Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[snugglecakes]

You can tear your ACL going for a takedown on a can just as easily as you could going for a takedown on a top guy.

What happened to Aspinalls knee against Blaydes could have easily happened against a can. The more you fight the greater the risk is of this happening. This is why I don't criticize active fighters.

The same way you can break your hands punching a can in the head just as easily as you would punching a top guy in the head.

How am I liar lol? What about this untrue?

This is why I don't criticize a fighter who beats a top guy and crushes 2 cans that same year. I'd rather have that than to wait a whole year to see them fight again.

Yeah cause injuries only happen when you are attacking right? There has never in the history of humanity been an injury caused your opponent attacking you Innit?

okay fine let’s discuss injuries from botched offense. You’re totally just as likely to break your hand punching mark hunt’s bowling ball hard head as you are from punching James Vick’s rubber squishy weak gets KOed by gust of wind head huh? You’re just as likely to injure yur leg getting leg kick checked by Anderson or Jon’s chicken skinny legs as you are from being leg kick checked by Francis’s giant tree trunk thick legs huh?

 

[The Last King]

Weidman broke his leg on Urijah Halls leg which isn't as big as Ngannous leg.

Fighters break their hands on almost every card and they're not punching Mark Hunt.

This is because this is a full contact sport. Fedor who had 23 full contact fights in 4 years had a greater chance of getting injured than someone who fights once a year and thus he had more mileage by the time he was 33 than Randy and DC who had ZERO fights at that age.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand lol

 

[Ibm]

Wow Fedor has such underrated speed.

 

[campbecc]

It is impossible to know who would have won a hypothetical fight, but I would give Prime Fedor a better than average chance against any other fighter I've ever seen.

 

[campbecc]

Wow Fedor has such underrated speed.

I remember there was an interview with both Cro Cop and Nog where they said the reason he beat them was he was too explosive. They basically said he went from 0 to 100 so fast that by the time they realized what he was doing it was too late.

Edit: And of course the downside to having that ability is you don't age well when your style is based on being explosive.

 

[Fioretti]

I remember there was an interview with both Cro Cop and Nog where they said the reason he beat them was he was too explosive. They basically said he went from 0 to 100 so fast that by the time they realized what he was doing it was too late.

Edit: And of course the downside to having that ability is you don't age well when your style is based on being explosive.

Yet, he still knocks out subpar competition with his speed and power. Weird.

 

[snugglecakes]

Weidman broke his leg on Urijah Halls leg which isn't as big as Ngannous leg.

Fighters break their hands on almost every card and they're not punching Mark Hunt.

This is because this is a full contact sport. Fedor who had 23 full contact fights in 4 years had a greater chance of getting injured than someone who fights once a year and thus he had more mileage by the time he was 33 than Randy and DC who had ZERO fights at that age.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand lol

well hall is a middleweight and Francis is a HW. I assumed you would be smart enough to connect the dots that the botched strikes that led to injury came from somebody in the same weight class as the opponent but once again I overestimated you.

you’re just as likely to get injured from shooting in on olympic wrestler who will immediately stuff it causing even more strain and pressure on yur joints as you are from shooting in on a CM punkish can will will go to his back smoothly with zero resistance huh?

you’re totally just as likely to get concussed by CM punks pillow fisty baby weak punches as you are from a nuclear shot from like paul daily or a pre usada diesel juicy big rig hendrix huh? Oh wait I forgot. Injuries only happen from botched attacks n never from being attacked huh

 

[campbecc]

Yet, he still knocks out subpar competition with his speed and power. Weird.

I guess UFC champions are subpar because he beat them in or near his prime.

 

[Pridewasbetter4sure]

While I do hold Pride being better largelly and Fedor the best Heavyweight ever. Prime Fedor would be top 10 today for sure but not champ.

I am sure Ngannou would be too hard for him to takedown and he would lose to Ngannou standing. Ngannou also has a gas tank since the first Stipe fight and has a decent clinch game and is good at takedowns as well he can also submit people but he would not even try to submit Fedor. Just keep it standing. I tried to be a Ngannou hater but he keeps winning and destroying people his performance vs Gane was good considering he had a blown MCL and ACL injury in that fight and immediately after the fighr gor surgery that has rendered him unable to fight for 1 year. Also the reality is Ngannou is pretty technical people who say he isnt just spam the Rozenstruck fight but in general he has great timing, and set ups. He is effective at catching people, controlling the distance to allow his long arms the range he needs or space to wind up power and hit people. He also is great in the clinch

