Favorite War Room Posters

[Greoric]

Sounds like Communism. You aren't going to suppress hierarchies without force.

Yes. Jack's just avoiding the argument by using strawmen and red herrings.

And what would "voluntary associations" mean other than to imply discrimination (i.e. those you don't wish to voluntarily associate with)?

That's precisely what it implies.

 

[Contra-dictator]

@Jack V Savage likes to do this thing in threads like this where he gets absolutely demolished for being retarded/a pathological liar for the first 200 replies or something, then comes in later when nobody cares anymore and starts talking immense amounts of shit. Very weird guy. Noticed him do this like 4 or 5 times by now.



It's not the smugness, he legit makes things up as he goes. It's incredibly bizarre. If you think Trump will lie about the most trivial thing imaginable, Jack has somehow managed to be worse than that if you could believe it. He likes to do this thing where he denies an objective fact and instead attributes it to someone/something he hates. Saw him do it in the Heavies for years, now he does it here. For example he denied that Hillary is irresponsible/corrupt and accused Trump of all of her qualities before he even did anything.

That's just one thing though. From lying about what certain links say, to lying about what he himself said, to saying shit like "CNN is biased towards Trump." He's not just smug, he's absolutely fucking insane.

I have considered Jack's post to be kayfabe for as long as I can remember.

 

[lecter]

I completely understand why people don't like @Jack V Savage. The guy can be, or at least unintentionally come off as, very smug when disagreeing with people.

"unintentionally come off as smug"

I guess that's one way of putting it.
He believes there should be 'barriers' on Sherdog so that he only has to talk to a small group of people who have earned that privilege after some time and unironically thinks he has 40 IQ points on Ivy League graduates.
Personally, I'd call it a delusion of grandeur and wouldn't exclude the possibility that he's suffering from some sort of psychiatric disorder, and I'm honestly not saying this to be funny or to take a pot shot at him.
I'm also not saying he's dumb or uneducated but I often feel like the most common form of delusion isn't something like the Dunning-Kruger effect where imbeciles lack self-awareness because they're too stupid to recognize their own cognitive impairment so to speak, but somebody like Jack, a smart guy who's educated but wrongfully thinks he's the second coming of Kurt Goedel or Albert Einstein.
It's certainly the more annoying one.

 

[Greoric]

I have considered Jack's post to be kayfabe for as long as I can remember.

kay what?

 

[KONE]

"unintentionally come off as smug"

I guess that's one way of putting it.
He believes there should be 'barriers' on Sherdog so that he only has to talk to a small group of people who have earned that privilege after some time and unironically thinks he has 40 IQ points on Ivy League graduates.
Personally, I'd call it a delusion of grandeur and wouldn't exclude the possibility that he's suffering from some sort of psychiatric disorder, and I'm honestly not saying this to be funny or to take a pot shot at him.
I'm also not saying he's dumb or uneducated but I often feel like the most common form of delusion isn't something like the Dunning-Kruger effect where imbeciles lack self-awareness because they're too stupid to recognize their own cognitive impairment, so to speak, but somebody like Jack, a smart guy who's educated but wrongfully thinks he's the second coming of Kurt Goedel or Albert Einstein.
It's certainly the more annoying one.

It's also important to note that a lot of the left leaning people here are "smug." For example, I would classify @CargoKing as smug and vitriolic but he's just so stupid and generic that no one actually cares to name him here

Jack is a special kind of insane. I'm legitimately in awe of how shamelessly he lies about everything. It's intriguing to me and to everyone else, I assume.

 

[dontsnitch]

kay what?

The wiki entry for this is a wild ride.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

That's precisely what it implies.

Then quickly out the window goes harmonious utopia and in comes hierarchies and behavior coercion.

 

[Greoric]

Then quickly out the window goes harmonious utopia and in comes hierarchies and behavior coercion.

Correct, but coercion isn't commensurate with hierarchies. By the way, if you misread, I'm not advocating for the absence of hierarchies. That's just what the original anarchists (the communists) incorrectly predicted a society would look like without the state. You correctly pointed out their elimination simply isn't possible for us as a species.

However, compulsory funding through a centralized institution and coercion is NOT a necessary requisite for organized society in much the same way as slavery is not a necessary requisite to grow food.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Then quickly out the window goes harmonious utopia and in comes hierarchies and behavior coercion.

