Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

You are not “talking MMA”. You are having meltdowns and calling people autistic every time someone disagrees with you.

Your performance is probably the funniest of the year on Sherdog. And when I say “thank you,” I really do mean it.

Sure creeper, sure.

I wrote a thread about Fedor on an MMA forum in detail describing his strengths and weaknesses.

I didn't get into it with anyone until about 10 pages in where it was clear that the thread was being hijacked by creepers like you who are here just to troll, to derail and to disrupt the thread to get a rise out of Fedor fans- what you call "challenging"

Any objective person reading this thread can see this. Whats crazy is that besides the trolls there are serial killer types out there who go on MMA forums not to talk MMA but instead to look for troll content that "hurts people" for their "amusement"

That clown avatar is congruent with your creepy and bizarre behavior. Like I said, I wonder what else you do for "amusement"
 
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MMA is the only relevant sport. Endurance sports are the next closest, as MMA is an endurance sport. Hilarious that you're too dense to realize the arguments you're attempting to make contradict what you and others are trying to pass off as truth in order to save face for your favorite fighter that you've never met, who doesn't know you exist. Now you're claiming that you've done some "research", but all you did is recently google articles that you believe agree with what you're saying, and combat what I'm saying. Problem is, you're not intelligent or competent enough to understand what I'm saying, nor are you able to conceptualize the difference between the two. You still think that performance reviews are as good as science in regards to physical development and the deterioration of muscle and bone mass. It's not. One of the big arguments that another guy thinks helps his case is :
  • The age of peak athletic performance depends upon the key functional element required of the successful competitor. In events where flexibility is paramount (for example, gymnastics and brief swimming events) the top competitors are commonly adolescents.
How do you think that applies here? You just kinda shot yourself in the keyboard there, buddy boy, didn't ya? These "arguments" you're trying to make, have already been made by other users (years ago) and were shot down then as well. The other guy thought that this exact statement meant gymnasts were in their physical prime. It doesn't. I'll cite some of the science I cited back then that shows you peak athletic performance does not equate to physical prime. Maybe you can try to comprehend how and why they are different? Doubtful, but give it a shot:

A study done by Robert Kail and John Cavanaugh and featured in the book, Human Development: A Life-Span View, stated that men reach their physical peak between their late 20s and early 30s. These findings are further substantiated by a report found in the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science: AGING AND EXERCISE (sportsci.org)

The Human Development: A Life-Span View study concluded that by the time a man reaches their late 30s their physical strength, flexibility, and muscle mass begins to decline and will continue declining. However, you can combat this by participating in regular sporting and fitness activities which will allow you to maintain your peak for at least 20 years longer if you don’t have any debilitating injuries.

Here are some highlights from the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science that are most relevent:


  • Young adulthood typically covers the period from 20-35 years of age, when both biological function and physical performance reach their peak. During young middle-age (35-45 years), physical activity usually wanes, with a 5-10 kg accumulation of body fat.
  • Strength peaks around 25 years of age, plateaus through 35 or 40 years of age, and then shows an accelerating decline, with 25% loss of peak force by the age of 65 years.
  • Muscle mass decreases, apparently with a selective loss in the cross-section if not the numbers of type II fibers. It is unclear whether there is a general hypotrophy of skeletal muscle, or a selective hypoplasia and degeneration of Type II fibers, associated with a loss of nerve terminal sprouting.
  • There is a progressive decrease in the calcium content and a deterioration in the organic matrix of the bones with aging. However, the dividing line between normality and pathology is unclear, and it is also uncertain how far a decrease of habitual physical activity contributes to the age-related calcium loss.
  • The calcium loss can begin as early as 30 years.
  • Regular load-bearing exercise can halt and sometimes even reverse bone mineral loss through the eighth decade of life. Such a regimen is particularly effective when accompanied by a high calcium diet (1500 mg/day).
  • The age of peak athletic performance depends upon the key functional element required of the successful competitor. In events where flexibility is paramount (for example, gymnastics and brief swimming events) the top competitors are commonly adolescents.
  • Because of a longer plateauing of muscle strength, performance in anaerobic events declines less steeply, and in pursuits such as golf and equitation, where experience is paramount, the best competitors are aged 30-40 years.
  • Caution is needed in drawing physiological inferences from athletic records, since the pool of potential competitors decreases with age.
Current MMA Champions by age - The average age of current UFC Champions is 33.55, the average age of Bellator Champions is 32.33, and the average age of all champions from both organizations combined is 33. I've been keeping track and updating this for roughly a year or so. You can see the updates and the failed argument of the other guy in that thread. I've also done every champion from every male division in UFC history, with links in the OP of that thread to each divisional thread, and you probably won't like the results. Just for shits and giggles, I'll link you the HW thread, but I'll make you click on it to see the average.

