Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[TJ177]

lol, relative to their own speed sure but human beings don't just evolve to have faster reaction time and speed just because, that's a ridiculous take. The limits of human beings are the same now as they were back in 2000 and not everyone is going to have the same speed and reaction time just based on what their genetics are.

There isn't a HW in the UFC that's faster than Fedor was in his prime and there isn't one that reacts as fast either, it's very obvious.

Set aside Fedor a second- do you not believe that speed can be increased through training? That reaction time is a function of speed?

Every year MLB pitchers throw harder and NFL prospects run faster, to say nothing of Olympic sports. Athletes are continually timed and program managed to do functional exercises to increase explosive strength. We can measure this all today, and do, so we actually know what works. This happens everywhere today, in every sport.

If someone wants to claim that Fedor was the fastest ever and will always remain the fastest ever because their eyes (and Big Nog) tell them, I mean, sure. (With the obviously disclaimer that this superhuman Fedor only remained superhuman for 5 years and it was solely a function of his superhuman speed and not a function of his competition which also did no functional speed training.)

 

[The Last King]

Babe Ruth wasn't hitting anything 450. That's fantasy created by people at the time by sportwriterw who would exaggerate. Its just like people talking about Fedor's supernatural skills or Nog being an Olympic level boxer. Ruth was an amazing hitting against guys who would throw 80mph. His mechanics were terrible and not something that anyone would teach today. It's the same thing as the romanticizing of the Pride guys.

Lol You've been beaten and smashed on so hard in this thread that now youve resorted to straight up lying about history.

The Yankee stadium which Ruth played in had the centerfild fence of 490ft and
Ruth hit multiple home runs in one game over that fence.

He also hit multiple home runs over the center field fence at the Polo Grounds stadium which had a 483ft centerfield fence. Not to mention all the other stadiums he hit home runs in during that era which had the average center field of 450 ft.

You're saying "that was just made up by sports writers" because you're desperate and it shows you're just a clown and a liar and the one who's making stuff up.

Secondly no one ever said Big Nog was an Olymplic boxer but his brother Lil Nog medaled at a Pan Am amateur boxing tournament which is just one level shy of medaling at the Olymlics.

The Nogs did train with the Olympic boxing team and that's why Big Nog was such a good boxer and was able to out box someone like Prime Sergei who could have went to the Olympics for boxing.

You've been smashed on and clowned so hard in this thread that it's made you so confused that you don't even know what to lie about anymore.

Shameful.

 

[TJ177]

You're a clown who has been beaten and battered so badly in this thread that you have resorted to "that didn't happen, it was just sporte writers making stuff up"


Lol You've been beaten and smashed on so hard in this thread that now youve resorted to straight up lying about history.

The Yankee stadium which Ruth played in had the centerfild fence of 490ft and
Ruth hit multiple home runs in one game over that fence.

He also hit a home runs over the center field fence at the Polo Grounds stadium which had a 483ft centerfield fence. Saying "that was just made up by sports writers" shows you're just a clown and a liar and the one who's making stuff up.

Secondly no one ever said Big Nog was an Olymplic boxer but his brother Lil Nog medaled at a Pan Am amateur boxing tournament which is just one level shy of medaling at the Olymlics.

The Nogs did train with the Olympic boxing team and that's why Big Nog was such a good boxer and was able to out box someone like Prime Sergei who could have went to the Olympics for boxing.

You've been smashed on and clowned so hard in this thread that it's made you so confused that you don't even know what to lie about anymore.

Shameful.

None of those HRs ever happened. No one hit ever hit a HR to dead center in the old Yankee Stadium, much less multiple in the same game. The only players to ever hit HRs out to dead center in the Polo Grounds came after the integration era when black players were able to play.

If you had stopped short of trying to use examples you could have used a Fedor like exaggeration. But you've cited completely fictional examples.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Set aside Fedor a second- do you not believe that speed can be increased through training? That reaction time is a function of speed?

Every year MLB pitchers throw harder and NFL prospects run faster, to say nothing of Olympic sports. Athletes are continually timed and program managed to do functional exercises to increase explosive strength. We can measure this all today, and do, so we actually know what works. This happens everywhere today, in every sport.

If someone wants to claim that Fedor was the fastest ever and will always remain the fastest ever because their eyes (and Big Nog) tell them, I mean, sure. (With the obviously disclaimer that this superhuman Fedor only remained superhuman for 5 years and it was solely a function of his superhuman speed and not a function of his competition which also did no functional speed training.)

Did you just not read my post? I already answered this question, yes, relative to one's own speed and reaction time but genetics are a factor in how fast you can be and how fast you can react, some people are special and have genetics that allow them to be faster and react faster than other people ever could. Please read this post before asking the same question a third time.