Correct, but coercion isn't commensurate with hierarchies. By the way, if you misread, I'm not advocating for the absence of hierarchies. That's just what the original anarchists (the communists) incorrectly predicted a society would look like without the state. You correctly pointed out their elimination simply isn't possible for us as a species.

However, compulsory funding through a centralized institution and coercion is NOT a necessary requisite for organized society in much the same way as slavery is not a necessary requisite to grow food.

Just my 2 cents here, but I think you guys are debating the merits of coercion through resource scarcity vs coercion through the state.

Both have their upsides and downsides.

 

[Greoric]

Just my 2 cents here, but I think you guys are debating the merits of coercion through resource scarcity vs coercion through the state.

Both have their upsides and downsides.

Well I was specifying coercion by human actors. Coercion of resource scarcity is just coercion produced by entropy (i.e. you have to work to survive). Nothing is forcing you to work other than the perpetual energy requirements for you to maintain homeostasis.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Correct, but coercion isn't commensurate with hierarchies. By the way, if you misread, I'm not advocating for the absence of hierarchies. That's just what the original anarchists (the communists) incorrectly predicted a society would look like without the state. You correctly pointed out their elimination simply isn't possible for us as a species.

However, compulsory funding through a centralized institution and coercion is NOT a necessary requisite for organized society in much the same way as slavery is not a necessary requisite to grow food.

Ok, gotcha.

Compulsory funding is not necessary for organized society, but it is necessary for a just society. You can have a highly organized slave colony funded by elites. At some point you need unionization of the masses or the interests of the vast majority of people will go unrepresented. That's the basic struggle we see in government now. Rich people corrupting representation and everyone else fighting for a piece of the pie.

Just my 2 cents here, but I think you guys are debating the merits of coercion through resource scarcity vs coercion through the state.

Are those mutually exclusive?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Well I was specifying coercion by human actors. Coercion of resource scarcity is just coercion produced by entropy (i.e. you have to work to survive). Nothing is forcing you to work other than the perpetual energy requirements for you to maintain homeostasis.

When a post resource scarcity economy was nothing but sci-fi, I would have agreed with you more.

Today, to treat it as entropy is innacurate I believe.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Ok, gotcha.

Compulsory funding is not necessary for organized society, but it is necessary for a just society. You can have a highly organized slave colony funded by elites. At some point you need unionization of the masses or the interests of the vast majority of people will go unrepresented. That's the basic struggle we see in government now. Rich people corrupting representation and everyone else fighting for a piece of the pie.




Are those mutually exclusive?

No, but I would say they are juxtaposed.

 

[Greoric]

When a post resource scarcity economy was nothing but sci-fi, I would have agreed with you more.

Today, to treat it as entropy is innacurate I believe.

It's probably going to be still sci fi in our life times my man. As a side note, I will concede AI is gaining some scary ground. Did you read about the AI facebook had to shut down because it was creating its own language?

 

[VivaRevolution]

It's probably going to be still sci fi in our life times my man. As a side note, I will concede AI is gaining some scary ground. Did you read about the AI facebook had to shut down because it was creating its own language?

No I didn't hear about that. That is crazy. Will have to search that out.

I think we will be to retirement age, when we are making the full transition. No way to know of course.

 

[Greoric]

No I didn't hear about that. That is crazy. Will have to search that out.

I think we will be to retirement age, when we are making the full transition. No way to know of course.

This isn't the same article I saw, but same story.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

This isn't the same article I saw, but same story.

The burning question is are these AI's going to have enough sense to organize as anarchists.

 

[CargoKing]

It's also important to note that a lot of the left leaning people here are "smug." For example, I would classify @CargoKingas smug and vitriolic but he's just so stupid and generic that no one actually cares to name him here

Oh I know someone who cares to name me. LOL! He's the same dipshit who cares so hard he's all over my profile page. Getting konely again little lady?

 

[Greoric]

The burning question is are these AI's going to have enough sense to organize as anarchists.

LOL. Despite how much I harp on the anarchism, this kind of event transcends all the bullshit we talk about on here, because we probably only have one chance to get the "ethical code" right.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

LOL. Despite how much I harp on the anarchism, this kind of event transcends all the bullshit we talk about on here, because we probably only have one chance to get the "ethical code" right.

Fail-safe would be EMP's and...?

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