UFC Champions by age - HW


Do you think the people at the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science might know a thing or two about science, biology, and physiological development? Maybe a bit more than you do? Will you just concede and acknowledge that you were at the very least confused by what I was saying? More realistically, will you admit that you're just emotionally fueled by fanaticism and were talking about shit you didn't know about? This isn't me making shit up, boy, it's me trying to help you understand the difference. These aren't my theories, this is science vs event-based peak individual performance. It just so happens that MMA peak performance aligns almost perfectly with physiological science. Nobody is "past prime" at age 33. This is when their body is naturally at its highest level of physicality.

Intellects like you must think JDS, Cain, Shogun, and Sugar Ray Leonard were still in their prime at 34.


Or you're doing all this to troll strangers on a forum. Either way Smh.
 
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Sure creeper, sure.

I wrote a thread about Fedor on an MMA forum in detail describing his strengths and weaknesses.

I didn't get into it with anyone until about 10 pages in where it was clear that the thread was being hijacked by creepers like you who are here just to troll, to derail and to disrupt the thread to get a rise out of Fedor fans- what you call "challenging"

Any objective person reading this thread can see this. Whats crazy is that besides the trolls there are serial killer types out there who go on MMA forums not to talk MMA but instead to look for troll content that "hurts people" for their "amusement"

That clown avatar is congruent with your creepy and bizarre behavior. Like I said, I wonder what else you do for "amusement"

You fascinate me.
 
Sure creeper, sure.

I wrote a thread about Fedor on an MMA forum in detail describing his strengths and weaknesses.

I didn't get into it with anyone until about 10 pages in where it was clear that the thread was being hijacked by creepers like you who are here just to troll, to derail and to disrupt the thread to get a rise out of Fedor fans- what you call "challenging"

Any objective person reading this thread can see this. Whats crazy is that besides the trolls there are serial killer types out there who go on MMA forums not to talk MMA but instead to look for troll content that "hurts people" for their "amusement"

That clown avatar is congruent with your creepy and bizarre behavior. Like I said, I wonder what else you do for "amusement"
Bro said serial killers on sherdog
 
I’m speaking out of my ass. I was under the impression he did have an exemption at one point. I’m operation 1000% from memory
No, not to my knowledge. Randy had a supplement company called “Xtreme Couture Advanced Pharmaceuticals” or something like that. He always claimed he used his own supplements to “boost his body’s natural production of testosterone.” :rolleyes:

Like most everyone else, I suspect Randy was on some shit. All I’m saying is, if you’re having a debate about fighter primes and you’re claiming someone was on gear or TRT or whatever, you should be able to back that up. It comes up when I discuss Hendo all the time. But we can look at exactly what Hendo accomplished on TRT, and what happened to him and his fight record when he stopped, because we pretty much know exactly when that happened. I can source those arguments.
If my friend Fioretti is gonna say “Randy was only good in his 40s because of TRT. Do you know the benefits of TRT??”—and then not actually be able to prove that ever happened, that’s kind of weak.
 
Nice thread! The guys with the best skill sets from 2005-2010 could definitely hang and or become champs this day in age. They laid down the foundation and figured out what works in MMA. These MMA fundamentals are still successful and staples. *I don't know how many people used special juice back in the day or how many people do today. So the comment is assuming it's a even playing field without SJ

 
No, not to my knowledge. Randy had a supplement company called “Xtreme Couture Advanced Pharmaceuticals” or something like that. He always claimed he used his own supplements to “boost his body’s natural production of testosterone.” :rolleyes:

Like most everyone else, I suspect Randy was on some shit. All I’m saying is, if you’re having a debate about fighter primes and you’re claiming someone was on gear or TRT or whatever, you should be able to back that up. It comes up when I discuss Hendo all the time. But we can look at exactly what Hendo accomplished on TRT, and what happened to him and his fight record when he stopped, because we pretty much know exactly when that happened. I can source those arguments.
If my friend Fioretti is gonna say “Randy was only good in his 40s because of TRT. Do you know the benefits of TRT??”—and then not actually be able to prove that ever happened, that’s kind of weak.

