Fedor Throwback

[Fioretti]

You have to agree that TRT is a huge advantage.
Hendo declined tremendously after he stopped using it.

Most clean athletes decline after 30.
Especially speed and reflexes decline first.
Fedor had 33 fights in MMA, and numerous Combat Sambo, Sambo and Judo matches.

Fedor did well in US, he declined after taking a beating from known PED cheaters Werdum, Bigfoot and TRT Hendo.

TRT actually just evens the playing field (if not abused) for the older guys, but yeah, it's definitely beneficial, no doubt, and mostly anybody who did use it back then abused the shit out of it. That doesn't mean that Fedor wasn't on some shit too. Someone who is that far above their competition (who are all also on some shit) doesn't just get that way naturally, bro. Especially when you factor in the longevity Fedor had at the top. Granted, he wasn't consistently fighting top guys until later in his career, but still.

Scientifically, a man's physical prime is between the ages of 28 and 35. Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37 - depending on the individual-, and can often improve into their early to mid 40's if they change up their routine a bit. 32-33 is peak performance age/prime in MMA. I've done multiple threads on the ages of MMA champions throughout history when they acquired their belts, as well as the average age of current champions, and based on your response here, you'd be very surprised at the actual numbers.

Fedor didn't do that well in the US, and when he fought Werdum, it was the first time in his 30+ fight career that he faced 4 top 10 guys in a row. Coincidentally, it was also his fourth fight in a row on US soil, and he only fought in the US one other time prior to the Sylvia fight. This can't be ignored when evaluating.

Fedor was fed up. How easily he dropped trt-Hendo when being that far away from his prime. Hendo got lucky and Fedor would have probably won that fight when Hendo woke him up after that flash KO, seriously. Fedor went headhunting mode after his 10 years domination in HW and gave Hendo his biggest win of his lifetime.

Just give credit to the man. Fedor were fearless and the most entertaining and skilled HW all time. Your favourite fighters will agree to this and you should aswell.

I give credit to Fedor. I'm a fan of his, I'm just not delusional or biased towards him. I'm realistic about his career and what he did. My favorite fighter is Cro Cop. I'm well aware that he, too, was a can crusher who mainly fought in a Japan while juiced to the gills and didn't do well once he came to the US. It's ok to acknowledge reality and take things for what they are. So many MMA fans have this very peculiar complex of thinking that they can't say or acknowledge anything remotely negative about their favorite. It's fucking crazy.

Sure... But what is legit more pathetic: Gono´ or lil Fioretti usin´his
alt account McDego to give him likes durin´debates, like many posters acknowledged...?

You're literally one of the most pathetic users on Sherdog, bud. That says a lot. Like...a lot. It's been almost a week now? How much did Hendo weigh-in at the 92 and 96 Olympics?

 

[Dr Guildo]

TRT actually just evens the playing field (if not abused) for the older guys, but yeah, it's definitely beneficial, no doubt, and mostly anybody who did use it back then abused the shit out of it. That doesn't mean that Fedor wasn't on some shit too. Someone who is that far above their competition (who are all also on some shit) doesn't just get that way naturally, bro. Especially when you factor in the longevity Fedor had at the top. Granted, he wasn't consistently fighting top guys until later in his career, but still.

Scientifically, a man's physical prime is between the ages of 28 and 35. Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37 - depending on the individual-, and can often improve into their early to mid 40's if they change up their routine a bit. 32-33 is peak performance age/prime in MMA. I've done multiple threads on the ages of MMA champions throughout history when they acquired their belts, as well as the average age of current champions, and based on your response here, you'd be very surprised at the actual numbers.

Fedor didn't do that well in the US, and when he fought Werdum, it was the first time in his 30+ fight career that he faced 4 top 10 guys in a row. Coincidentally, it was also his fourth fight in a row on US soil, and he only fought in the US one other time prior to the Sylvia fight. This can't be ignored when evaluating.



I give credit to Fedor. I'm a fan of his, I'm just not delusional or biased towards him. I'm realistic about his career and what he did. My favorite fighter is Cro Cop. I'm well aware that he, too, was a can crusher who mainly fought in a Japan while juiced to the gills and didn't do well once he came to the US. It's ok to acknowledge reality and take things for what they are. So many MMA fans have this very peculiar complex of thinking that they can't say or acknowledge anything remotely negative about their favorite. It's fucking crazy.



You're literally one of the most pathetic users on Sherdog, bud. That says a lot. Like...a lot. It's been almost a week now? How much did Hendo weigh-in at the 92 and 96 Olympics?

