I didn't get into it with anyone until about 10 pages in where it was clear that the thread was being hijacked by creepers like you who are here just to troll, to derail and to disrupt the thread to get a rise out of Fedor fans- what you call "challenging".
Who gives a shit? Fighters go on runs. Fighters go on streaks. Sometimes on winning and losing streaks. That doesn't mean that Mirko started losing in the UFC ONLY because he was taking less steroids. For Christ sake. Smh. Imagine being this dense lol
This was within the first 25 replies. Mild, yes but you could see your decline begin early. The more people challenged your views on Fedor, the more you declined and spiraled out of control to the point where you were projecting the term "autist" onto anyone who disagreed.
It's been the funniest tantrum I've seen on Sherdog in 2022, so thanks for the comedy. I mean it.
Not sure cause I'm not claiming to know what fighters did or didn't do in training camps I didn't witness like you did. Like I said claiming to know something you can't possibly know makes what you said a blatant lie. However I have seen some fighters doing functional speed training with pool noodles since the early 2000s. If you wanted specifics I would have to do some research otherwise I would just be making shit up like you did.
Boxers were doing functional speed and reaction time training in the 70s and 80s, probably even before that, assuming that MMA fighters weren't doing any of that training 20-30 years later is a really dumb assumption. Speed and reaction time training has existed a lot longer than you seem to think it has.
Boxers were doing functional speed and reaction time training in the 70s and 80s, assuming that MMA fighters weren't doing any of that training 20-30 years later is really dumb assumption. Speed and reaction time training has existed a lot longer than you think it has.
Lol'd for real. Fedro fanatics are getting close to Conor and GSP girls. For fuck's sake. So many off topic and weird tangents. Misdirection to shift focus. Always. They'll focus on one or two words in a 3 paragraph response, much like a woman, and then hyperfocus on those words because they want so badly to be right about something. Fascinating.
Fedor fans are stuck in the past and an alternate reality. Fedor never fought in the UFC and yet this thread is in the UFC subforum
Fedor would NOT beat Ngannou or prime Werdum whom he lost to or Stipe. He would best Lesnar, Cormier, Couture and have a good chance vs Ubereem but could also lose that match.
Fedor fans are stuck in the past and an alternate reality. Fedor never fought in the UFC and yet this thread is in the UFC subforum
Fedor would NOT beat Ngannou or prime Werdum whom he lost to or Stipe. He would best Lesnar, Cormier, Couture and have a good chance vs Ubereem but could also lose that match.
That’s a fair criticism. I was just paraphrasing what you said from memory, and I wasn’t exactly accurate. You said “TRT helped him to do well,” without any actual evidence to support that assertion. It’s very possible Randy was on some shit, but since we don’t know that for sure, or what, or when, it’s meaningless to say.
His entire gym was on TRT and he clearly wasn't living up to his nickname. You're reaching for the stars, and trying to find fault in anything you can to derail. Not slick, my dude.
Why don't you touch on how he had a decade and half of military and wrestling before competing in MMA? Why didn't the decade rule apply to him?
This is silly. You’re the one making claims you can’t remotely back up, and you think I’m the one reaching??
I wouldn’t call it the decade rule, but it’s true that the rigors of the training in multiple martial art disciplines this sport demands, along with the fight camps and fights themselves, seem to give fighters about 10-ish good years. It’s not an absolute; fighters who have more injuries or take more damage may get less, some who use PEDs may get more, and you can also do things to combat decline (such as Aldo making adjustments to his fighting style and dropping down a weight class).
We have a large sample size of fighters where we can see this. So: why didn’t Couture’s previous years spent wrestling change that? Because it’s not an exception to the rest of the sample group. In other words, most fighters got into martial arts younger, did judo, sambo, BJJ, wrestling, whatever. Couture isn’t doing something that would bring about a different career/prime result than most other fighters. Of course not all sports are equal (judo for example seems to chew ppl’s knees up pretty well), and if you suffered a fuckload of injuries in high school or college or whatever then sure, that may manifest later and shorten a career.
And it did apply to Couture: debuted in 1997, and decline was evident by 2008 or so. Got a couple more wins against James Toney and ancient Mark Coleman, but Randy was clearly on the decline.
That’s a fair criticism. I was just paraphrasing what you said from memory, and I wasn’t exactly accurate. You said “TRT helped him to do well,” without any actual evidence to support that assertion. It’s very possible Randy was on some shit, but since we don’t know that for sure, or what, or when, it’s meaningless to say.
This is silly. You’re the one making claims you can’t remotely back up, and you think I’m the one reaching??
I wouldn’t call it the decade rule, but it’s true that the rigors of the training in multiple martial art disciplines this sport demands, along with the fight camps and fights themselves, seem to give fighters about 10-ish good years. It’s not an absolute; fighters who have more injuries or take more damage may get less, some who use PEDs may get more, and you can also do things to combat decline (such as Aldo making adjustments to his fighting style and dropping down a weight class).
