Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[Sweater of AV]

GOAT

 

[swarrrm]

 

[anuscakes]

You could comment on some of the quality of wins Fedor fought in the GP's but atleast he was fighting more than once a year unlike Stipe, not to mention the constant rematches later in his career.

 

[Reffson]

No he doesn’t. Elite? Certainly not.
Can? Sucks? No.

He was late to MMA. Like 28 years old. He still won most of his fights.

 

[Simple Southerner]

No cliffs nada? Oh well STILL GOAT

 

[BFoe]

He was late to MMA. Like 28 years old. He still won most of his fights.

Yeah—and I totally get that he doesn’t really have shit for quality wins, I’m not oblivious to that point lol. We can basically say he’s a high level judoka that was good enough to beat subpar competition (all by finish), but not beat good/elite competition. But that doesn’t make him a can. Now someone like Yuji Nagata is a can.

 

[icemun]

Yeah, I believe that was part of Hendo’s legendary 2-6 run off TRT.
Levels, indeed.

Unlikely he was, "off"

Improbable Dan decided to become natty at 44 after years of usage and not years of being in Pride.

 

[BFoe]

Unlikely he was, "off"

Improbable Dan decided to become natty at 44 after years of usage and not years of being in Pride.

Oh he certainly didn’t decide to, he was forced to. And the results show. And I’m not trying to trash Dan btw, I’m a fan, and have him in my top 10 all time list. But facts are facts:
On TRT: PRIDE WW and MW Champ simultaneously, Strikeforce LHW Champ, win over Fedor.
Of TRT: 2-6, and looked every bit his age. These are facts.

If you’re trying to imply that Dan was secretly on gear, it just have been some terrible stuff <45>

 

[Fioretti]

Why would I be mad about being right?
We can call it 10 if it makes you feel better. I wish I had never shown you the MMANews ranking for Fujita, you about had an existential crisis that day <45>

JDS is top 5 HW all time, no doubt.
Ranked wins? Fedor has more.
Title wins? Fedor has more.
Title defenses? Fedor has several more.

Fedor’s resume is superior to JDS’s, and it’s even not close honestly.

The fact that you're trying to count WAMMA title wins and defenses is sad, brother.

Hunt and Randleman (at the time they fought Fedro) were technicalities. They aren't testaments of quality opposition. They're the opposite, just as Fujita is.

You're changing your approach when evaluating JDS's opponents, and that reeks of bias, friend. My next day off is Wednesday. Hopefully I'll have time to sit down and crush your dreams then. Until I am able to do so, just be a little less bias and acknowledge that JDS's first 16 fights in the UFC had more top 10 and worthy opponents than Fedro's entire career. No mad, buddy.

 

[BFoe]

The fact that you're trying to count WAMMA title wins and defenses is sad, brother.

Hunt and Randleman (at the time they fought Fedro) were technicalities. They aren't testaments of quality opposition. They're the opposite, just as Fujita is.

You're changing your approach when evaluating JDS's opponents, and that reeks of bias, friend. My next day off is Wednesday. Hopefully I'll have time to sit down and crush your dreams then. Until I am able to do so, just be a little less bias and acknowledge that JDS's first 16 fights in the UFC had more top 10 and worthy opponents than Fedro's entire career. No mad, buddy.

I’m not using a different standard at all, and the Fujita thing is a great example. You and I agree that we wouldn’t put Fujita top 10 in the world at the time—but MMANews did, and they’re absolutely a well known and reputable outlet. I pulled multiple sources to check JDS’s ranked wins, and all sources were in agreement. I told you if you can find a single reputable source for a given ranking, I’d honor it. How is that unfair or a different standard? I’m giving you far more leeway than you’ve shown me, my friend.

You and I both use JDS as an example of a dude with a killer resume. I have nothing but respect for the man’s resume. But it’s not a matter of, “Oh, he fought Cro Cop”—he fought Cro Cop in 2009, and Mirko wasn’t ranked by then. This is true of a lot of the names that one would assume must’ve been ranked wins because of their name value, but often times they were not.

Regarding titles, you have to look at the org, factors, and lineage. WAMMA, DREAM, RIZIN, ONE, Strikeforce, Bellator…these titles aren’t equal to UFC or PRIDE titles imo, but still need to be accounted for when evaluating someone’s legacy. Shinya Aoki’s WAMMA title is def < Melendez’s Strikeforce title, no doubt. But Fedor’s WAMMA title > Overeem’s DREAM or Strikeforce titles. I don’t see how one can argue otherwise.