In fighting mileage Fedor were old when he went USA. 10 years of domination against worlds best HW's while also going undefeated in Sambo for the same time will of course make you satisfied. Then go on and beat the former UFC champ in 30 seconds and knocking out two top 10 fighters inside 3 rounds.

Fedor never were a cautious fighter, he beat people on their strengths. And your Steroid accusations are just silly. He got tested and there is nothing that points too that he took PEDs against opponents who did not. He won over obvious PED users and never made a thing about it.

By the way calling CroCop can-crusher is very disrespecting. CroCop beat people that would have been able to knock out any HW's that has ever lived. People like Igor Vovchanchyn were no joke. You just seem recency-biased. Don't piss on legends in this sport.

 

[Dr Guildo]

Scientifically, a man's physical prime is between the ages of 28 and 35. Most male endurance athletes start seeing speed and reflex declines around 35-37 - depending on the individual-, and can often improve into their early to mid 40's if they change up their routine a bit. 32-33 is peak performance age/prime in MMA

This is pure nonsense. Wear and tear is a factor you seem to ignore.

 

[Fioretti]

In fighting mileage Fedor were old when he went USA. 10 years of domination against worlds best HW's while also going undefeated in Sambo for the same time will of course make you satisfied. Then go on and beat the former UFC champ in 30 seconds and knocking out two top 10 fighters inside 3 rounds.

Fedor never were a cautious fighter, he beat people on their strengths. And your Steroid accusations are just silly. He got tested and there is nothing that points too that he took PEDs against opponents who did not. He won over obvious PED users and never made a thing about it.

By the way calling CroCop can-crusher is very disrespecting. CroCop beat people that would have been able to knock out any HW's that has ever lived. People like Igor Vovchanchyn were no joke. You just seem recency-biased. Don't piss on legends in this sport.

More than 70% of the people Fedor fought in his first 30 fights were not top 10. He wasn't fighting the "world's best" for 10 years. He was mainly fighting in freakshow fights, or against cans and non top 10 opponents. He did this while fighting in Japan where they not only didn't test for PEDs, but encouraged their use. To pretend that the number 1 HW in the world (who was obliterating most of his opponents with superior speed, strength, and reflexes while being undersized for the division) was somehow one of the only "clean" fighters is just straight naive. They were/are all on some shit. It's essentially mandatory. Just because he never pissed hot doesn't mean he wasn't on some shit. He had 30+ fights under his belt before he even had to take a drug test, man. Wtf are you trying to push here? Just be real.

Cro Cop is my favorite fighter, brother. He was a can crusher at times too, but fought better competition more often than Fedor did in the earlier days. Yes, he has some amazing and impressive wins. Yes, he's an awesome fighter. That's why he's my favorite. I like his style and headkick KO's. For me to acknowledge that Nagata, Dos Caras Jr, Yamamoto, Kanehara, and Oyama are cans is not "disrespectful", it's realistic. Igor is another of my favorite old school fighters, and he has crushed more cans than both Fedor and Cro Cop combined. It's just facts. Recency bias? How am I portraying recency bias by stating and acknowledging facts? The Japanese loved to put on shitty, irrelevant, and freakshow fights for their entertainment. Was it fun to watch? Of course it was, but let's put the pussy on a pedestal here and pretend it was more significant than it was. Can crushing is can crushing. Top 5 ranked HWs shouldn't be fighting anybody outside of the top 10 ever, let alone guys who are 0-1 in MMA.

 

[Fioretti]

This is pure nonsense. Wear and tear is a factor you seem to ignore.

Am I ignoring it? Fedor had a few hand injuries along the way. What other major injuries did he have? How much damage was he taking in his fights? The man still fights to this day, in his 40's. How much wear and tear do you personally feel he had accumulated by the time he was 33 years old? Please elaborate on how ALLLL that damage somehow magically made him out instantly fall out of his physical prime (against science) right after two of the best wins of his career where he finished top 10 guys in the first round.

I'll wait.

 

[Dr Guildo]

Am I ignoring it? Fedor had a few hand injuries along the way. What other major injuries did he have? How much damage was he taking in his fights? The man still fights to this day, in his 40's. How much wear and tear do you personally feel he had accumulated by the time he was 33 years old? Please elaborate on how ALLLL that damage somehow magically made him out instantly fall out of his physical prime (against science) right after two of the best wins of his career where he finished top 10 guys in the first round.

I'll wait.