We have a large sample size of fighters where we can see this. So: why didn’t Couture’s previous years spent wrestling change that? Because it’s not an exception to the rest of the sample group. In other words, most fighters got into martial arts younger, did judo, sambo, BJJ, wrestling, whatever. Couture isn’t doing something that would bring about a different career/prime result than most other fighters. Of course not all sports are equal (judo for example seems to chew ppl’s knees up pretty well), and if you suffered a fuckload of injuries in high school or college or whatever then sure, that may manifest later and shorten a career.
And it did apply to Couture: debuted in 1997, and decline was evident by 2008 or so. Got a couple more wins against James Toney and ancient Mark Coleman, but Randy was clearly on the decline.
Team Quest was notorious for TRT, among other supplements, brother.
Randy joined the Army in 82, then wrestled from 90-98. You don't think this put wear and tear on his body? That's close to 2 decades before he started MMA. Why wasn't he immediately out of prime? Wrestling and military don't qualify as wear and tear? I need to know why he was able to compete for 25 years when others can only handle 10, no matter what age they start at. Judo?
Nobody harped about his foot injury until he started losing in the UFC. The man is just a life long juicer. He can't function in a tested league. It isn't his fault because the organizations in Japan didn't care about steroid use.
You are really going to count amateur fighting too? Someone like Israel has way more fights than Mirko before coming in the UFC. Is anyone going to use the out of prime excuse for him? He never had injuries before? How do you go from out of your prime then go back to overseas to go on a 10 fight streak?
Team Quest was notorious for TRT, among other supplements, brother.
Randy joined the Army in 82, then wrestled from 90-98. You don't think this put wear and tear on his body? That's close to 2 decades before he started MMA. Why wasn't he immediately out of prime? Wrestling and military don't qualify as wear and tear? I need to know why he was able to compete for 25 years when others can only handle 10, no matter what age they start at. Judo?
I answered your question, Fioretti. I’ll make it even more clear. GSP: Kyokushin Karate at age 7, boxing, wrestling and BJJ at age 16. Debuted in MMA in 2002 (age 21 or so), had a very difficult fight with Hendricks and walked away from the sport in Nov 2013. About 11 years, age 32.
DC: Started wrestling around age 11 or 12. Debuted in 2009 (age 30), had his last 2 fights (2 losses) in 2020. About 11 years, age 40.
Stipe: Sports since he was child, wrestled as well as baseball and football in high school. Debuted in 2010 (age 28), did not look like himself and brutally KOed in 2020. Still technically active, but seems declined and has not fought since. Currently 12 years, age 40.
Fedor: Sambo and judo since age 11. Debuted in 2000, age 24. Werdum fight was in 2010, age 34, 2 more losses followed in year 11.
—So what is it in your mind that Couture has in his background that should bring about a different result? Nothing. His background is very similar to other fighters, as is his length of prime and results.
One thing to remember as well is that Fedor wasnt just undefeated for a decade but he didnt even lose a single round between Arona and Werdum, even if you cut Pride 10 min rounds in half. I think that stands him in pretty good sted in terms of facing guys trying to decision him.
I feel like part of the reason his form declined the way it did though was that he was rarely a "safe" fighter, he was I think a bit safer in his peak years than his latter prime years were he became obsessed with very quick finishes BUT he very rarely fought in a fashion that had minimal risk to it, the match with Semmy is pretty much the only big one that comes to mind for me were he did that.
He naturally took risks depending on timing/speed a lot standing and on aggressive risk taking grappling, someone like Randy on the other hand I think aged better because he could fall back to a relatively low risk gameplan of cage clinching that didnt need him to be at peak form.
Really though I think that makes Fedor's run all the more impressive, he fought in a way that should have been prone to upsets but avoided them for so long, matchs like Fujita and Randleman when they potentially happened he was able to come back to win fast.
I answered your question, Fioretti. I’ll make it even more clear. GSP: Kyokushin Karate at age 7, boxing, wrestling and BJJ at age 16. Debuted in MMA in 2002 (age 21 or so), had a very difficult fight with Hendricks and walked away from the sport in Nov 2013. About 11 years, age 32.
DC: Started wrestling around age 11 or 12. Debuted in 2009 (age 30), had his last 2 fights (2 losses) in 2020. About 11 years, age 40.
Stipe: Sports since he was child, wrestled as well as baseball and football in high school. Debuted in 2010 (age 28), did not look like himself and brutally KOed in 2020. Still technically active, but seems declined and has not fought since. Currently 12 years, age 40.
Fedor: Sambo and judo since age 11. Debuted in 2000, age 24. Werdum fight was in 2010, age 34, 2 more losses followed in year 11.
—So what is it in your mind that Couture has in his background that should bring about a different result? Nothing. His background is very similar to other fighters, as is his length of prime and results.
6 years of military followed by 8 years of collegiate/competitive wrestling. His background isn't too similar to others, and you've previously suggested that he wasn't on some shit. That's not 10 years of competition and wear and tear, bud. That's 26 years if you say 08 is when he declined.