I said TRT helped him, not that it was the only reason he was good. His entire gym was on TRT and he clearly wasn't living up to his nickname. You're reaching for the stars, and trying to find fault in anything you can to derail. Not slick, my dude.

Why don't you touch on how he had a decade and half of military and wrestling before competing in MMA? Why didn't the decade rule apply to him?
 
First of all no one said anything about Babe Ruth vs current pitching. But Ruth would absolutely still be crushing the pitchers from the 40s, 50s and possibly the 60s. Ruth was hitting homeruns to center field where the fence was 450ft and calling those shots. In 1921 one of his home runs was measured at 575ft. He was a monster and he was easily two or three decades ahead of his generation. Just like Fedor was.

Secondly 27 year old Fedor would knock 40 year old Fedor out cold, out wrestle him, out grapple him and out scramble him all day.

Babe Ruth wasn't hitting anything 450. That's fantasy created by people at the time by sportwriterw who would exaggerate. Its just like people talking about Fedor's supernatural skills or Nog being an Olympic level boxer. Ruth was an amazing hitting against guys who would throw 80mph. His mechanics were terrible and not something that anyone would teach today. It's the same thing as the romanticizing of the Pride guys.
 
Babe Ruth wasn't hitting anything 450. That's fantasy created by people at the time by sportwriterw who would exaggerate. Its just like people talking about Fedor's supernatural skills or Nog being an Olympic level boxer. Ruth was an amazing hitting against guys who would throw 80mph. His mechanics were terrible and not something that anyone would teach today. It's the same thing as the romanticizing of the Pride guys.

I think your mixing up the Nog Brothers, Lil Nog did have very high level boxing and while Big Nog's boxing was very good especially prior to the Bob Sapp fight(athletically he seemed to lose something after that fight) he wasn't nearly as good of a boxer as his brother. Big Nog did however do very well on the feet against Sergei when they fought who was an Olympic level boxer.

It's not an exaggeration to say that Fedor's reaction time and speed looked superhuman, pretty much all of the best HWs back then agreed that what separated Fedor was his reaction time and speed both Rizzo and Big Nog said he had the fastest reaction time of anyone they had ever seen in MMA.
 
MMA is the only relevant sport. Endurance sports are the next closest, as MMA is an endurance sport. Hilarious that you're too dense to realize the arguments you're attempting to make contradict what you and others are trying to pass off as truth in order to save face for your favorite fighter that you've never met, who doesn't know you exist. Now you're claiming that you've done some "research", but all you did is recently google articles that you believe agree with what you're saying, and combat what I'm saying. Problem is, you're not intelligent or competent enough to understand what I'm saying, nor are you able to conceptualize the difference between the two. You still think that performance reviews are as good as science in regards to physical development and the deterioration of muscle and bone mass. It's not. One of the big arguments that another guy thinks helps his case is :
  • The age of peak athletic performance depends upon the key functional element required of the successful competitor. In events where flexibility is paramount (for example, gymnastics and brief swimming events) the top competitors are commonly adolescents.
How do you think that applies here? You just kinda shot yourself in the keyboard there, buddy boy, didn't ya? These "arguments" you're trying to make, have already been made by other users (years ago) and were shot down then as well. The other guy thought that this exact statement meant gymnasts were in their physical prime. It doesn't. I'll cite some of the science I cited back then that shows you peak athletic performance does not equate to physical prime. Maybe you can try to comprehend how and why they are different? Doubtful, but give it a shot:

A study done by Robert Kail and John Cavanaugh and featured in the book, Human Development: A Life-Span View, stated that men reach their physical peak between their late 20s and early 30s. These findings are further substantiated by a report found in the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science: AGING AND EXERCISE (sportsci.org)

The Human Development: A Life-Span View study concluded that by the time a man reaches their late 30s their physical strength, flexibility, and muscle mass begins to decline and will continue declining. However, you can combat this by participating in regular sporting and fitness activities which will allow you to maintain your peak for at least 20 years longer if you don’t have any debilitating injuries.

