Or does the "he never pissed hot" excuse only work for your favey?

PRIDE absolutely encouraged their fighters to use PEDs. Are you not aware? MMA was built on juice, bro. If the number wasn't/isn't 100%, it's in the 99's. Don't be naive.

Fedor faced top 10 opponents 30% of the time during his first 33 fights. This means he was facing subpar competition 70% of the time. This is not me saying that PRIDE HW division as a whole was subpar, just the majority of the guys that Fedor faced during that streak were. Those are facts. Both Timmeh and Arlovski were years removed from being champions when Fedor demolished them. They weren't the best HWs in the UFC at that time, they weren't even in the UFC, and both immediately went on terrible streaks. Tim got knocked out in a few seconds by 50 year old 1-0 MMA Ray Mercer, and Arlovski went on one of the worst losing streaks of his career. Obviously Arlovski was able to bounce back, while Tim fell off into Bolivian.

Travis Fulton is a phenomenal example of how and why amassing 20+ wins against nobodies doesn't really mean too much in the overall scheme of things. Fuck, man, he did it three times. You listed a bunch of losses he had when he faced top competition, and that proves my point. Fedor went 3-3 the very first time in his career he faced 6 top 10 guys in a row. As the consensus long-reigning #1 HW in the world, you should never be fighting anybody outside of the top 5, let alone top 10. You can absolutely compare Nagata, Ogawa, Zulu, Choi, Valavicious, etc.. to some of Fulton's competition, and when you're ranked so highly for so long, yet constantly mix in these garbage/unranked fights, it's the epitome of padding a record. Which is less impressive or significant.

You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't make it any less true. Like Zahabi, you have a narrative to push, but I don't. Fighters can and will do anything they can possibly get away with to get any slight bit of edge. Greasing, IVs, diuretics, supplements, PEDs, steroids, body odor, shaving their body hair, grabbing towels, talking shit, grabbing shorts, grabbing the fence, eye pokes, cheap shots, nut shots, fake touch, etc, etc, etc.. Have you ever trained, competed, or spent a significant amount of time around people who do? To compete at that level, it's essentially mandatory. If not only for recovery.

 

[GaneHotBallsFinisher]

I'm not trolling and genuinely curious.

I'm a big fan of him because I love his demeanor and explosiveness, but I'm not schooled on him enough.

When people call him the greatest, what's the reasoning behind ignoring his losses? How is his loss to someone like Dan Henderson explained?

Did he just fight too long and losses are inevitable? Didn't he start his losing around 32? That's not nearly old enough to explain away.

 

[icemun]

You are a trolling answering machine, which ignores arguments and is not worth my time.
Ignore list.

There is no argument.
Fedor lost to a 40 year old Henderson who entered the cage at MW fight weight.
It's in the history books.

 

[DemonBaby]

When will ever see a HW like this again? He would've been a LHW in today's era.

Still has good hand speed and power in his 40's.

EDIT: Link got taken down, new version has a better intro

EDIT 2: I made this thread for Fedor fans but Sherdog gonna Sherdog

I fucking miss PRIDE with a passion. Fedor will always be goat to me man.

 

[DemonBaby]

His fight with Randleman was iconic, really showed how durable he is
That was a clean power suplex on the head he got hit with.

And won like 30 seconds later, superb by anyone's standards.

 

[HHJ]

And won like 30 seconds later, superb by anyone's standards.

Man i wish the threads back then still existed. People could not believe what the fuck they just saw. Thats when Fedor's legend grew alot. If that couldnt beat him what could???

Mirko's LHK was the only thing people figured was dangerous enough.

 

[DemonBaby]

There is no argument.
Fedor lost to a 40 year old Henderson who entered the cage at MW fight weight.
It's in the history books.

Everyone loses brother. He lost to one of the best after a decade of blastin mothafuckas out, including multiple former UFC champs or future UFC champs.

 

[DemonBaby]

Man i wish the threads back then still existed. People could not believe what the fuck they just saw. Thats when Fedor's legend grew alot. If that couldnt beat him what could???

Mirko's LHK was the only thing people figured was dangerous enough.

And even prime Crocop looked like a scared little hampster lol. Me and my brother lost our shit when Randleman did that. We loved Randleman but Fedor was always our favorite.

For a brief second it was like....did he die? Not only did he not die but comes back like the Russian Terminator that he was lol.

 

[HHJ]

When people call him the greatest, what's the reasoning behind ignoring his losses? How is his loss to someone like Dan Henderson explained?

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Because he was already known as the greatest before he started losing. He was so fucking far ahead,for so long,that those losses at the end didnt matter. The point was proven. No one is ever going to break that streak at HW.

 

[HHJ]

And even prime Crocop looked like a scared little hampster lol. Me and my brother lost our shit when Randleman did that. We loved Randleman but Fedor was always our favorite.

For a brief second it was like....did he die? Not only did he not die but comes back like the Russian Terminator that he was lol.

 

[DemonBaby]

Completely off their feet, fuckin full force like a missle....and still didn't stop him. Fujita that big barrel headed mofo put him on spaghetti legs and still lost by stoppage lol....man PRIDE ruled.

 

[HHJ]

Completely off their feet, fuckin full force like a missle....and still didn't stop him. Fujita that big barrel headed mofo put him on spaghetti legs and still lost by stoppage lol....man PRIDE ruled.

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