Fedor Throwback

[johnmangala]

Fedor would laugh at how pathetic most of his fans are. Disgraceful.

 

[gono btw]

Yeah, that's what happens when stubborn little girls don't answer questions and use only quotes as responses. Is normal. Lmk bout Hendo's Olympic weight, brah. You know, whenever you can figure it out.

You´re finally back, lil shook McDego Fioretti?

Lemme see how you cleaned up that mess... hmmm, yeahhh... good job, womah.

Anyway, by now you should consider this: there´s a strong possibility that poor Gono might have a limited MMA knowledge & not as great as yours. How´bout that?
You´re a 2005 account while poor Gono is a noob & lousy at numbers, as you said.

Let´s see, tho...:

> Kerr competed @ 177 lbs in his wrasslin´days

Spoiler: INB4

[MMA] Career-wise, Kerr was a... WW !...

> Randle competed @ 177 lbs in his wrasslin´days

Spoiler: INB4

[MMA] Career-wise, Randle was a... WW !...

> Coleman even competed @ 189 lbs in his wrasslin´days.

Spoiler: INB4

[MMA] Career-wise, Coleman was a... MW !...

> Lindland competed @ 165 lbs in his wrasslin´days, especially @ the 2000 OG

Spoiler: INB4

[MMA] Career-wise, Da Law was a... LW !...

> Hendo: hmmmm.... since he was Da Law´s friend & trainin´partner @ Team Quest,
let´s give lil Fiorretti a hand...
Let´s say he competed @... 145 lbs ...once, in an obscure Tournament in Gdansk...

Spoiler: And Now...

Lil Fiorretti, what...are...ya...gonna... do...




Make us laugh.

 

[gono btw]

Oh, by the way, all those ranking numbers you pulled out of your ass are wrong. Might wanna do some homework, slick.

If there´s a m´f´kah who tapped multiple times because of rankings, ´round here, it´s really you, mate...

 

[GOAT.]

Gono putting in good work here. This mongoloid @Fioretti thinks a fighter who was at their physical peak in 2005 is still at their physical peak in 2011 just because they're 33 years old. According to morons like him Aldo and Conor are still at their peak. Smh

 

[Fioretti]

> Hendo: hmmmm.... since he was Da Law´s friend & trainin´partner @ Team Quest,
let´s give lil Fiorretti a hand...
Let´s say he competed @... 145 lbs ...once, in an obscure Tournament in Gdansk...

Spoiler: And Now...

Lil Fiorretti, what...are...ya...gonna... do...

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After almost a week, your answer is that Hendo weighed in at 145 lbs for the 92 and 96 Olympics? That's incorrect. Try again, Nono.

Gono putting in good work here. This mongoloid @Fioretti thinks a fighter who was at their physical peak in 2005 is still at their physical peak in 2011 just because they're 33 years old. According to morons like him Aldo and Conor are still at their peak. Smh

You think Nono avoiding a question for a week is "putting in work"? Lol. You also that age 28-29 is physical peak for a man? That's the first year or so of their prime, and about 4-5 years off from peak, girl. Yes, at age 33 (this would be 2010 for Fedor, not 2011) they are peaking physically and mentally. You clearly don't know what that means. For you, 2005 is his "peak" because he fought Mirko and Nog in a 9 month span. That's not what "physical prime/peak" actually means though. That was the highlight of his career, sure, but not when he was physiologically at his strongest, just when he started to be. As I said before, kidd-o, it's science.

- "Muscle strength tends to peak at age 25 and then plateau until age 35. Between 35 and 45 years old, men are still considered to be young middle-aged. After 45 years old, a man may be considered past his prime."

-"Performance in athletic events, where skill and experience are important, tends to peak in the mid-30's."

I know you'll have trouble comprehending or processing this information, so I'll be around to fix your mistakes after you try to discredit or disregard facts again. Hey, before we get too far off from your last few mistakes, please tell me again how #2 Mirko was Hunt's most recent win before facing Fedor. That's a bit of a stretch and you seem to be trying to rewrite history a bit there, sport. Oh yeah, and I'm still waiting on them pics so you can show me how young, tough, and in-shape you are from such rigorous training. It might just scare me off too, amirite? Cheers, darlin.

