Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[MartinGibson86]

Oh he certainly didn’t decide to, he was forced to. And the results show. And I’m not trying to trash Dan btw, I’m a fan, and have him in my top 10 all time list. But facts are facts:
On TRT: PRIDE WW and MW Champ simultaneously, Strikeforce LHW Champ, win over Fedor.
Of TRT: 2-6, and looked every bit his age. These are facts.

If you’re trying to imply that Dan was secretly on gear, it just have been some terrible stuff <45>

Yea you and your "facts" lol

His first fight off TRT was a SD against the best LHW not named Jones...then a SD with Rashad.


He was 43 and 7 years removed from beating Wand whenhe faced an undefeated DC....is he allowed to EVER be too old---Christ thats 10 years older rhan Fedors skid lol.


Post-TRT 45 year old Hendo KO'd Boersch and Hector Lombard----who are akin to Babalu and Feijao. DC, Moose Belfort, Rashad,and Lyoto are simply MUCH better than either Babalu or Feijao. The Bisping loss was for the title, at 46, and he damn near won.


So...on TRT in Pride, but not for Jake Shields??? ok

 

[MartinGibson86]

You left out Coleman, who was a very good win in 2004 and still a respectable win in 2006.

...and then a farce when he signed to fight Brock in his next fight after lol


Priceless

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Even if you want to take away all the cans Fedor crushed he still has 6-7 wins over legitimately ranked and reputable HWs who were still in their primes. Thats Nog 2x, CC, Tim, AA, Mark Hunt, Herring, Rogers. As I look through the history of the HW division Im struggling to find another HW champion with that many wins against ranked fighters still in their primes. Nog is the only that might be able to match that.

Stipe has exactly 1 win against a ranked HW still in their primes and that's Francis. Francis has 4 maybe 5 tops. Cain and JDS has 4 or 5 tops. Cormier has 3 or 4. CC has 4 tops. Barnett has 4 or 5. Werdum has a handful. And if were going to insist on counting wins against old and washed up former champions Fedor has as few of those as well.

No matter how you slice it Fedor's resume still to this day comes out on top when it comes to HW.

I do not deny that hence why Fedoe to me is the p4p GOAT given his size and is a top 5 HW and top 3 HW of all time.

But I have to objective

Nog, Timmy, Hunt and Rodgers are extremely 1 dimesional and would not be top fighters today or back then in the Strikeforce/UFC merger days. Overeem and Fedor exposed Rodgers who never got another good win. Hunt is 1 dimensional. And Tim lol really? Also Herring ? Tai is a better opponent than Herring..and Nog was an elite BJJ guy but would not get down modern HWs and struggle to submit them. Nog fans like to say he was out of prime for all his losses but they are naive and have rose colored glasses on.

I’m gonna take aim at this too.
This is Fedor vs Babalu
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It’s hardly an example of Fedor beating up on some poor, smaller opponent.

Randleman? He’s a former UFC HW champ, was coming off a KO win over Cro Cop, and there was a measly 9 pound weight difference.

Coleman is likewise a former UFC champ and PRIDE GP champ, and Fedor outweighed him by only 6.5 lbs.

This is the kind of stuff we’re finding fault with? Like Fedor is some weight bully for outweighing some guys by a few pounds? These differences happen at HW all the time.

Let me rephrase. Forgive my English

Fedor is p4p GOAT because he himself was small for HW and the most talented fighter I ever saw in terms of his well roundness. Only GSP is perhaps better in terms of well roundedness.

Fedor did factually beat a combined 20 opponents who were his size or smaller or who were cans. That is a fact that I cannot deny

You are right he faced guys his same size but these guys were not the size of true HWs or modern HWs or what HWs weighed during the peak of the division which was 2010 to 2016. Of which like 4 of those years were Pre USADA

My point is Stipe did not have this luxury of 20 some opponent wins Fedor has. My point is also going forward Gane and Pavlovich wont have this luxury. Pavlovich for example has 17 wins

Only ONE of his 17 wins is vs a can with a losing record

Only ONE opponent has a 500 record a tied lies and wins.

