Fedor Emelianenko, Georges St. Pierre or Jon Jones - Who's the more complete fighter?

[TGArthur]

1. Fedor
2. Jones
3. Silva
4. MM
5. Usman
6. Serra
7. GSP

 

[HereticBD]

Losing near the end of your career doesn't mean shit. I swear it only happens in fighting where people come up with that retarded argument. I've never heard somebody call Federer or Tiger Woods a can because they have some losses later on in their careers.

Sure, but it hasn't happened to Jones(or GSP for that matter), so you gotta go with what you got. It's also not outlandish to suggest that Jones beats them all. He has the striking that GSP didn't possess, and the wrestling that Fedor didn't possess. Dude is an enigma, and you won't see many like him for quite some time.

 

[Barteh]

Sure, but it hasn't happened to Jones(or GSP for that matter), so you gotta go with what you got. It's also not outlandish to suggest that Jones beats them all. He has the striking that GSP didn't possess, and the wrestling that Fedor didn't possess. Dude is an enigma, and you won't see many like him for quite some time.

I think it's fair to consider Jones the GOAT I just disagree with dismissing others based on losses towards the end of their careers. I think the 0 in combat sports is very underrated.

 

[theleerygoose]

Jon was arguably the best wrestler and striker in his division, GSP was well rounded but nobody argued he was the best striker.

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

jones. more finishing moves from more positions. as much as i like fedor having bricks in his hands from kicks, punches, elbows, knees hes out gunned.

gsp being on this list is weird. his mma game is complete for sure, but i cant see him in the same light as people i believe are just as smart, who have far more kill moves.

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

Jones is the GOAT.

Hard to believe people are still in denial.

There's literally not a man on earth that would beat him in his prime.

 

[Kb7]

I'm talking in terms of the ages they decline, supposedly according to you someone dropping off in their mid 30's is impossible yet people don't seem to question when UFC fighters do so.

UFC fighters decline because of hard training against great fighters then fighting elite fighters as competition. Fedor declined because of his competition, not because of his age. He never evolved or added new tools and strategies because he was fighting not great competition, I would say “cans” but we know how much the mods hate that term.

Fedor fought and trained to his level, he’s on the same boat as Ben Askren to me.

 

[HHJ]

UFC fighters decline because of hard training against great fighters then fighting elite fighters as competition. Fedor declined because of his competition, not because of his age. He never evolved or added new tools and strategies because he was fighting not great competition

lmao

one of those "you only dominated for 10 yrs,why not 20 you fucking can,way to evolve" posts.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

They are fairely equal but Feodor actually has one punch KO power which the other two don't. That's the difference boys and girls.

 

[BFoe]

UFC fighters decline because of hard training against great fighters then fighting elite fighters as competition. Fedor declined because of his competition, not because of his age. He never evolved or added new tools and strategies because he was fighting not great competition, I would say “cans” but we know how much the mods hate that term.

Fedor fought and trained to his level, he’s on the same boat as Ben Askren to me.

2 of the 3 fighters Fedor lost to in Strikeforce were former PRIDE fighters though.

Your argument would maybe make sense if Fedor had come to the UFC instead of Strikeforce, and lost to Cain and JDS or something. Undoubtedly Fedor Stans would say he lost because of decline while others would say he just wasn’t good enough to beat the new school of HWs; but that’s just not what happened.

As far as adding new tools? As far as adapting his style to the cage, that maybe has some truth. But that also can take time. Fedor had 30+ fights in his career already, all of them inside a ring. In terms of his MMA game, Fedor was always extremely well-rounded and was a more complete fighter than any of the guys he lost to in Strikeforce.

Your argument just doesn’t make any sense at all.

 

[Chayanne]

Gsp and jones avoid fighters.
Fedor in his prime was the goat against everybody.

 

[Bwagster]

In the octagon ring, there's a fighter named Jones, known for his skills, with some bone-crushing tones. He moves like the wind, in a dance of delight, dodging those punches, what a formidable sight!

John Jones, they call him, with kicks that amaze. He spins and he strikes in some wild, wacky ways. With elbows like hammers and knees that could soar, he leaves his opponents sprawled out on the floor.

But outside the cage, there's a different side seen. He's scared of spiders, even the tiny and lean. He practices yoga in pink flowery tights. Says it keeps him limber for those fierce fight nights.

He'll order takeout, loves a big pizza pie, despite trainers' advice, it's his guilty delight. With muscles so strong, yet a love for all cheese. He's a champ in the ring, but a foodie with ease.

So here's to John Jones, the UFC's own king, with skills that impress and a pizza-shaped ring. In the fight for the belt or a slice on a plate, he's a warrior bold, with a laugh that's first-rate!

 

[suprah]

This forum will most likely vote for either Fedor or Jones, but personally I go with GSP for the most complete or at least well rounded fighter.

Doubt the people who have been into mma a long time would vote for Jones. I dont see him doing as well back when they didnt have weight classes. Look at the pics.............nothing more needs to be said.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

The only reason GSP could be leading this poll is racism. Jon is clearly the superior and more well rounded fighter. GSP literally has a jab, superman punch, a couple of karate kicks and a blast double.

Jon has no hands, that's why.

 

[michi972]

Fedor’s overall grappling is better than the other two.

Nope

 

[michi972]

1. Jones - striking A+, wrestling A+, grappling - A
2. GSP - striking - A, wrestling A+, grappling A-
3. Fedor - striking A+, wrestling B+, grappling - A

Gap grappling A-? Dude, did you see him Rolling with Estima and Roger? He probably Has the beat grappling of these three

 

[TheComputerGuy]

2 of the 3 fighters Fedor lost to in Strikeforce were former PRIDE fighters though.