 

[Mr Wings]

@gono btw
@Fioretti @GOAT. @Dr Guildo

 

[gono btw]

After almost a week, your answer is that Hendo weighed in at 145 lbs for the 92 and 96 Olympics? That's incorrect. Try again, Nono.
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It´s over lil McDego, I acknowledged that Im a noob & dont know that answer.

Now it´s on you to educate me. Time to show your game, project that info of yours into Hendo´s MMA Career.

Waitin´.

 

[Mr Wings]

A fighter exiting their prime can happen anytime in their 30s, IMO.

It doesn’t only have to be age related; it’s a convergence of factors, and can include:

Age
Injuries
Taking a loss (opponents now see then as beatable increasing their confidence, they now see themselves as beatable which decreases their confidence, the path to victory against them becomes more clear, damage is taken.)

It can happen suddenly. We saw that with Liddell, Wanderlei, etc.

 

[gono btw]

Kanehara
, and Oyama are cans is not "disrespectful", it's realistic. Igor is another of my favorite old school fighters, and he has crushed more cans than both Fedor and Cro Cop combined.

It's just facts..

You seem to like this word, tho.... 'Fact'

Please teach me, Im a noob:

> How did you score Hughes vs Kanehara in Rings?

> How did you score Igor vs Avetisyan in IAFC ?

You called them 'cans', & I wanna know more, Im lost...

@gono btw
@Fioretti @GOAT. @Dr Guildo

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Since you wanna be entertained, check those threads where Fioretti aka Mcdego tried the same shit & had to tap:

> As mcdego [his alt account]:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...jones-or-fedor.4060907/page-14#post-157629725

> As fioretti:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...me-gsp-was-three-time-the-size.4114913/page-8

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/16-greatest-hw’s-of-all-time.4200132/page-11#post-165806545

 

[GOAT.]

After almost a week, your answer is that Hendo weighed in at 145 lbs for the 92 and 96 Olympics? That's incorrect. Try again, Nono.



You think Nono avoiding a question for a week is "putting in work"? Lol. You also that age 28-29 is physical peak for a man? That's the first year or so of their prime, and about 4-5 years off from peak, girl. Yes, at age 33 (this would be 2010 for Fedor, not 2011) they are peaking physically and mentally. You clearly don't know what that means. For you, 2005 is his "peak" because he fought Mirko and Nog in a 9 month span. That's not what "physical prime/peak" actually means though. That was the highlight of his career, sure, but not when he was physiologically at his strongest, just when he started to be. As I said before, kidd-o, it's science.

- "Muscle strength tends to peak at age 25 and then plateau until age 35. Between 35 and 45 years old, men are still considered to be young middle-aged. After 45 years old, a man may be considered past his prime."

-"Performance in athletic events, where skill and experience are important, tends to peak in the mid-30's."

I know you'll have trouble comprehending or processing this information, so I'll be around to fix your mistakes after you try to discredit or disregard facts again. Hey, before we get too far off from your last few mistakes, please tell me again how #2 Mirko was Hunt's most recent win before facing Fedor. That's a bit of a stretch and you seem to be trying to rewrite history a bit there, sport. Oh yeah, and I'm still waiting on them pics so you can show me how young, tough, and in-shape you are from such rigorous training. It might just scare me off too, amirite? Cheers, darlin.

Lol "information" is for morons who never trained, competed and experienced wear and tear that comes with intense competition. Screams fat, old loser who never trained.