The other 15 wins he has are all vs opponents with winning records and all of them weighing over 240lbs. Of which some are fat HWs who should be at MW or LHW but are nor small guys. Going forward Pavlovich if he stays in the UFC will never get a chance to pad his record. And I realize it was not Fedors intention to pad he just fought who they provided and who paid him. However some old school fans seem incappable of realizing that some of the top fighters Fedor beat were 1 dimesional and were also small HWs or were unathletic and 1 dimesional.

 

[BFoe]

Yea you and your "facts" lol

His first fight off TRT was a SD against the best LHW not named Jones...then a SD with Rashad.


He was 43 and 7 years removed from beating Wand whenhe faced an undefeated DC....is he allowed to EVER be too old---Christ thats 10 years older rhan Fedors skid lol.


Post-TRT 45 year old Hendo KO'd Boersch and Hector Lombard----who are akin to Babalu and Feijao. DC, Moose Belfort, Rashad,and Lyoto are simply MUCH better than either Babalu or Feijao. The Bisping loss was for the title, at 46, and he damn near won.


So...on TRT in Pride, but not for Jake Shields??? ok

Of course Hendo is allowed to be too old, that’s literally my point. I said he was off TRT and “looked every bit his age.” He was old, and would’ve looked too old long before that had he not been on TRT. That is, in fact, why people take TRT.
And sure he was on it against Shields. But Shields at that time was
a) a beast
b) younger
c) on the juice himself

And yes, Boetsch and Lombard would be the “2” in 2-6, obviously. And Lombard nearly fucked Dan up. Let’s not forget that the Brazilian commission allowed TRT that one time after the ban, and Hendo was back on it for one fight during that stretch. He won (the shogun rematch).

...and then a farce when he signed to fight Brock in his next fight after lol


Priceless

“The next fighter after” was like 2 years later lol. And I have never called it a farce, although if we’re talking about being a title eliminator, then yes it would be. Like I said, Coleman was still a very good win in 2004; less so in 2006; and of course even less so by 2008 which is when Brock was going to fight him.

To speak to what @OneOfOne was saying, Coleman in my view was just getting less and less active. In 2004, he was 6-7 years removed from being UFC champ, like Arlovski was with Stipe, sure. But Coleman was only 4 years removed from his PRIDE GP win, he was coming off a win over Frye, and had won 7 of his previous 8 fights with the lone loss being to Nog. He was still in pretty good form in 2004, especially in Japan when juiced to the gills. You could see the difference in 2006 though.

 

[BFoe]

Let me rephrase. Forgive my English

Fedor is p4p GOAT because he himself was small for HW and the most talented fighter I ever saw in terms of his well roundness. Only GSP is perhaps better in terms of well roundedness.

Fedor did factually beat a combined 20 opponents who were his size or smaller or who were cans. That is a fact that I cannot deny

You are right he faced guys his same size but these guys were not the size of true HWs or modern HWs or what HWs weighed during the peak of the division which was 2010 to 2016. Of which like 4 of those years were Pre USADA

My point is Stipe did not have this luxury of 20 some opponent wins Fedor has. My point is also going forward Gane and Pavlovich wont have this luxury. Pavlovich for example has 17 wins

Only ONE of his 17 wins is vs a can with a losing record

Only ONE opponent has a 500 record a tied lies and wins.

The other 15 wins he has are all vs opponents with winning records and all of them weighing over 240lbs. Of which some are fat HWs who should be at MW or LHW but are nor small guys. Going forward Pavlovich if he stays in the UFC will never get a chance to pad his record. And I realize it was not Fedors intention to pad he just fought who they provided and who paid him. However some old school fans seem incappable of realizing that some of the top fighters Fedor beat were 1 dimesional and were also small HWs or were unathletic and 1 dimesional.

I actually didn’t realize English wasn’t your first language, so don’t worry about that at all. Your English is very good

I agree with you that Stipe didn’t get to pad his record in that fashion. What he did get to do, is beat a lot of old and past prime fighters.

What I am saying though, is:

• Fedor fought good and ranked competition as often as Stipe did
• By and large, the former champs Fedor fought were in prime and much closer to their title reigns than the former champs stipe fought
• The number of wins in Fedor’s streak really isn’t what I think is important. He put together an undefeated run that included 11 ranked wins, 5 former or future UFC champions, 7 title wins (more if we include his RINGS and PRIDE tournament titles), and 5 total title defenses. Stipe can’t say that. JDS can’t say that. Ngannou, Gane, Cain, whomever—can’t say that.