Randleman and Hunt aren’t technicalities. Randleman was a ranked LHW who moved up to HW, KOed a ranked HW in Cro Cop, and therefore became ranked himself. That’s not some sort of wizardry or black magic lol, that’s literally how rankings work.
Earlier this year, Tai Tuivasa went from being unranked to being ranked #3 simply by beating Derrick Lewis lmao.

 

[Shaddows]

Always wondered why Wand was never considered a ufc reject is all lol


i was just funnin...i think most doggers are well aware of his first ufc run

I understand, but come on now... give me some credit.
It was fairly obvious what I was trying to say.

 

[Otto!]

I’d say top 2. It’s Fedor and GSP at the top, either order is acceptable.

This all day.

 

[Grappler111]

He was defeated by Arona

 

[BFoe]

He was defeated by Arona

Lol not this shit again.

 

[OneOfOne]

idiot, your exact words were, "Fedor's prime was around 2003-2007"

4 years bozo...5 if including all of 03 and 07

Fedors peak lasted about 4-5 years. His overall prime last 9-10 yrs. Most fighters are only at their peak for 3-6 years and 6-8 fights, at most. Its rare you see guys maintain their peaks for much longer than that.

Stipe's peak and prime were over after the 2nd Cormier fight, for example. That gave Stipe, what, 4 or 5 years of peak performance? A 6-7 yr prime? 8 or 9 fights?

 

[BFoe]

Fedors peak lasted about 4-5 years. His overall prime last 9-10 yrs. Most fighters are only at their peak for 3-6 years and 6-8 fights, at most. Its rare you see guys maintain their peaks for much longer than that.

Stipe's peak and prime were over after the 2nd Cormier fight, for example. That gave Stipe, what, 4 or 5 years of peak performance? A 6-7 yr prime? 8 or 9 fights?

This, this, this.
People use “peak” and “prime” synonymously and they aren’t the same.
Primes last around 10 years. Peak maybe 3–4.
Fedor’s prime was 2001-2009/10, but his peak was from maybe 2002-2205/6.

 

[OneOfOne]

The fact that you're trying to count WAMMA title wins and defenses is sad, brother.

Hunt and Randleman (at the time they fought Fedro) were technicalities. They aren't testaments of quality opposition. They're the opposite, just as Fujita is.

You're changing your approach when evaluating JDS's opponents, and that reeks of bias, friend. My next day off is Wednesday. Hopefully I'll have time to sit down and crush your dreams then. Until I am able to do so, just be a little less bias and acknowledge that JDS's first 16 fights in the UFC had more top 10 and worthy opponents than Fedro's entire career. No mad, buddy.

I would say JDS holds elite wins over Cain, Werdum, Stipe, Carwin, and maybe Frank Mir. So, 4 or 5 tops. He has respectable wins over Hunt, Cro Cop, Rothwell and Lewis. Maybe Gonzaga.

Fedor has elite wins over Nog 2x, Cro Cop, AA, Sylvia, and Mark Hunt. Thats 6. He has reapectable wins over Herring, Rogers, Schilt, Sobral, & Randleman.

 

[BFoe]

I would say JDS holds elite wins over Cain, Werdum, Stipe, Carwin, and maybe Frank Mir. So, 4 or 5 tops. He has respectable wins over Hunt, Cro Cop, Rothwell and Lewis. Maybe Gonzaga.

Fedor has elite wins over Nog 2x, Cro Cop, AA, Sylvia, and Mark Hunt. Thats 6. He has reapectable wins over Herring, Rogers, Schilt, Sobral, & Randleman.

You left out Coleman, who was a very good win in 2004 and still a respectable win in 2006.

 

[JKS]

Gonna be another 40-50 page thread arguing about Fedor's resume. Never gets old!

 

[OneOfOne]

You left out Coleman, who was a very good win in 2004 and still a respectable win in 2006.

Id have to disagree with the Coleman fights. I would compare those wins with Stipe ko'ing Arlovski in 2016. Big names but relatively little value. Especially the 2006 fight. Id say the last win over Coleman that carried real value was Nog's win in 2001. By 2004 Coleman was a dinosaur both in age and ability.