Fedor likely submits Gane. Gane got exposed in the grappling. If Pavlovich displays high level grappling than he is the only other current HW I would favor over Prime Fedor. As Pavlovich is basically Fedor 2.0, he is a sambo fighter by training and background he just has yet to display Sambo takedowns and grappling. Blaydes could beat Fedor and he would be too hard to submit and takedown and standing a hard hitting 260lbs Blaydes has a chance. The rest of the HW division is just not as well rounded as Fedor or dangerous. HW 8 years ago was more dangerous for a prime Fedor as you had Prime Werdum, Stipe, JDS and sort of Cain of which all could give Fedor issues especially Stipe and Werdum did show he could beat Fedor at least on the ground. Aspinall is well rounded and a BJJ black belt and good wrestler but I got Fedor outstriking him. I have not been so impressed by Aspinalls striking. Everyone else is literally variations of Arlovski, Cro Cop, Sylvia or Rogers

 

[Fioretti]

I guess UFC champions are subpar because he beat them in or near his prime.

Tim Johnson was never a UFC champ. Being intentionally obtuse or ignorant doesn't mean Fedro was out of his prime at 33. Sorry, guys. He was still fast and powerful when he lost, and continues to be over a decade later.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Tim Johnson was never a UFC champ. Being intentionally obtuse or ignorant doesn't mean Fedro was out of his prime at 33. Sorry, guys. He was still fast and powerful when he lost, and continues to be over a decade later.

He was fast against Maldo...problem is, when you stand with your left hand on your thigh and lunge right in, a good boxer can time a simple, straight right that lands perfectly and sends you tumbling like a drunk.


I'm sure every fanboy in here thought a ko was imminent when he was firing his trademark wide hooks and looping shots in rapud suuccessuon on a covering up Naldonado.

 

[Fioretti]

He was fast against Maldo...problem is, when you stand with your left hand on your thigh and lunge right in, a good boxer can time a simple, straight right that lands perfectly and sends you tumbling like a drunk.


I'm sure every fanboy in here thought a ko was imminent when he was firing his trademark wide hooks and looping shots in rapud suuccessuon on a covering up Naldonado.

He's still fast today in his mid 40s. These fanatics just bounce from one thing to the next, throwing as much shit at the wall as they can, hoping something sticks. So many contradictions, so many bullshit theories an narratives. It's nutty as fuck. Then they go on to predict all these hypothetical fantasy fights and tell you with absolute certainty how they would go.

Pure fucking madness.

 

[The Last King]

He's still fast today in his mid 40s. These fanatics just bounce from one thing to the next, throwing as much shit at the wall as they can, hoping something sticks. So many contradictions, so many bullshit theories an narratives. It's nutty as fuck. Then they go on to predict all these hypothetical fantasy fights and tell you with absolute certainty how they would go.

Pure fucking madness.

Fedor is still fast today in his mid 40s because hes the fastest HW ever. Hes still a slug compared to what he used to be at 27 in terms of movement and reaction time.

Kobe Bryant was still good enough at 39 years old to score 60 points in his final game. Morons like would say "he's still as good today as he was when he was 27 because he just scored 60 points."

Smh. Imagine having to explain this to a grown man.

 

[The Last King]

Yeah cause injuries only happen when you are attacking right? There has never in the history of humanity been an injury caused your opponent attacking you Innit?

okay fine let’s discuss injuries from botched offense. You’re totally just as likely to break your hand punching mark hunt’s bowling ball hard head as you are from punching James Vick’s rubber squishy weak gets KOed by gust of wind head huh? You’re just as likely to injure yur leg getting leg kick checked by Anderson or Jon’s chicken skinny legs as you are from being leg kick checked by Francis’s giant tree trunk thick legs huh?

Christ I didn't say injuries only happen when you're attacking. Imagine reading my post and walking away with that as the main point. Injuries happen in all kinds of ways in a full contact sport.

But you tried to spin it like Randy and DC had more mileage on them by the age of 33 with zero pro fights than Fedor had on him at 33 years old with 30 pro fights just because of their amateur wrestling lol - completely dismissing the fact that Fedor did Judo since he was 10 and was on the national team.

Then you said that fighting cans 5x a year is supposedly less injury prone than fighting top fighters once year which isn't true. Fedor had 23 fights in 4 years. Even if half of those fights were against cans, such a schedule would still be more injury prone- causing more MILEAGE than having 4 fights in 4 years agaisnt top 5 HWs.

It's absurd that I even have to explain this lol

PS don't bring up Randys fake ass boxing career from the army ever again. That shit was the equivalent of sparring. Not on box rec. Didn't fight not one fighter with a real amateuer/ professional career. That's why there isn't any in depth info on who he fought, no wiki info. Don't ever bring that up again sir.

 

[snugglecakes]

Christ I didn't say injuries only happen when you're attacking. Imagine reading my post and walking away with that as the main point. Injuries happen in all kinds of ways in a full contact sport.