That’s why Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I actually didn’t realize English wasn’t your first language, so don’t worry about that at all. Your English is very good

I agree with you that Stipe didn’t get to pad his record in that fashion. What he did get to do, is beat a lot of old and past prime fighters.

What I am saying though, is:

• Fedor fought good and ranked competition as often as Stipe did
• By and large, the former champs Fedor fought were in prime and much closer to their title reigns than the former champs stipe fought
• The number of wins in Fedor’s streak really isn’t what I think is important. He put together an undefeated run that included 11 ranked wins, 5 former or future UFC champions, 7 title wins (more if we include his RINGS and PRIDE tournament titles), and 5 total title defenses. Stipe can’t say that. JDS can’t say that. Ngannou, Gane, Cain, whomever—can’t say that.

That’s why Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

If Fedor wins his next fight at this stage it will just raise his value even more. I always say Cain would be destroyed by Fedor

I literally only feel Prime Fedor losses to Stipe and Werdum and 50/50 or 60/40 for Ngannou


Edit Fedor destroys Cain

 

[Megatronlee]

He ain’t no goat

 

[HHJ]

Fedor is GOD.

 

[MyFavSport]

I'm not gonna bother reading every page of this unoriginal thread. But I will drop in and say that
- Sylvia was mentally not there when they fought
- Arlovski lost to fucking brett Roger's not to long after the Fedor fight.

-Heath Herring was not a great fighter. Look at some of the no names the man lost too and the only 2 wins in his career that amount to much are old ass Igor and years later Chieck Kongo
-Monson, Rizzo, Mir, Sonnen and Rampage were old shells just collecting paychecks.
- Mark Hunt has power but also very big weaknesses and lots of Losses.
-Coleman and Randleman were tough dudes but plenty of weaknesses and ugly losses.
-Arona and Sobral were LHW who were yet to reach their peak when Fedor fought them.

-Nogueira is overrated as well. Dont fight me just my humble and correct opinion.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I actually didn’t realize English wasn’t your first language, so don’t worry about that at all. Your English is very good

I agree with you that Stipe didn’t get to pad his record in that fashion. What he did get to do, is beat a lot of old and past prime fighters.

What I am saying though, is:

• Fedor fought good and ranked competition as often as Stipe did
• By and large, the former champs Fedor fought were in prime and much closer to their title reigns than the former champs stipe fought
• The number of wins in Fedor’s streak really isn’t what I think is important. He put together an undefeated run that included 11 ranked wins, 5 former or future UFC champions, 7 title wins (more if we include his RINGS and PRIDE tournament titles), and 5 total title defenses. Stipe can’t say that. JDS can’t say that. Ngannou, Gane, Cain, whomever—can’t say that.

That’s why Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Stipe beat older fighters but they were all good fighters or were elite and still okay. That is better than 20 non good fighters.

Yeah I will agree Fedor fought more prime guys but where I disagree is the skill set of opponents. The out of prime guys Stipe beat I feel would handle the top 10 HWs that Fedor beat. The exception is Prime Arlovski, and Cro Cop being the best wins for Fedor especially consideeing Cro Cop later expanded his arsenal

 

[Fioretti]

He fought ranked guys less than 30% of the time in his first 30+ fights.

3-3 the first time he fought 6 top guys in a row. This is not coincidence, boys.

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

Doesn't have a top 5 HW GOAT win.

Stipe has 4 (Frank, DC, JDS, Werdun)

But he did in his prime (Nog, CroCop, Sylvia) when they actually fought.

 

[ermac88]

Oh he certainly didn’t decide to, he was forced to. And the results show. And I’m not trying to trash Dan btw, I’m a fan, and have him in my top 10 all time list. But facts are facts:
On TRT: PRIDE WW and MW Champ simultaneously, Strikeforce LHW Champ, win over Fedor.
Of TRT: 2-6, and looked every bit his age. These are facts.

If you’re trying to imply that Dan was secretly on gear, it just have been some terrible stuff <45>

Dan was damn near 50 when getting off TRT.
50 still fighting some of the best fighters on the planet, including the best HW at the time; meanwhile people say Fedor was washed up at 30.