You will have to wait an unspecified amount of time because i realize you might not be worth wasting time on : )

 

[gono btw]

You're literally one of the most pathetic users on Sherdog, bud. That says a lot. Like...a lot. It's been almost a week now? How much did Hendo weigh-in at the 92 and 96 Olympics?

Sure... But what is legit more pathetic: Gono´ or lil Fioretti usin´his
alt account McDego to give him likes durin´debates, like many posters acknowledged...?

 

[Fioretti]

You will have to wait an unspecified amount of time because i realize you might not be worth wasting time on : )

Oh, is that what it is? Ok, friend.

ll

A week, right? Damn, bro, you're not so good with numbers. Lmk

 

[Dr Guildo]

Oh, is that what it is? Ok, friend.

ll

A week, right? Damn, bro, you're not so good with numbers. Lmk

Whatever you say (against science) bro

 

[gono btw]

Oh, is that what it is? Ok, friend.

ll

A week, right? Damn, bro, you're not so good with numbers. Lmk

Edit your shit, McDego Fioretti.. You couldnt even quote me the right way...

 

[Fioretti]

Whatever you say (against science) bro

33 years old is right at a man's physical prime. To say that he was somehow magically out of his prime, right after two of his most impressive performances, is an incorrect statement, and goes against the scientific definition of a man's physical prime. Even more so when you consider the sport of MMA has ages 32-33 as peak performance/prime.

 

[Fioretti]

Edit your shit, McDego Fioretti.. You couldnt even quote me the right way...

Yeah, that's what happens when stubborn little girls don't answer questions and use only quotes as responses. Is normal. Lmk bout Hendo's Olympic weight, brah. You know, whenever you can figure it out.

 

[Dr Guildo]

33 years old is right at a man's physical prime. To say that he was somehow magically out of his prime, right after two of his most impressive performances, is an incorrect statement, and goes against the scientific definition of a man's physical prime. Even more so when you consider the sport of MMA has ages 32-33 as peak performance/prime.

Are you kidding me? Do you actually think a person enters a physical prime when they are 33 years old?

It depends on what the body has gone through. A person who breaks his neck at 26 years old wont enter physical prime in 33 years old. A person who has done martial arts since they were young can take all kind of damage on the body that will wear out parts of the body. Michael Owen were the best football player on earth when he were 20 years old. Two years later he had suffer injuries that made him barely top 10. Van Basten were the best attacker and he needed to retire at 28 years old - then we have another player Milito that reached his prime at 28.

You are too simple minded. Everyone is unique and everyone heals differently from injuries. Someone who have put their bodies to the extreme from 5 years old will have permanent damage on their bodies compared to someone who started at 20 years.

Your 'Scientifical fact' is just a general assumption assuming same history same wear and tear same physics etc. You cant use it when comparing someone who has been pro-fighting for 20 years against someone who has not. Or someone who has competed a little for 10 years against someone who have competed alot for 10 years. That 'scientifical fact' that people are in their physical prime at 33 is complete nonsense when considering a whole lot of factors.

 

[Dr Guildo]

Feeling stupid to have wasted more time on this nonsense. : S. Fioretti, continue as you will, have it that you won the discussion or whatever, i leave this discussion

 

[GOAT.]

Fedor went 3-3 the first time he faced 6 top 10 opponents in a row. It just so happened to coincide with 6 straight fights in the USA (with testing) and a man's physical prime.

Your childish "thirsty" and "kys" comments don't change facts or reality, kidd-o. Still waiting for them pics so you can show us all how tough, young, and in shape you are because you "train" so much. Get it, girl.

Thanks for once again demonstrating you're a moron and a fat basement dweller who never trained or been with a woman.

Fedor won the world HW title and then won his next 18 consecutive fights and in those 18 fights he beat top 2 Nog, top 2 Mirko, top 2 AA , top 4 Sylvia , top 10 Hunt who's most recent win was #2 Mirko, top 10 Rogers who just beat #2 AA, Coleman who just beat Shogun, Randleman who just beat #3 Mirko and Lindland who just had a razor thin split decision loss Rampage who won the UFC LHW title two fights later and many people through Lindland won that.

Fedor started fighting in 2000 and lost in 2010 after becoming champion and basically having 18 title defenses. To suggest he lost only because he "started fighting good competition " is intellectually dishonest. From 2000-2004 Fedor fought 23 fights dumbass. If you had ever trained or been an athlete you would understand what happens to an athlete after such a schedule.


KYS peasant

 

[Fioretti]

Are you kidding me? Do you actually think a person enters a physical prime when they are 33 years old?