But you tried to spin it like Randy and DC had more mileage on them by the age of 33 with zero pro fights than Fedor had on him at 33 years old with 30 pro fights just because of their amateur wrestling lol - completely dismissing the fact that Fedor did Judo since he was 10 and was on the national team.

Then you said that fighting cans 5x a year is supposedly less injury prone than fighting top fighters once year which isn't true. Fedor had 23 fights in 4 years. Even if half of those fights were against cans, such a schedule would still be more injury prone- causing more MILEAGE than having 4 fights in 4 years agaisnt top 5 HWs.

It's absurd that I even have to explain this lol

PS don't bring up Randys fake ass boxing career from the army ever again. That shit was the equivalent of sparring. Not on box rec. Didn't fight not one fighter with a real amateuer/ professional career. That's why there isn't any in depth info on who he fought, no wiki info. Don't ever bring that up again sir.

You basically insinuated injuries only happen from Botched offense from only using examples of fucking yur knees up shooting takedowns

p.s. don’t bring up fedors fakenass judo and or Sambo career ever again. That shit was the equivalent of hopscotch. Don’t bring up his fake ass pride fights either. That shit is the equivalent of wwe with the ear piece wearing ref

 

[The Last King]

You basically insinuated injuries only happen from Botched offense from only using examples of fucking yur knees up shooting takedowns

p.s. don’t bring up fedors fakenass judo career ever again. That shit was the equivalent of hopscotch

You're the equivalent of the other rats in this thread who make up lies after they get stomped out with facts.

Fedor was on the Russian national Judo team and won a bronze medal at the nationals. This is documented and you can see it on Wikipedia.

You can't see anything about Randys "boxing" on Wikipedia. He sparred with some jarhead bums in the military. It's no coincidence that you conveniently say Fedors judo career was fake but try to refer to Randys "boxing" career as a relevant form of combat lol. This is what shill desperation looks like.

The same way you gave credit to DC and Randy for mileage because of their amateur wrestling but didn't give Fedor the same courtesy because it would invalidate your piss poor shillish argument.

Such desperation is easy to see. Now go home and get your shinebox.

 

[Fioretti]

Fedor is still fast today in his mid 40s because hes the fastest HW ever. Hes still a slug compared to what he used to be at 27 in terms of movement and reaction time.

Kobe Bryant was still good enough at 39 years old to score 60 points in his final game. Morons like would say "he's still as good today as he was when he was 27 because he just scored 60 points."

Smh. Imagine having to explain this to a grown man.

Saying that he's still fast today isn't saying that he's as good today as he was when he was 27. It's saying that he's still fast now, was still fast at 33, and not past his prime at 33 like you fuckin yayas try to pretend to be true. Imagine having to explain this to a child. Repeatedly, like we have been for two weeks or more.

 

[The Last King]

Saying that he's still fast today isn't saying that he's as good today as he was when he was 27. It's saying that he's still fast now, was still fast at 33, and not past his prime at 33 like you fuckin yayas try to pretend to be true. Imagine having to explain this to a child. Repeatedly, like we have been for two weeks or more.

If you went pro at 22 and became the world champion at 25, there is no way you could still be peaking at the age 33- 8 years later. If you had any real life experience in sports/athletics/ training you would understand this.

 

[Andrei Orlovski]

Fedor had a lot more potential than he has shown to us. His knees and back are probably shot and have been for a while, his hands and fingers also might not be in the best shape from the way he punched in PRIDE and later in his career.
Fedor training with a top team in the US like Khabib with a bunch of supplements not banned by USADA would have been a monster.
Instead he turned into a brawler since Affliction days. Religion, money and injuries all probably had something to do with him performing worse than he could have.

 

[snugglecakes]

You're the equivalent of the other rats in this thread who make up lies after they get stomped out with facts.

Fedor was on the Russian national Judo team and won a bronze medal at the nationals. This is documented and you can see it on Wikipedia.

You can't see anything about Randys "boxing" on Wikipedia. He sparred with some jarhead bums in the military. It's no coincidence that you conveniently say Fedors judo career was fake but try to refer to Randys "boxing" career as a relevant form of combat lol. This is what shill desperation looks like.

The same way you gave credit to DC and Randy for mileage because of their amateur wrestling but didn't give Fedor the same courtesy because it would invalidate your piss poor shillish argument.

Such desperation is easy to see. Now go home and get your shinebox.

Other rats?? Oh yeah yur in a quote post tag war with multiple people all at once destroying your arguments yet you stand your ground like a stubborn mule.

All yur “imagine having to explain yadda yadda”recycled shtick…yet imagine having multiple people all at once saying you’re dumb yet continuing to stand on your shaky ground

p.s. prime fedors take down defense was kind of shit. How many middleweights and light heavyweights have taken him down?