Here are some highlights from the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science that are most relevent:


  • Young adulthood typically covers the period from 20-35 years of age, when both biological function and physical performance reach their peak. During young middle-age (35-45 years), physical activity usually wanes, with a 5-10 kg accumulation of body fat.
  • Strength peaks around 25 years of age, plateaus through 35 or 40 years of age, and then shows an accelerating decline, with 25% loss of peak force by the age of 65 years.
  • Muscle mass decreases, apparently with a selective loss in the cross-section if not the numbers of type II fibers. It is unclear whether there is a general hypotrophy of skeletal muscle, or a selective hypoplasia and degeneration of Type II fibers, associated with a loss of nerve terminal sprouting.
  • There is a progressive decrease in the calcium content and a deterioration in the organic matrix of the bones with aging. However, the dividing line between normality and pathology is unclear, and it is also uncertain how far a decrease of habitual physical activity contributes to the age-related calcium loss.
  • The calcium loss can begin as early as 30 years.
  • Regular load-bearing exercise can halt and sometimes even reverse bone mineral loss through the eighth decade of life. Such a regimen is particularly effective when accompanied by a high calcium diet (1500 mg/day).
  • The age of peak athletic performance depends upon the key functional element required of the successful competitor. In events where flexibility is paramount (for example, gymnastics and brief swimming events) the top competitors are commonly adolescents.
  • Because of a longer plateauing of muscle strength, performance in anaerobic events declines less steeply, and in pursuits such as golf and equitation, where experience is paramount, the best competitors are aged 30-40 years.
  • Caution is needed in drawing physiological inferences from athletic records, since the pool of potential competitors decreases with age.
Current MMA Champions by age - The average age of current UFC Champions is 33.55, the average age of Bellator Champions is 32.33, and the average age of all champions from both organizations combined is 33. I've been keeping track and updating this for roughly a year or so. You can see the updates and the failed argument of the other guy in that thread. I've also done every champion from every male division in UFC history, with links in the OP of that thread to each divisional thread, and you probably won't like the results. Just for shits and giggles, I'll link you the HW thread, but I'll make you click on it to see the average.

UFC Champions by age - HW


Do you think the people at the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science might know a thing or two about science, biology, and physiological development? Maybe a bit more than you do? Will you just concede and acknowledge that you were at the very least confused by what I was saying? More realistically, will you admit that you're just emotionally fueled by fanaticism and were talking about shit you didn't know about? This isn't me making shit up, boy, it's me trying to help you understand the difference. These aren't my theories, this is science vs event-based peak individual performance. It just so happens that MMA peak performance aligns almost perfectly with physiological science. Nobody is "past prime" at age 33. This is when their body is naturally at its highest level of physicality.
lol repeating yourself with silly statements about UFC being the only relevant sport; you can't give any examples because you are wrong; I gave too many to count.

That research doesn't even say what you are saying; I don't think you are even capable of understanding it. Average age of a champion isn't peak performance for all fighters, that is apples and oranges.

You are either trolling or really dumb, in either case this you aren't worth talking to, as others have pointed out in this thread. If athletes peak at that age, then they would dominate and be the best at that age, which they are not as evidenced by your silly little thing of repeating over and over about "the only relevant sport," and your inability to come up with any examples. What a goofball.
 
I think your mixing up the Nog Brothers, Lil Nog did have very high level boxing and while Big Nog's boxing was very good especially prior to the Bob Sapp fight(athletically he seemed to lose something after that fight) he wasn't nearly as good of a boxer as his brother. Big Nog did however do very well on the feet against Sergei when they fought who was an Olympic level boxer.

It's not an exaggeration to say that Fedor's reaction time and speed looked superhuman, pretty much all of the best HWs back then agreed that what separated Fedor was his reaction time and speed both Rizzo and Big Nog said he had the fastest reaction time of anyone they had ever seen in MMA.

This is a reasonable post so no snark, but none of this is in disagreement with what I've been saying. What looked superhuman to Rizzo and Nog has no application to the fighters of today.

If any of the UFC announcers today would claim that a fighter had Olympic level boxing, they would rightly be laughed at. In Pride it was part of the myth building. Conor fought Floyd Mayweather for 10 rounds and everyone today knows he's a goof. Ngannou has trained for over 10 years and has never been stopped or hurt bad once, is an absolute beast of a man and no one gives him a remote chance in boxing.
 
This is a reasonable post so no snark, but none of this is in disagreement with what I've been saying. What looked superhuman to Rizzo and Nog has no application to the fighters of today.