It depends on what the body has gone through. A person who breaks his neck at 26 years old wont enter physical prime in 33 years old. A person who has done martial arts since they were young can take all kind of damage on the body that will wear out parts of the body. Michael Owen were the best football player on earth when he were 20 years old. Two years later he had suffer injuries that made him barely top 10. Van Basten were the best attacker and he needed to retire at 28 years old - then we have another player Milito that reached his prime at 28.

You are too simple minded. Everyone is unique and everyone heals differently from injuries. Someone who have put their bodies to the extreme from 5 years old will have permanent damage on their bodies compared to someone who started at 20 years.

Your 'Scientifical fact' is just a general assumption assuming same history same wear and tear same physics etc. You cant use it when comparing someone who has been pro-fighting for 20 years against someone who has not. Or someone who has competed a little for 10 years against someone who have competed alot for 10 years. That 'scientifical fact' that people are in their physical prime at 33 is complete nonsense when considering a whole lot of factors.

You wrote all of that, but didn't bother to list of all Fedor's injuries that he acquired over the years? Yes, it varies from individual to individual, as I previously stated, but the scientific classification doesn't change. I also didn't say people "enter their prime" at 33, I said the classification is 28-35 years old, with peak being 32-33 for MMA. The scientific classification refers to when men are typically at their peak muscle mass and density. Mass can keep going until almost 50. Speed and reflexes typically fall off after 35, and endurance can stay longer than even muscle mass in most cases.

Fedor's worst injuries were to his hands, and the man almost exclusively throws bombs still to this day, so those particular injuries aren't really hindering his performance, are they? I'm well aware of how training for so long takes its toll on the body. That's why most, if not all, of these guys have to take PEDs and/or steroids throughout their careers.

 

[Fioretti]

Thanks for once again demonstrating you're a moron and a fat basement dweller who never trained or been with a woman.

Fedor won the world HW title and then won his next 18 consecutive fights and in those 18 fights he beat top 2 Nog, top 2 Mirko, top 2 AA , top 4 Sylvia , top 10 Hunt who's most recent win was #2 Mirko, top 10 Rogers who just beat #2 AA, Coleman who just beat Shogun, Randleman who just beat #3 Mirko and Lindland who just had a razor thin split decision loss Rampage who won the UFC LHW title two fights later and many people through Lindland won that.

Fedor started fighting in 2000 and lost in 2010 after becoming champion and basically having 18 title defenses. To suggest he lost only because he "started fighting good competition " is intellectually dishonest. From 2000-2004 Fedor fought 23 fights dumbass. If you had ever trained or been an athlete you would understand what happens to an athlete after such a schedule.


KYS peasant

He had 9 top 10 wins in his first 33 fights. 10 if you count Hunt, who was 5-2 in MMA at the time and coming off a loss. Only 3 of those fights were actual defenses, not 18. You're fucking delusional. Do the math, genius. Less than 30% of his first 33 fights were against top 10 fighters. He spent 70% of his career at that point fighting freakshows, cans, and non top 10 guys.

He went 3-1 the first time he fought 4 top 10 guys in a row, that's a fact. He went 3-3 (50%) the first time he fought 6 in a row. One of those 6, Hendo, wasn't even top 10 at HW, and Rogers literally just entered at #10 for beating Arlovski. Those are facts, kid.

Still waiting on them tiddy pics. What's matter? Shy?

 

[Fioretti]

Thanks for once again demonstrating you're a moron and a fat basement dweller who never trained or been with a woman.

Fedor won the world HW title and then won his next 18 consecutive fights and in those 18 fights he beat top 2 Nog, top 2 Mirko, top 2 AA , top 4 Sylvia , top 10 Hunt who's most recent win was #2 Mirko, top 10 Rogers who just beat #2 AA, Coleman who just beat Shogun, Randleman who just beat #3 Mirko and Lindland who just had a razor thin split decision loss Rampage who won the UFC LHW title two fights later and many people through Lindland won that.

Fedor started fighting in 2000 and lost in 2010 after becoming champion and basically having 18 title defenses. To suggest he lost only because he "started fighting good competition " is intellectually dishonest. From 2000-2004 Fedor fought 23 fights dumbass. If you had ever trained or been an athlete you would understand what happens to an athlete after such a schedule.


KYS peasant

Oh, by the way, all those ranking numbers you pulled out of your ass are wrong. Might wanna do some homework, slick.

 

[GOAT.]

Oh, by the way, all those ranking numbers you pulled out of your ass are wrong. Might wanna do some homework, slick.

Kys

 

[Fioretti]

Kys

You blowin kisses now? That's sweet, girl.