Not obsession, recognition. The UFC nutriders wouldn't give Fedor his due even in his prime, so I'm on to their stupid games. Fedor would have KO'd Randy for sure. The HW class is silly anyway because it includes fighters from 206 pounds all the way up to 265 pounds. It's the only weight class with such a large range, so guys like Fedor and Cop had to fight much larger opponents. Their skills cannot be questioned. Of UFC's current crop of HW's, only Gane has comparable talent. He just lacks the balls.
Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)
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Maybe because the UFC HW class sucks balls. Especially now since Stipe is older.
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Mirko's my favorite fighter, and he absolutely crushed cans. Just like every other PRIDE guy. Is normal.
Anybody with a brain can see how fast Fedor was back then, but a lot of posters here are dumb as shit.
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Well if you remember back to how our discussion started ITT, I said
When we talk about a fighter being in prime, we are talking about a period of time in which they are competing at their physical best as a fighter. When we speak of decline and leaving prime, we are speaking of external factors (age, injuries, damage) acting on the fighter in such a way that they cannot compete at their physical best. That’s my whole point.
This is a little different than individual peak performance though I think, which usually relates to a specific performance, or short period of time.
And yes, fighters def lose in prime. Most do. Stipe lost to Struve in prime. Anderson lost to Takase and Chonan in prime. Ngannou list to Stipe in prime. It just so happens that Fedor did not. And if you think my responses get longer with confidence, you must’ve really been feeling yourself when you hit us with that wall of text a couple pages back.
Anyway, don’t sit here arguing with me, there are good free fights about to start. Crack a beer or spark a doob or whatever, and come hang out, watch fights and talk shit with us.
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MMA fans are the only people who think 30+ is someone's "prime" lol.
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"Wasn't at his best" is more accurate, but still a method of coping. "Past prime" is a reference to age. 50/50 when he fought 6 top 10s in a row for the first time ever. Not a coincidence, friend. You guys chalk up his struggles in a few fights as "decline". Physical declines aren't the reason.
The wall of text I posted was a copy paste from a year or so ago where all of this was already covered. It was purely educational for yous guys. Read it. Might help, homie.
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The average age of current UFC champions is 33.55, 32.33 for Bellator, and 33 for both organizations combined. All champions but Usman Nurmagomedov are past prime? Weird.
The average age in which champions first won the title (in almost every division) throughout UFC history is 30+. Must just be a theory, huh?
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Not everybody is the same genius. Look at NFL running backs. Very few are good in their early 30's. Yes it's punishing, but so is MMA. Khabib quit because he wanted to maintain his perfect record for idol worshippers like your sorry ass.
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Fedor probably gets gapped by size more now, the Pride heavyweights we're not as imposing like Nog not exactly an imposing guy in the HW division, Cro Cop was by far the most imposing HW he fought and it was an extremely close fight.
Fedor would lose to Francis the size gap would be too much and he isn't as chinny as AA who is the closest thing Fedor fought to him, Fedor was losing that fight btw till chinny got caught, I suspect the same would not happen in a fight with Francis.
Stipe, DC notably would give him a fit just look at a green DC rag dolling Barnett who traded wins with Nog in Pride.
The truth is the TS is correct the game has not evolved much at HW and Fedor would still likely be top 5 today but the real truth is anyone that would fight at HW can probably make more money in other sports so the talent pool will always be less for the HW class as the super athletes will go make 20+ million a year in other sports.
Fedor would lose to Francis the size gap would be too much and he isn't as chinny as AA who is the closest thing Fedor fought to him, Fedor was losing that fight btw till chinny got caught, I suspect the same would not happen in a fight with Francis.
Stipe, DC notably would give him a fit just look at a green DC rag dolling Barnett who traded wins with Nog in Pride.
The truth is the TS is correct the game has not evolved much at HW and Fedor would still likely be top 5 today but the real truth is anyone that would fight at HW can probably make more money in other sports so the talent pool will always be less for the HW class as the super athletes will go make 20+ million a year in other sports.
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When Fedor was in his prime, On the one hand sherdoggers were saying he was not that good, on the hand, Bas, UFC, and many UFC fighters were recognizing him as goat. I think he would have been a better version of himself today.....his hip speed, hand speed, timing, reaction, and flow ability was something else....it was stuff you could not teach thats why we don't see that all the time.
I think he would be just as good if we took him from his time, but if he was raised up in this time, he would be a better version of himself like any goat would be...same goes for JJ, GSP, AS.
When Fedor was in his prime, On the one hand sherdoggers were saying he was not that good, on the hand, Bas, UFC, and many UFC fighters were recognizing him as goat. I think he would have been a better version of himself today.....his hip speed, hand speed, timing, reaction, and flow ability was something else....it was stuff you could not teach thats why we don't see that all the time.
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The talent pool in MMA is as deep as kiddie pool. (And HW is the worst of all the divisions.) That's why 30+ year old guys can hang around and even be successful. There isnt hundreds of high level twenty year olds coming into the sport every year to displace them like in other sports. It's not because MMA fighters are special fucking unicorns who defy everything we know about human physiology and athletics lol
If MMA had the talent pool of the NFL or NBA etc there would be pretty much no 30+ fighters because they would all get smoked and pushed out of the sport by the new talent coming in every single year. Maybe the top like 1% of fighters would last to 33-35 year old. That's it.
But you keep on thinking 33 year old guys are in their prime years if it makes you happy. You're 100% wrong, but whatever.