Fedor had 23 fights in 4 years from 2000-2004. That's more than most fighters have in 10 years. In 2005 he was 27 years old, he was the world champion in premier org, he was at the half way point from starting his career to his first loss, his skills, his youth , his atheltics, and his experience were all peaking and he was fighting the biggest fights in his life against the best HWs of his era who were peaking too. All indicators that this was his peak. Unkess you're retarded you can grasp this. Like I said, only a fat, Fedor hating, basement dwelling loser like you would try to suggest he was still at his peak in Strikeforce 6 years later when he already lost in Sambo, struggling with Rogers and Bigfoot and losing to guys who couldn't beat Nog; 30+ fights, multiple surgeries and 10 years into his career. I bet you think Shogun was still in his prime at 33. I bet morons like you would say Sugar Ray Leonard was still at his peak when he couldn't win a fight past the age of 33. Dummy.Smh. KYS.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

TRT actually just evens the playing field (if not abused) for the older guys, but yeah, it's definitely beneficial, no doubt, and mostly anybody who did use it back then abused the shit out of it. That doesn't mean that Fedor wasn't on some shit too. Someone who is that far above their competition (who are all also on some shit) doesn't just get that way naturally, bro. Especially when you factor in the longevity Fedor had at the top. Granted, he wasn't consistently fighting top guys until later in his career, but still.

Scientifically, a man's physical prime is between the ages of 28 and 35. Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37 - depending on the individual-, and can often improve into their early to mid 40's if they change up their routine a bit. 32-33 is peak performance age/prime in MMA. I've done multiple threads on the ages of MMA champions throughout history when they acquired their belts, as well as the average age of current champions, and based on your response here, you'd be very surprised at the actual numbers.

Fedor didn't do that well in the US, and when he fought Werdum, it was the first time in his 30+ fight career that he faced 4 top 10 guys in a row. Coincidentally, it was also his fourth fight in a row on US soil, and he only fought in the US one other time prior to the Sylvia fight. This can't be ignored when evaluating.



I give credit to Fedor. I'm a fan of his, I'm just not delusional or biased towards him. I'm realistic about his career and what he did. My favorite fighter is Cro Cop. I'm well aware that he, too, was a can crusher who mainly fought in a Japan while juiced to the gills and didn't do well once he came to the US. It's ok to acknowledge reality and take things for what they are. So many MMA fans have this very peculiar complex of thinking that they can't say or acknowledge anything remotely negative about their favorite. It's fucking crazy.



You're literally one of the most pathetic users on Sherdog, bud. That says a lot. Like...a lot. It's been almost a week now? How much did Hendo weigh-in at the 92 and 96 Olympics?

TRT is usually needed, when a guy abused roids and his natural production declined.

Again, there is no indication Fedor used anything, just your baseless suspicions.

You wrote
Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37

I disagree with that.
Take ice hockey, which is a contact sport, but also relies heavy on speed and reflexes.

Brandner et al. (2014) demonstrate that peak age is between 27 and 28 for forwards and 28 and 29 for defenders and that both types of skaters exhibit near-peak performance over a wide range going from about 24 to about 34.

Soccer players also start to decline in the late 20s, early 30s.

You have to take into account that Fedor had crazy schedule, started early and had 33 wins in a row.
No surprise he started to decline earlier than DC and Stipe, who sarted much later and had considerably less fights.

 

[Fioretti]

A fighter exiting their prime can happen anytime in their 30s, IMO.

It doesn’t only have to be age related; it’s a convergence of factors, and can include:

Age
Injuries
Taking a loss (opponents now see then as beatable increasing their confidence, they now see themselves as beatable which decreases their confidence, the path to victory against them becomes more clear, damage is taken.)

It can happen suddenly. We saw that with Liddell, Wanderlei, etc.

There are many factors as to why and when you'll see dips in performance. It doesn't change physiological science. A man isn't "old" and "past his prime" at age 33. Men are peaking both mentally and physically in their early to mid 30s, especially in endurance sports. There is definitely truth to what you're saying here, and other factors that you haven't listed that may play a bigger role, but overall it comes down to the average MMA fan's misconception of what peak and prime actually mean. Individual personal bests do not equate to "physical prime". People making excuses for their favorite fighter losing at X age and chalking it up to "he has fight mileage" or "he's past his prime" doesn't make it true or the actual determining factor. More often than not, it's a combination of many things, most of which we're not even aware of. It's guesswork at best, and I'm just trying to shed light on the "physical prime" aspect of it, yet these rabidly fanatical and delusional fucktards can't comprehend shit that's beyond their basic adolescent level of understanding. Na'mean?