I did not claim that Fedor was that fastest there ever will be, just that he's the fastest I have ever seen at LHW and HW both in speed and reaction time, could someone eventually be faster sure but they would have to be special genetically like Fedor was, or if you don't like me using him as an example someone like Roy Jones Jr, or Sugar Ray Leonard.

You're also not accounting for factors like the surface that Olympic athletes run on, it's a fact that those surfaces are much better than what they ran on in the past same goes for the technology of shoes and that it has improved the speeds of runners by a large amount.

Claiming you know what training Fedor's opponents did makes you look like a fool, you don't know what training each and every one of his opponents did, that's a straight up lie. Fedor also wasn't just fast for 5 years, he was incredibly fast from 2000 and didn't start slowing down till around 2007-2008 and even then it was gradual.

 

[The Last King]

Set aside Fedor a second- do you not believe that speed can be increased through training? That reaction time is a function of speed?

Every year MLB pitchers throw harder and NFL prospects run faster, to say nothing of Olympic sports. Athletes are continually timed and program managed to do functional exercises to increase explosive strength. We can measure this all today, and do, so we actually know what works. This happens everywhere today, in every sport.

If someone wants to claim that Fedor was the fastest ever and will always remain the fastest ever because their eyes (and Big Nog) tell them, I mean, sure. (With the obviously disclaimer that this superhuman Fedor only remained superhuman for 5 years and it was solely a function of his superhuman speed and not a function of his competition which also did no functional speed training.)

Lol you're the best punching bag this thread could ever have.

Nolan Ryan was throwing 100mph in the 70s and 80s.

Hank Aaron's reaction time wasn't slower than Ken Griffey Jr's. Ken Griffey Jr's reaction time wasn't slower than Aaron Judges.

You claim sports writers make stuff up but here you are making stuff up about magical gap in reaction time that supposedly occurs every 10 years in sports from one generation to the next.

It's funny because only nerdy MMA dorks do this usually to diminish the athletes they missed out on and to hype whatever the flavor of the month fighters they are watching today. Recency bias shill like clown behavior.

 

[The Last King]

None of those HRs ever happened. No one hit ever hit a HR to dead center in the old Yankee Stadium, much less multiple in the same game. The only players to ever hit HRs out to dead center in the Polo Grounds came after the integration era when black players were able to play.

If you had stopped short of trying to use examples you could have used a Fedor like exaggeration. But you've cited completely fictional examples.

Lol when you get smashed on so hard that you have to lie about history. What a clown.

 

[TJ177]

Did you just not read my post? I already answered this question, yes, relative to one's own speed and reaction time but genetics are a factor in how fast you can be and how fast you can react, some people are special and have genetics that allow them to be faster and react faster than other people ever could. Please read this post before asking the same question a third time.

I did not claim that Fedor was that fastest there ever will be, just that he's the fastest I have ever seen at LHW and HW both in speed and reaction time, could someone eventually be faster sure but they would have to be special genetically like Fedor was, or if you don't like me using him as an example someone like Roy Jones Jr, or Sugar Ray Leonard.

You're also not accounting for factors like the surface that Olympic athletes run on, it's a fact that those surfaces are much better than what they ran on in the past same goes for the technology of shoes and that it has improved the speeds of runners by a large amount.

I can respect that your claims here based on your opinion and I have no issue with that.

We won't agree here, but that's fine. I happen to think that all of the evidence and logic suggests that Fedor wasn't some genetic aberration that had superhuman speed, he was just very fast and very skilled in a time period when fighters weren't as advanced.

I know we won't agree here but that's ok. I have no issue with your take.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I can respect that your claims here based on your opinion and I have no issue with that.

We won't agree here, but that's fine. I happen to think that all of the evidence and logic suggests that Fedor wasn't some genetic aberration that had superhuman speed, he was just very fast and very skilled in a time period when fighters weren't as advanced.

I know we won't agree here but that's ok. I have no issue with your take.

It's not an opinion that genetics are a factor in how fast you can be and how fast you can react, that's a fact, it's also a fact that the running surface that Olympic runners run on and their shoes are much better than runners of the past and if you were to take Olympic athletes of the past in their primes and give them better surfaces to run on and better shoes to wear they will be faster.

 

[TJ177]

Lol when you get smashed on so hard that you have to lie about history. What a clown.

Go find it buddy. Go find it. Show us.

I don't really come here to try and do personal attacks on people but in this instance you've tried to just make things up that actually never happened.