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A man's physical prime is 27-35. Young adulthood ends at 35, almost exclusively for this reason. You, buddy boy, are 100% wrong. There's plenty of young MMA fighters in the world. The majority just can't reach the pinnacle because they're not in their prime. As usual, there are some exceptions. Is normal.
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Lmao. No, it absolutely is not. Get the fuck right out of here with that bro science nonsense.
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Bro science, eh? I guess the longest-running study of human aging is just "bro science"?
"Typically, muscle mass and strength increase steadily from birth and reach their peak at around 30 to 35 years of age. After that, muscle power and performance decline slowly and linearly at first, and then faster after age 65 for women and 70 for men."
https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/how-ca...muscle mass and strength,women and 70 for men
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Right because muscle mass and strength is the same as peak athleticism. That whole article is about strength training to stay healthy as you get old. It has zero to do with athletic performance. Are you kidding me with this shit?
For Athletes' Peak Performance, Age Is Everything
French researchers have found that athletes' peak performance actually follows a rigid physiological law. Generally, most enter their athletic prime somewhere between 20 and 30, before undergoing an "irreversible" decline. (They even pinpoint when chess grandmasters start going over the hill.)
Athletic performance obviously decreases as people get older and their bodies wear down physically, but new data compiled by French researchers sheds new light on exactly when these declines might start showing up, at least in some sporting disciplines.
The careers of more than 1,150 swimmers and track-and-field athletes, as well as the accomplishments of nearly a hundred chess grandmasters, were scrutinized based on the event they were participating in, as well as their age and how old they were when they established any world records. In all, more than 11,200 performances among these athletes made it into the data set, and the results confirm that there reaches an age – a physiological tipping point, if you will – when athletes start to experience an irreversible downturn in their abilities.
Generally speaking, athletes start to see physical declines at age 26, give or take. (This would seem in line with the long-standing notion in baseball that players tend to hit their peak anywhere from ages 27 to 30.) For swimmers, the news is more sobering, as the mean peak age is 21. For chess grandmasters, participating in an activity that relies more than mental acuity and sharpness rather than brute, acquired physicality, the peak age is closer to 31.4.
For setting world records in a given athletic discipline, the mean age is 26.1, so all you sports-minded thirty-somethings hoping to still see your name published in the Guinness Book may have already missed your mark.
https://www.wired.com/2011/07/athletes-peak-age/
The question of when an athlete hits their peak has been much debated for many years because there are examples of elite and amateur competitors enjoying the most successful periods of their careers at each end of the spectrum and everywhere in between.
Knowing when that might be can be useful in developing long-term training strategies.
There are, however, various sources of well-researched data available that points to common points in life when best results are generally achieved.
A review carried out in New Zealand that was published back in 2015, for example, explored a huge amount of estimates about the age at which elite athletes peak, and asserted ages for a number of different disciplines in swimming and athletics.
For sprints, jumps, and throws, men and women hit their peak around 25 years of age while triathletes peak at 27.
The longest endurance events profiled an older age though, with marathoners peaking at 30 and 29 for men and women respectively while Ironman athletes hit their prime even older at 32 and 34.
https://builtforathletes.com/blogs/news/what-age-do-athletes-peak
https://cepar.edu.au/sites/default/files/peak-performance-age-sport.pdf
For Athletes' Peak Performance, Age Is Everything
French researchers have found that athletes' peak performance actually follows a rigid physiological law. Generally, most enter their athletic prime somewhere between 20 and 30, before undergoing an "irreversible" decline. (They even pinpoint when chess grandmasters start going over the hill.)
Athletic performance obviously decreases as people get older and their bodies wear down physically, but new data compiled by French researchers sheds new light on exactly when these declines might start showing up, at least in some sporting disciplines.
The careers of more than 1,150 swimmers and track-and-field athletes, as well as the accomplishments of nearly a hundred chess grandmasters, were scrutinized based on the event they were participating in, as well as their age and how old they were when they established any world records. In all, more than 11,200 performances among these athletes made it into the data set, and the results confirm that there reaches an age – a physiological tipping point, if you will – when athletes start to experience an irreversible downturn in their abilities.
Generally speaking, athletes start to see physical declines at age 26, give or take. (This would seem in line with the long-standing notion in baseball that players tend to hit their peak anywhere from ages 27 to 30.) For swimmers, the news is more sobering, as the mean peak age is 21. For chess grandmasters, participating in an activity that relies more than mental acuity and sharpness rather than brute, acquired physicality, the peak age is closer to 31.4.
For setting world records in a given athletic discipline, the mean age is 26.1, so all you sports-minded thirty-somethings hoping to still see your name published in the Guinness Book may have already missed your mark.
https://www.wired.com/2011/07/athletes-peak-age/
The question of when an athlete hits their peak has been much debated for many years because there are examples of elite and amateur competitors enjoying the most successful periods of their careers at each end of the spectrum and everywhere in between.
Knowing when that might be can be useful in developing long-term training strategies.
There are, however, various sources of well-researched data available that points to common points in life when best results are generally achieved.
A review carried out in New Zealand that was published back in 2015, for example, explored a huge amount of estimates about the age at which elite athletes peak, and asserted ages for a number of different disciplines in swimming and athletics.
For sprints, jumps, and throws, men and women hit their peak around 25 years of age while triathletes peak at 27.
The longest endurance events profiled an older age though, with marathoners peaking at 30 and 29 for men and women respectively while Ironman athletes hit their prime even older at 32 and 34.
https://builtforathletes.com/blogs/news/what-age-do-athletes-peak
https://cepar.edu.au/sites/default/files/peak-performance-age-sport.pdf
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