 

[Fioretti]

It´s over lil McDego, I acknowledged that Im a noob & dont know that answer.

Now it´s on you to educate me. Time to show your game, project that info of yours into Hendo´s MMA Career.

Waitin´.

We're still stuck at Hendo's Olympic weight. Try google and lmk. Maybe in another week we can pick up where you tapped out a week ago.

Lol "information" is for morons who never trained, competed and experienced wear and tear that comes with intense competition. Screams fat, old loser who never trained.

Fedor had 23 fights in 4 years from 2000-2004. That's more than most fighters have in 10 years. In 2005 he was 27 years old, he was the world champion in premier org, he was at the half way point from starting his career to his first loss, his skills, his youth , his atheltics, and his experience were all peaking and he was fighting the biggest fights in his life against the best HWs of his era who were peaking too. All indicators that this was his peak. Unkess you're retarded you can grasp this. Like I said, only a fat, Fedor hating, basement dwelling loser like you would try to suggest he was still at his peak in Strikeforce 6 years later when he already lost in Sambo, struggling with Rogers and Bigfoot and losing to guys who couldn't beat Nog; 30+ fights, multiple surgeries and 10 years into his career. I bet you think Shogun was still in his prime at 33. I bet morons like you would say Sugar Ray Leonard was still at his peak when he couldn't win a fight past the age of 33. Dummy.Smh. KYS.

For such a big fan of the guy, you don't even know his birthday. So weird. Maybe if you weren't so bitter and angry (my guess is it's because you're still a fat kid who lives at home) you might realize that you've been making multiple rookie mistakes while claiming to be some kind of authority on the subject.

Fedor was born in September of 1976, kidd-o. How was he 27 in 2005? Uh oh! Better change up your story again, huh? One more request: stop blowing a "kys" at me. I'm not into fat young boys. Thanks, homie.

 

[gono btw]

We're still stuck at Hendo's Olympic weight. Try google and lmk. Maybe in another week we can pick up where you tapped out a week ago.


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Ah... You told me Im not good at numbers & I agreed, more: I admitted that Im a noob.

I dont know the answer & cant use google, workin´right now, but I still want to be educated.

At a poker table, at one point you have to put your cards on the table, lil McDego...

You seem uneasy about completin´your narrative, tho... Seems a tall order to project Hendo´s wrasslin´ weight into his MMA career... I understand your duckin´...

 

[Fioretti]

TRT is usually needed, when a guy abused roids and his natural production declined.

Again, there is no indication Fedor used anything, just your baseless suspicions.

You wrote
Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37

I disagree with that.
Take ice hockey, which is a contact sport, but also relies heavy on speed and reflexes.

Brandner et al. (2014) demonstrate that peak age is between 27 and 28 for forwards and 28 and 29 for defenders and that both types of skaters exhibit near-peak performance over a wide range going from about 24 to about 34.

Soccer players also start to decline in the late 20s, early 30s.

You have to take into account that Fedor had crazy schedule, started early and had 33 wins in a row.
No surprise he started to decline earlier than DC and Stipe, who sarted much later and had considerably less fights.

TRT was used by anyone who could get an exemption. Again, they're all doing whatever the fuck they can to can any slight advantage. That's the way it's always been in MMA. This shit was built on PEDs and juice. Fedor fought where there was no testing and where PEDs were encouraged. He reigned for a long time at the top of the toughest division while being undersized and demonstrated superior strength, speed, cardio, endurance, and reflexes over his competition. The fact that his declined coincided with consistent top competition in organizations that had PED testing are all pretty good indicators. Is it 100% guaranteed that he was on some shit? No, of course not, but it's not 100% guaranteed that he wasn't either. Common sense and a glimpse of knowledge what the business/sport is actually like would tell you that it's more likely than not that he (and every other fighter) was on something at some point. Just be real, bro. Who cares if he's your favorite, it doesn't make him exempt.