Your argument would maybe make sense if Fedor had come to the UFC instead of Strikeforce, and lost to Cain and JDS or something. Undoubtedly Fedor Stans would say he lost because of decline while others would say he just wasn’t good enough to beat the new school of HWs; but that’s just not what happened.

As far as adding new tools? As far as adapting his style to the cage, that maybe has some truth. But that also can take time. Fedor had 30+ fights in his career already, all of them inside a ring. In terms of his MMA game, Fedor was always extremely well-rounded and was a more complete fighter than any of the guys he lost to in Strikeforce.

Your argument just doesn’t make any sense at all.

It is sherdog. Most people here are kids that watch WWE, or 40 year olds that live with mommy that watch WWE. Most of sherdog that was actually watching back in the Pride days are gone. Of course his logic doesn't make sense.

 

[TheComputerGuy]

UFC fighters decline because of hard training against great fighters then fighting elite fighters as competition. Fedor declined because of his competition, not because of his age. He never evolved or added new tools and strategies because he was fighting not great competition, I would say “cans” but we know how much the mods hate that term.

Fedor fought and trained to his level, he’s on the same boat as Ben Askren to me.

He fought UFC champions. I guess those are cans. Plus he beat all the HWs in pride, and pride had all the top fighters.

 

[TheComputerGuy]

Jones is the GOAT.

Hard to believe people are still in denial.

There's literally not a man on earth that would beat him in his prime.

USADA beat him so many times the UFC had to kick them out.

There is not a legit sport that would consider a 1 time drug failure the best, much less 3.

 

[John makfresshi]

No human who has ever lived in the history of this planet has even a tiny chance of beating Jon Jones in a fight

Jones can easily defeat most fully grown animals too. Even a fully adult silverback gorilla, who is slightly stronger than Jones, won't beat Jones due to the skill and fight iq of Jones. He would easily submit it or choke it out
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elephants would be too slow against Jones. Tigers and lions have a small chance due to their speed and sharp teeth but I still give Jones the edge
No force on Earth or beyond can compare to the prowess and skill of Jon Jones in a fight.

In the cosmic arena, not even the burning intensity of stars can overshadow Jones's brilliance. He could outshine them with his strategic intelligence, leaving them dim in comparison.

Facing the microscopic and elusive viruses, Jones's fight IQ would find a way to defeat them, conquering the unseen with the same finesse he shows in the ring.

Earthquakes may shake the world, but they cannot shake Jon Jones's determination and strength. He would stand unbroken against their force, a symbol of resilience unparalleled.

Floods, with their relentless power and overwhelming force, would find no victory over Jones. He would navigate through them with grace and skill, mastering the torrents with the same ease he masters his opponents.

Even the mechanical might of buses and semi-trucks would not deter Jones. He would face them head-on, outmaneuvering their sheer mass and power, rendering them as mere obstacles in his path.

Indeed, whether it's nature's fury or man's creation, nothing can defeat Jon Jones. His skill, intelligence, and indomitable spirit rise above all adversaries, making him an unparalleled force in any battle.


And I'd like to add for completeness:


Jon Jones's prowess is not limited to mere earthly opponents; it extends into the very fabric of the universe, where he contends with the four fundamental forces that govern all of existence.

Time, that relentless and unyielding force, would find itself bested by Jones. With his acute perception and unparalleled skill, he would manipulate time's flow, dancing between moments, and remaining always a step ahead of an adversary that has defeated all others.

When faced with the enigmatic origin of the universe, the very fabric of existence, Jones would delve into its mysteries with the curiosity and determination that have defined his career. He would unravel the secrets of creation, mastering them as he has mastered every challenge he has ever faced.

Quantum physics, with its paradoxes and complexities, would be no match for Jones's intellect and intuition. He would weave through its uncertainties, embracing its probabilistic nature, and finding clarity in the chaos. The bewildering world of subatomic particles would become as familiar to him as the ring, his understanding transcending what seemed unfathomable.

Gravity, the force that binds the cosmos, would find itself no match for Jones. With his innate understanding of balance and control, he would overcome gravity's pull, moving with a grace and precision that defy its constraints. He would float above the Earth, unbound by the force that holds others captive.

Facing the Weak Nuclear Force, responsible for the decay of subatomic particles, Jones would demonstrate a stability and resilience that transcend atomic deterioration. His skill and fight IQ would allow him to navigate the very building blocks of matter, maintaining integrity where others would falter and break down.

The Strong Nuclear Force, which holds the nucleus of an atom together, would be met with a strength of character and physicality that it could not overcome. Jones would reach into the heart of the atom, taming the force that binds protons and neutrons, exerting a control that echoes his mastery in the ring.

Even the Electromagnetic Force, governing the interactions between charged particles, would yield to Jones's command. His ability to sense and respond to the subtlest of energies would enable him to influence electromagnetic fields, manipulating them with the same dexterity with which he maneuvers his opponents.

No matter the adversary, whether a fully grown silverback gorilla, stars, viruses, earthquakes, floods, semi-trucks, or even the fundamental forces of the universe, Jon Jones emerges victorious. His mastery of physical and metaphysical realms stands as a testament to human potential, a symbol of what can be achieved through skill, determination, and an unbreakable will. The universe itself becomes his arena, and he stands undefeated, a champion in every sense of the word.

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