You failed to mention that Fedro fought for over a decade AFTER losing, and is still active today. Weird. Failed to mention his 5 fight win streak against lesser competition too, which was after he suddenly fell out of prime at age 33.
Come on, bud. What are you trying to say? First it was Couture wasn't on shit, then it was he didn't have a TUE, now it's military and wrestling don't count towards the decade rule made up by fanatics? Why is the focus even on Couture?
6 years of military followed by 8 years of collegiate/competitive wrestling. His background isn't too similar to others, and you've previously suggested that he wasn't on some shit. That's not 10 years of competition and wear and tear, bud. That's 26 years if you say 08 is when he declined.
Don’t be obtuse. His background is very similar to others, and I just listed examples. Fedor was in the military too. Tons of fighters were.
You failed to mention that Fedro fought for over a decade AFTER losing, and is still active today. Weird. Failed to mention his 5 fight win streak against lesser competition too, which was after he suddenly fell out of prime at age 33.
Were talking about primes. Fedor retired the following year after the Bigfoot and Hendo losses. He’s active now, but he’s obviously not in his prime. Stipe was another example I listed who is active but out of prime. JDS is likewise active but out of prime. You understand that a fighter can still win fights out of prime, don’t you? Sure you do.
Fedor also wasn’t “suddenly” out of prime. He had injuries pile up, which I listed with sources ITT, and he got older. He lost in sambo in 2008 which was noteworthy, and struggled some with both Arlovski and Rogers the following year, before finally losing the following year after that. Nothing sudden about it all, Fedor’s decline was gradual and noticeable.
Come on, bud. What are you trying to say? First it was Couture wasn't on shit, then it was he didn't have a TUE, now it's military and wrestling don't count towards the decade rule made up by fanatics?
Now you’re just outright lying. I never said Couture was on shit, or wasn’t on shit. That never happened. What happened was you said “TRT helped Couture be successful into his 40s,” and when I asked if you could actually back up that statement you could not.
Regarding a decade, I can only give you my POV which is that the shelf life for active MMA fighters being able to fight at a high level before noticeable physical decline is generally about 10 years. Almost all of these fighters started martial arts or sports at a young age, and many served in the military. Therefore I wouldn’t expect Couture’s military and sports history to necessarily yield a different result.
You said he used TRT so matter-of-factly that I was sincerely curious if you could corroborate that, since it was always just speculation to my knowledge. If you had just said “Sorry, I totally pulled that out of my ass and I’m only speculating,” that’d have been the end of it. But you’re too proud to do that, so here we are.
Take your L man, you got trounced. We can’t all win every debate and you didn’t win this one. Maybe you’ll get me next time.
Don’t be obtuse. His background is very similar to others, and I just listed examples. Fedor was in the military too. Tons of fighters were.
Were talking about primes. Fedor retired the following year after the Bigfoot and Hendo losses. He’s active now, but he’s obviously not in his prime. Stipe was another example I listed who is active but out of prime. JDS is likewise active but out of prime. You understand that a fighter can still win fights out of prime, don’t you? Sure you do.
Fedor also wasn’t “suddenly” out of prime. He had injuries pile up, which I listed with sources ITT, and he got older. He lost in sambo in 2008 which was noteworthy, and struggled some with both Arlovski and Rogers the following year, before finally losing the following year after that. Nothing sudden about it all, Fedor’s decline was gradual and noticeable.
Now you’re just outright lying. I never said Couture was on shit, or wasn’t on shit. That never happened. What happened was you said “TRT helped Couture be successful into his 40s,” and when I asked if you could actually back up that statement you could not.
Regarding a decade, I can only give you my POV which is that the shelf life for active MMA fighters being able to fight at a high level before noticeable physical decline is generally about 10 years. Almost all of these fighters started martial arts or sports at a young age, and many served in the military. Therefore I wouldn’t expect Couture’s military and sports history to necessarily yield a different result.
You said he used TRT so matter-of-factly that I was sincerely curious if you could corroborate that, since it was always just speculation to my knowledge. If you had just said “Sorry, I totally pulled that out of my ass and I’m only speculating,” that’d have been the end of it. But you’re too proud to do that, so here we are.
Take your L man, you got trounced. We can’t all win every debate and you didn’t win this one. Maybe you’ll get me next time.
You're not talking about primes, you're talking about individual peak performance. I love how your responses get bigger with your confidence once you think you've successfully deterred the discussion from one thing to another.
Team Quest is notorious for TRT, and Randy admitted to boosting his testosterone, but "naturally" with supplements from his own company. Come on now, buddy. We all know. Don't play dumb.
Men are not out of their prime at 33. Their muscles and bones are not deteriorating. Their cognitive ability isn't waning. Fedro looked worse because he was fighting top competition consistently and had to get drug tested. Yes, fighters can win out of prime. Just as they can lose in their prime. Time to get real, homie.
What do you think you get a W for? Just because a few other delusional kids are cheering for you and their favey? Shit's weak, my dude.
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