Male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around ages 35-37. That's true. Hockey is not an endurance sport. Even in your example it shows ages 24-34 for near-peak in hockey players. Males in general peak between 28-35. This doesn't mean every male ever in existence, just the majority. That is when their muscle strength, density, and mass are at their peak, along with their mental awareness, speed, and reflexes.

Fedor had only 27 wins in a row, not 33.

 

[Fioretti]

Ah... You told me Im not good at numbers & I agreed, more: I admitted that Im a noob.

I dont know the answer & cant use google, workin´right now, but I still want to be educated.

At a poker table, at one point you have to put your cards on the table, lil McDego...

You seem uneasy about completin´your narrative, tho... Seems a tall order to project Hendo´s wrasslin´ weight into his MMA career... I understand your duckin´...

I don't have to show my cards if you keep foldin, Nono. You seem to not understand multiple concepts. Keep betting and folding though, I'll take your money all day. Lmk!

 

[gono btw]

I don't have to show my cards if you keep foldin, Nono. You seem to not understand multiple concepts. Keep betting and folding though, I'll take your money all day. Lmk!

Since I sent you an answer [145 lbs] in that obscure Tournament, that you deemed wrong, & dont wanna correct me but would rather repeat ad nauseam the same question, my understandin´ is that you dont have what it takes to complete your narrative, Mcdego.

It iz what it iz.

 

[Fioretti]

Since I sent you an answer [145 lbs] in that obscure Tournament, that you deemed wrong, & dont wanna correct me but would rather repeat ad nauseam the same question, my understandin´ is that you dont have what it takes to complete your narrative, Mcdego.

It iz what it iz.

My narrative? I just asked you a question a week ago and you've been panic posting ever since. Why are you so afraid?

Oh noez I made typo about his age in 2005. You lame ass loser lol dodging anything you can't address lmaaoo kys

Was it a typo? Are you sure? Unlike you children, I actually address every point you try to make and counter it with facts. Get good, fella. What happened to you correcting your other mistakes? You know, like when you said Hunt's most recent win was #2 Mirko? Was that a typo too? Still waitin on them pics too, sweetheart, I didn't forget. Hugs and kysses.

 

[gono btw]

My narrative? I just asked you a question a week ago and you've been panic posting ever since. Why are you so afraid?

I answered & you dont wanna correct my answer. Strange since you´re correctin´ someone above...
My bad luck...

Then I admitted that Im a noob & dont know the answer, & you´re still playin´the same cheap game...

It iz what it iz.

Meanwhile, ITT I asked you 2 questions:

You seem to like this word, tho.... 'Fact'

Please teach me, Im a noob:

> How did you score Hughes vs Kanehara in Rings?

> How did you score Igor vs Avetisyan in IAFC ?

& no answer...

Anyway, lil McDego Fiorretti, the truth is that this is what you always do, run away like a coward.
Your Modus operandi: you always go to wiki, find some kind of 'info.' without any real knowledge about the context, & try to twist it ad nauseam.

You wanna know why you do that? Because even though you are an MMA fan, you´re not a NHB fan. Never was.
You never watched those Igor fights in IAFC for instance... Never watched Kanehara in Rings when he made his name.
But... you call them 'can' or 'can-crusher'...

That´s why you talk about all those things you´re clueless about., like a textbook accountant.

NHB fans were from the streets, not middleclass nerds like ya.


Anyway, gonna show you how one plays the Question/Answer game...

@icemun said:

Perhaps, but the latter part of his career in his 40s was at MW
ie. when he fought Fedor

I countered:

Nah, there´s no 'perhaps', unless you can prove otherwise.

Meanwhile, even if you acknowledge Hendo as a MW, you still have to admit that Fedor was/is no natural HW...

Icemun pretended he didnt understand my challenge, somehow...

This is what I was expectin´from him: Hendo´s weight legacy, Career-wise:
If he can counter with legit Tales of The Tape, then let´s check...

kindah tricky...

