Fedor Emelianenko, Georges St. Pierre or Jon Jones - Who's the more complete fighter?

Out of these 3, who's the most complete fighter?

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TheComputerGuy said:
That is true. GSP changed after he lost to Serra. Mayweather wasn't always boring either.
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After his loss to Serra his fights with Penn, Fitch, Condit, Hendricks, and Bisping were all very good. I think his boring quality is overstated.
 
HereticBD said:
If you want to get technical, sure, but that DQ shit with Jones is about as valid as Fedor's first "loss", due to a cut.
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I guess you think Jones should just be allowed to cheat. He landed at least 3 illegal elbows. I realize later in his career he was allowed this kind of stuff, like 4 eye pokes in 1 fight. That should have been a DQ by at least the 3rd one.

Fedor didn't actually lose. It was a tournament, and they had to have someone continue.
 
krelianx said:
After his loss to Serra his fights with Penn, Fitch, Condit, Hendricks, and Bisping were all very good. I think his boring quality is overstated.
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I'm going on memory, but I think his BJ fight was before he lost to Serra. Hendricks and Condit fights were entertaining.

I don't actually remember the Bisping fight that well. My interest in MMA had dropped a lot by that point.
 
TheComputerGuy said:
I guess you think Jones should just be allowed to cheat. He landed at least 3 illegal elbows. I realize later in his career he was allow this kind of stuff. Like 4 eye pokes in 1 fight, that should have been a DQ by at least the 3rd one.

Fedor didn't actually lose. It was a tournament, and they had to have someone continue.
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Fedor didn't actually lose, but Jones did? Yeah, okay. They're both L's on their official records, bruh. You don't get to make up special rules for one, and not the other. Illegal blows happen all the time, and Jones' weren't so egregious that it warranted a straight up DQ. He deserved a point deduction at worst.

Regardless, Jones hasn't actually lost in combat. Fedor has been subbed and KO'd multiple times. Jones >>> Fedor.
 
GSP & Jones are incredibly well versed. I think Jones is the most improvisational.
 
Fedor was great but he wasn't as complete as GSP and Jones. I think Jones overall has a bigger arsenal than GSP but GSP might have been slightly better at striking and wrestling. Tough one I'll go Jones.
 
HereticBD said:
Fedor didn't actually lose, but Jones did? Yeah, okay. They're both L's on their official records, bruh. You don't get to make up special rules for one, and not the other. Illegal blows happen all the time, and Jones' weren't so egregious that it warranted a straight up DQ. He deserved a point deduction at worst.

Regardless, Jones hasn't actually lost in combat. Fedor has been subbed and KO'd multiple times. Jones >>> Fedor.
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An illegal blow that was accidental won't not be a DQ. An elbow isn't accidental, repeated multiple times, and causes the fight to stop, should always be a DQ.

Why don't you watch Frank Mir Vs Wes Sims. Sims slammed Mir into the mat, and if he walked away he probably would have won the fight right there. Instead he stomped him in the head 2-3 times, and was DQed. I don't hear Dana White crying about that DQ. It was pretty much the exact same thing. Head stomps were actually legal in other orgs, so he just got confused. Jones only fought in the UFC, he is just a cheater.

Fedor was fighting in a tournament. He was given an L, because he wasn't able to continue not because he lost the fight.
 
Jones has the best defense out of all three. Both GSP and Fedor have gotten lit up on the feet too much.


And still reigning Champ. It’s not close.


<JonesLaugh>
 
Typrune Goatley said:
Jones and GSP have better wrestling than Fedor but Fedor has much better striking and submissions than both. Jones and GSP really don't have KO power either. You can't be the most complete of all time without KO power.

Choi was 380 pounds and a national champion wrestler. Hunt weighed around 300 at that time. Bigfoot was 265 and had decent takedowns, although Fedor should have been able to stop that takedown. Lindland was an Olympic Silver Medalist wrestler. I would say Fedor's TDD was above average. He was a 3x World Sambo champion and he was a member of the Russian National Judo team. He took down lots of fighters and prevented a lot of takedowns as well. Obviously his striking and subs were better than his takedowns though.
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You have good arguments that made me thinking. I still feel however that Fedor have summited a lot of guys that didn't have much of a BJJ game. He wouldn't be able to pull those arm bars as easily against current fighters. IMO Jones BJJ is the best of the three because he is able to catch the neck of modern-age fighters. Then the question becomes; what do one value more to be considered "complete" : KO power or Elite Wrestling.
 
They all set the standard for a complete fighter in their time but I picked Jones simply because he was the only one who seemed to master cheating out of the three.
 
krelianx said:
After his loss to Serra his fights with Penn, Fitch, Condit, Hendricks, and Bisping were all very good. I think his boring quality is overstated.
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Yeah I don't think he ever had any REALLY boring fights, he almost always engaged with opponents, its moreso he was often happy to win decisions and generally play it a bit safe, especially post Serra loss.

I do feel that he always had a bit of a weakness to really aggressive striking though, he was good picking away from range with the threat of a takedown but if people got inside on him and unloaded I don't think his inside boxing was ever that amazing and unlike Jones he didnt have as good a chin to cover it.
 
I think Fedor was very complete, especially for his time. He was also just more risk taking, which sometimes may have you look less skilled especially defense-wise, but I think it's more a style/strategic choice than really a knock on the well roundedness of his game. His subs were much slicker than GSP's and his ground and pound was better too, better power than both too. He also didn't rely on any real size advantages.
 
Voted for GSP

Every single fighter now is litteraly built on GSP's template, but he's not yet surpassed, to this day

The only thing GSP lacked was k.o. power, but he came to the table with the best fight I.Q. we've ever seen, the best MMA wrestling ever, an impeccable ground game, a solid stand-up and a ridiculous cardio

Fedor is the most complete heavyweight ever by a huge margin, and we don't talk about Jon Jones because he's a cheating bitch
 
HereticBD said:
The guy who has never lost a fight.
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Losing near the end of your career doesn't mean shit. I swear it only happens in fighting where people come up with that retarded argument. I've never heard somebody call Federer or Tiger Woods a can because they have some losses later on in their careers.
 
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