If any of the UFC announcers today would claim that a fighter had Olympic level boxing, they would rightly be laughed at. In Pride it was part of the myth building. Conor fought Floyd Mayweather for 10 rounds and everyone today knows he's a goof. Ngannou has trained for over 10 years and has never been stopped or hurt bad once, is an absolute beast of a man and no one gives him a remote chance in boxing.

I don't agree with that at all and don't understand why you think that, human beings haven't evolved to have faster reaction times or to be faster in general. I have yet to see anyone at LHW or HW that has a faster reaction time than Fedor had. If you're going to argue that MMA has evolved I would strongly disagree with that when it comes to the HW division, most guys are less well rounded now than they were in the mid 2000s to about 2014.

I don't get your comparsion of UFC and Pride commentary either, UFC claims pretty much everyone is world class where as Pride didn't seem to do that unless there was a legitimate bases for it like with Lil Nog and Sergei's boxing. Lil Nog and Sergei had legit Olympic level boxing and if not for injuries Sergei would have competed in the Olympics and I think Lil Nog might have had an injury that prevented him from making the Olympic team as well, Ngannou does not have that background. Claiming that Ngannou has Olympic level boxing has no basis in reality but with Sergei and Lil Nog there is a basis for that claim, it's not the same.
 
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I don't agree with that at all and don't understand why you think that, human beings haven't evolved to have faster reaction times or to be faster in general. I have yet to see anyone at LHW or HW that has a faster reaction time than Fedor had. If you're going to argue that MMA has evolved I would strongly disagree with that when it comes to the HW division, most guys are less well rounded now than they were in the mid 2000s to about 2012.

I don't get your comparsion of UFC and Pride commentary either, UFC claims pretty much everyone is world class where as Pride didn't seem to do that unless there was a legitimate bases for it like with Lil Nog and Sergei's boxing.

If you think that competitors at the highest levels of training haven't continually upped their levels of speed throughout recorded human history then I don't know what to tell you.
 
lol repeating yourself with silly statements about UFC being the only relevant sport; you can't give any examples because you are wrong; I gave too many to count.

That research doesn't even say what you are saying; I don't think you are even capable of understanding it. Average age of a champion isn't peak performance for all fighters, that is apples and oranges.

You are either trolling or really dumb, in either case this you aren't worth talking to, as others have pointed out in this thread. If athletes peak at that age, then they would dominate and be the best at that age, which they are not as evidenced by your silly little thing of repeating over and over about "the only relevant sport," and your inability to come up with any examples. What a goofball.

This is a very long winded attempt at ignoring everything presented to you. You immediately contradicted yourself and don't even realize it. How would you measure peak performance in MMA? Reaching the pinnacle doesn't qualify? Gold medals do, though? Do you not understand it is the MMA equivalent of a gold medal? Weird.

You clearly don't understand the science presented to you. Weird again. It seems you don't even know what you're trying to say, let alone what I'm saying. Nice, bud.
 
If you think that competitors at the highest levels of training haven't continually upped their levels of speed throughout recorded human history then I don't know what to tell you.

lol, relative to their own speed sure but human beings don't just evolve to have faster reaction time and speed just because, that's a ridiculous take. The limits of human beings are the same now as they were back in 2000 and not everyone is going to have the same speed and reaction time just based on what their genetics are, some people are just going to be faster and have a faster reaction time because of their genes.

There isn't a HW in the UFC that's faster than Fedor was in his prime and there isn't one that reacts as fast either, it's very obvious. No amount of training would ever make Ngannou faster or react faster than prime Fedor did.
 
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lol, relative to their own speed sure but human beings don't just evolve to have faster reaction time and speed just because, that's a ridiculous take. The limits of human beings are the same now as they were back in 2000 and not everyone is going to have the same speed and reaction time just based on what their genetics are, some people are just going to be faster and have a faster reaction time because of their genes.

There isn't a HW in the UFC that's faster than Fedor was in his prime and there isn't one that reacts as fast either, it's very obvious. No amount of training would ever make Ngannou faster or react faster than prime Fedor did.

There's specialized training and "supplements" designed specifically for this. Things evolve as time progresses. Speed and reaction time can absolutely be improved. The average athlete today will typically be faster and have better reaction times than the average athlete 50 years ago. No question.
 
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