> BRAZIL OPEN FIGHT 1997: 2 Fights @ 'LW' [80 kg (175 lbs) = WW]

Spoiler

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> Rings : 5 fights @ LHW [90 kg (198 lbs)]

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> 1st UFC run : 2 fights @ MW/LHW [193 lbs]... UFC´s MW Div. = [170-199.9 lbs] (HW Div.= >200 lbs)

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> Pride : 18 fights, & some variation here:
- 5 fights @ MW [Pride´s WW GP] > vs Busta 2: @ 183 lbs

Spoiler

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- 13 fights @ LHW [Pride´s MW GP] > vs Kondo : @ 199 lbs / vs Nakamura : @ 195 lbs etc

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> 2nd UFC run : 2 fights @ LHW + 3 fights @ MW

> Strikeforce : 1 fight @ MW + 2 @ LHW + 1 @ HW

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> 3rd UFC run: 6 fights @ LHW + 5 @ MW

Reminder: a natural weight is not a static concept, it evolves accordin´ to several factors.
For instance, Vitor Gracie started his NHB career as a LHW/HW [199 lbs vs Wand, 230 vs Charles].
Sure, today most people would consider him a natural MW because of the way that weight div. evolved, but back in the day nobody would have said that.

Spoiler: Weight Classes in Rings Japan...

This was right around the time Hendo participated in that historical Rings KoK OpenWeight Tournament, @ ... 90 kg

On the other hand, someone like Kerr, who wrassled @ 177 lbs, decided to bulk up & became a huge, feared HW when he made his debut in WVC, Brazil. The reason why he bulked up [PEDs]: he was scared to death of the Vale Tudo scene [confirmed by his manager Hamilton]


Now, this is how UFC made the transition back then, @ UFC 26:

Spoiler: Weight Classes in UFC...

In short, the OW Fight Configuration shaped a whole generation of fighters.

Context & understandin´of the evolution of this game are...everythin´...

 

[Fioretti]

I answered & you dont wanna correct my answer. Strange since you´re correctin´ someone above...
My bad luck...

Then I admitted that Im a noob & dont know the answer, & you´re still playin´the same cheap game...

It iz what it iz.

Meanwhile, ITT I asked you 2 questions:




& no answer...

Anyway, lil McDego Fiorretti, the truth is that this is what you always do, run away like a coward.
Your Modus operandi: you always go to wiki, find some kind of 'info.' without any real knowledge about the context, & try to twist it ad nauseam.

You wanna know why you do that? Because even though you are an MMA fan, you´re not a NHB fan. Never was.
You never watched those Igor fights in IAFC for instance... Never watched Kanehara in Rings when he made his name.
But... you call them 'can' or 'can-crusher'...

That´s why you talk about all those things you´re clueless about., like a textbook accountant.

NHB fans were from the streets, not middleclass nerds like ya.


Anyway, gonna show you how one plays the Question/Answer game...

@icemun said:



I countered:



Icemun pretended he didnt understand my challenge, somehow...

This is what I was expectin´from him: Hendo´s weight legacy, Career-wise:
If he can counter with legit Tales of The Tape, then let´s check...




Reminder: a natural weight is not a static concept, it evolves accordin´ to several factors.
For instance, Vitor Gracie started his NHB career as a LHW/HW [199 lbs vs Wand, 230 vs Charles].
Sure, today most people would consider him a natural MW because of the way that weight div. evolved, but back in the day nobody would have said that.

Spoiler: Weight Classes in Rings Japan...

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This was right around the time Hendo participated in that historical Rings KoK OpenWeight Tournament, @ ... 90 kg

On the other hand, someone like Kerr, who wrassled @ 177 lbs, decided to bulk up & became a huge, feared HW when he made his debut in WVC, Brazil. The reason why he bulked up [PEDs]: he was scared to death of the Vale Tudo scene [confirmed by his manager Hamilton]


Now, this is how UFC made the transition back then, @ UFC 26:

Spoiler: Weight Classes in UFC...

View attachment 877530

In short, the OW Fight Configuration shaped a whole generation of fighters.

Context & understandin´of the evolution of this game are...everythin´...

Oh, cool. So....how much did Hendo weigh-in at for the 92 and 96 Olympics?