This isn't about your Fedor fantasies - you're actually creating fictional events that did not occur.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Go find it buddy. Go find it. Show us.

I don't really come here to try and do personal attacks on people but in this instance you've tried to just make things up that actually never happened.

This isn't about your Fedor fantasies - you're actually creating fictional events that did not occur.

You're straight up lying about knowing what fighters training is like and you say this BS, LMAO. If you're going to claim someone is making up stuff don't do it while blatantly lying.

 

[TJ177]

It's not an opinion that genetics are a factor in how fast you can be and how fast you can react, that's a fact, it's also a fact that the running surface that Olympic runners run on and their shoes are much better than runners of the past.

But it isn't an opinion that even today's baseball and football athletes continue to run quicker year over year on the very same surfaces. That's fact.

Yes, genetics play a role in speed. If the suggestion is that Fedor was particularly advanced at the molecular level go be faster than guys that trained longer and smarter I'd say that's opinion.

 

[TJ177]

You're straight up lying about knowing what fighters training is like and you say this BS, LMAO. If you're going to claim someone is making up stuff don't do it while blatantly lying.

What have I lied about?

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

But it isn't an opinion that even today's baseball and football athletes continue to run quicker year over year on the very same surfaces. That's fact.

Yes, genetics play a role in speed. If the suggestion is that Fedor was particularly advanced at the molecular level go be faster than guys that trained longer and smarter I'd say that's opinion.

Shoes are a thing, technology in shoes have greatly improved, and the surfaces they are playing on do change and improve, turf is way better now than it was 5-10 years ago. There's a lot of factors you aren't accounting for likely cause you don't know the technology in those factors has improved.

 

[The Last King]

But it isn't an opinion that even today's baseball and football athletes continue to run quicker year over year on the very same surfaces. That's fact.

Yes, genetics play a role in speed. If the suggestion is that Fedor was particularly advanced at the molecular level go be faster than guys that trained longer and smarter I'd say that's opinion.

"Sports writers making stuff up" so Ruth hit a 500ft home run in at least 8 different ball parks but according to you there's no chance he hit a homerun at Yankee stadium CF? Makes sense. You're so desperate it's hilarious to see you try to lie your way out of it.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

What have I lied about?

You claimed to know what Fedor's opponents did or didn't do in training. Unless you were at all of their training camps you can't know that so it's a blatant lie.

 

[TJ177]

"Sports writers making stuff up" so Ruth hit a 500ft home run in at least 8 different ball parks but according to you there's no chance he hit a homerun at Yankee stadium CF? Makes sense. You're so desperate it's hilarious to see you try to lie your way out of it.

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Are you serious with this? A book a guy wrote in 2012 which claims that he can definitively project that Ruth was hitting the ball 100 feet further than anyone else has? This book has been widely laughed at for the many claims where he's touting Ruth hitting 600 foot hrs.

 

[TJ177]

You claimed to know what Fedor's opponents did or didn't do in training. Unless you were at all of their training camps you can't know that so it's a blatant lie.

Who was doing functional speed training back then?

 

[The Last King]

Are you serious with this? A book a guy wrote in 2012 which claims that he can definitively project that Ruth was hitting the ball 100 feet further than anyone else has? This book has been widely laughed at for the many claims where he's touting Ruth hitting 600 foot hrs.

Only the 600ft homerun is "laughed at" the rest are stats are authentic. But keep lying. Keep going.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Who was doing functional speed training back then?

Not sure cause I'm not claiming to know what every fighter did or didn't do in training camps I didn't witness like you did. Like I said claiming to know something you can't possibly know makes what you said a blatant lie. However, I have seen some fighters doing functional speed training with pool noodles since the early 2000s, I think I have seen Fedor and Cro Cop in training videos doing this but I would have to look into the earliest videos I could find of them doing it to come up with a guess as to when they started doing it. If you wanted specifics I would have to do some research otherwise I would just be making shit up like you did.

Mike Tyson was doing functional speed and reaction time training in the freaking early 80s, so assuming that MMA fighters weren't doing any functional speed training or reaction time training 20+ years later doesn't make much sense.

 

[TJ177]

Only the 600ft homerun is "laughed at" the rest are stats are authentic. But keep lying. Keep going.

The book is a joke and widely laughed at. All of the "estimates" were from contemporary newspaper accounts where they used a tape measure the day after based on an estimate where it landed.

To hit the ball 550 feet in NY city it would require an exit velocity of close to 130mph with a perfect launch angle. The Ruth stuff is complete fiction. No one could measure exit velocity back then or prove any of this so it was accepted as truth.
http://baseball.physics.illinois.edu/trajectory-calculator-new3D.html