All of that's irrelevant though.

He clobbered Fedor in his 40s when stepping in the cage as a MW.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Stipe beat older fighters but they were all good fighters or were elite and still okay. That is better than 20 non good fighters.

Yeah I will agree Fedor fought more prime guys but where I disagree is the skill set of opponents. The out of prime guys Stipe beat I feel would handle the top 10 HWs that Fedor beat. The exception is Prime Arlovski, and Cro Cop being the best wins for Fedor especially consideeing Cro Cop later expanded his arsenal

C'mon...we all know a "prime" Fujita or Ogawa are better wins than Reem and JDS were for Stipe.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I personally feel like Pride and UFC goats should be separated, primarily for the difference in the rules and setting. I think people don't realize how much a ring versus a cage makes a difference, plus the 10 minute first round. They would often do resets to the center of the ring if the fighters got to the edge of the ring on the ground, which effectively takes out cage wrestling and grappling, which is a huge part of cage MMA like in the UFC or Bellator. Cage cutting and ringe craft are also drastically different in a massive cage vs a small square ring. I actually think this plays a large part in the downfall of Fedor in Strikeforce and the lack of expected success for Cro Cop in the UFC, not so much that they exited their primes.
Fedor is without a doubt the Pride goat and the Pride heavyweight goat, but Stipe is the UFC heavyweight goat. I believe that's how those kinds of things should be sorted out versus arguing who was better when we really have no idea because the rules were so much different.

Just my 2 cents!

You have been here more than long enough to know that nothing you post is supposed to make sense.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Id have to disagree with the Coleman fights. I would compare those wins with Stipe ko'ing Arlovski in 2016. Big names but relatively little value. Especially the 2006 fight. Id say the last win over Coleman that carried real value was Nog's win in 2001. By 2004 Coleman was a dinosaur both in age and ability.

AA had won 10 of 11 coming into the Stipe fight and was on his longest UFC win streak.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

C'mon...we all know a "prime" Fujita or Ogawa are better wins than Reem and JDS were for Stipe.

Were they top 10 wins though?

 

[Eater of Souls]

Let me rephrase. Forgive my English

Your English is just fine. Nothing to apologize for.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

But he did in his prime (Nog, CroCop, Sylvia) when they actually fought.

Yeah but you really think Tim Sylvia and Nog represent the peak of MMA? Talk about unathletic and 1 dimesional. Cro Cop later evolved so I cannot call him 1 dimesional and Arlovski is not listed but he had several peaks but cannot be called an all time great.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Nog was was well rounded, durable and had great endurance. He also took down everyone he fought in Pride. This wouldn't be possible if he wasn't athletic. You clown.

Sylvia had size, he knocked people out with punches and kicks, he had a good jab and good takedown defense and knocked out Rico Rodriguez with GnP. He wasn't any less well rounded than Lewis, Rozenstruik, Tuivasa or Volkov who all are or were top 5 in this era.

You're one of the dumbest posters on this forum.

Nog was not but I cannot talk to you objectively about his skillset as you have rose colored glasses on. You refuse to see reality that the masses can see and you HAVE to play up Nogs skillset as if a similar style fighter would at all be relevant or high level beyond 2012. Which they would NOT be! I swear most Fedor hardcore fans do the same thing. Ill give you Arlovski and later Cro Cop being beasts but Nog was never an athletic beast or strong or a good striker or a good wrestler....

Second of all Sylvia was far less well rounded than the top 5 Stipe wins. That was my original point if you checked who I replied to we were talking about the top 5 wins for each fighter and how they compare. Sylvia is an inferior striker to Derrick Lewis and Tai Tuvasa I mean especially to Tai. Tai has kickboxing and boxing resumes that are decent and has a good far better MMA KO resume and wins then the Maniac who was KOd by Mercer and lost to cans.

Third Arlovski is not a top 5 GOAT and that is what I was talking about originally. Maybe not even top 10 lets think who deserves to be above him

Fedor
Ngannou
Cain
Cormier
Stipe
Werdum
Overeem
Dos Santos
Mir?
Arlovski?

I guess he makes top 10.

Fourth- you are overly emotional and petty. The insults are amusing that you throw and so how triggered and small you are.