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[Ruprecht]

If the left wasn't trying to grab guns, the right wouldn't talk about it. There'd be no issue. It'd simply be one more right Americans have as guaranteed by the Constitution that no one talks about. It's only an issue because the left is trying to take them. Seems pretty obvious. It's the same reason abortion is an issue: it's legal, yet some on the right want to change that. If those on the right didn't raise a stink about it, the left wouldn't care. It'd be a non-issue.

There's definitely a gun control movement, but if you look at the situation with ownership, firearms and legislation, it's pretty clearly lopsided in the US.
The NRA knows what it's doing. It's just funny that their grass roots campaign always tries to paint themselves as the underdog in some sort of David versus Goliath conflict, when they're clearly one of the strongest single issue interest groups in the country.
Maybe even the strongest. How do they stack up against AIPAC?

 

[Cmart]

There's definitely a gun control movement, but if you look at the situation with ownership, firearms and legislation, it's pretty clearly lopsided in the US.
The NRA knows what it's doing. It's just funny that their grass roots campaign always tries to paint themselves as the underdog in some sort of David versus Goliath conflict, when they're clearly one of the strongest single issue interest groups in the country.
Maybe even the strongest. How do they stack up against AIPAC?

NRA and Teamsters both have about the same annual lobbying budget. About $3M. AARP, for example, spends upwards of $250 million a year.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

It is a nice AV. I didn't actually like that movie very much, but I enjoyed that scene.

You're dead to me

 

[Deleted member 159002]

It is a nice AV. I didn't actually like that movie very much, but I enjoyed that scene.

I honestly don't know what movie it's from. Inception?

 

[Ruprecht]

NRA and Teamsters both have about the same annual lobbying budget. About $3M.

Direct contributions and lobbying aren't how the NRA mainly operates though. It runs on membership numbers, publications and advertising.
Unions are also usually grass roots campaigns by definition, how do the Teamsters stack up against the NRA on membership?
AIPAC on the other hand is more about lobbying and contributions, so it's hard to compare directly (although unlike the NRA, they just spent a boatload on the Iran agreement and still lost).
Talking single issue here, otherwise I'd guess the Defence Industry, Oil, Pharma, Mining, Wall Street or one of the other industry giants would take it.

 

[in the]

I honestly don't know what movie it's from. Inception?

The Crying Game. You should watch it, really good twist.

 

[Ruprecht]

I honestly don't know what movie it's from. Inception?

Pretty sure it's Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner.

 

[Cmart]

Direct contributions and lobbying aren't how the NRA mainly operates though. It runs on membership numbers, publications and advertising.
Unions are also usually grass roots campaigns by definition, how do the Teamsters stack up against the NRA on membership?
AIPAC on the other hand is more about lobbying and contributions, so it's hard to compare directly (although unlike the NRA, they just spent a boatload on the Iran agreement and still lost).
Talking single issue here, otherwise I'd guess the Defence Industry, Oil, Pharma, Mining, Wall Street, AARP or one of the other industry giants would take it.

NRA claims 4.5 million. Union membership as a whole is about triple that. AARP is ten times as big.

 

[Cmart]

Pretty sure it's Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner.

Yes it is, from one of the most beautiful improvised scenes in cinema.

 

[Ruprecht]

NRA claims 4.5 million. Union membership as a whole is about triple that. AARP is ten times as big.

I don't know much about AARP. Membership based for sure, but I'd have thought they'd be more like the industry lobbies than single issue like AIPAC or the NRA.
Individual unions would count, but you can't really combine the unions as single issue.

 

[Cmart]

I don't know much about AARP, I'd have thought they'd be more like the industry lobbies than single issue like AIPAC or the NRA though.
Individual unions would count, but you can't really combine the unions as single issue.

Yeah it's not really apples to apples, but you get an idea of relative strengths. The NRA isn't the juggernaut many make it out to be.

 

[Thunderflash500]

I honestly don't know what movie it's from. Inception?

 

[ucunc156]

To be fair, I really tried to get the PBP discussion going for both major parties' debates before the forum migration, but it was pretty much a ghost town on the DNC side, with like five Sherdoggers from the Hillary and Sanders camps talking shit, on each other!

To be honest, I'm not even sure if the registered Democrats in the WR actually were interested enough in their own party's debate to actually taken the effort to stream it live, so I decided not to invest so much time into calling those PBP anymore.

Then when it comes to each and every GOP debates, the entire WR would showed up and joins in the fun, with much excitement even before anyone went on stage (and not just because sleepy Carson missed the audio cue and held everyone up in line!), and the people who showed up for the GOP debate PBP actually talks about what's going on on that stage, rather than bashing other Sherdoggers in the thread. That's enough for me to keep the effort going.

Understood lol. I dvrd most of the debates and that's why I'm always in the threads like 2 days late lol. But yeah the republican debates were definitely more event and entertaining.

I'm Canadian but live in the full retard state and my son was born here, so we are waiting for trump to take his passport

Full retard state is Florida?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

No, that's the NRA spending. They just don't spend as much on lobbyists and direct contributions, compared to advertising etc. The WaPo article I linked to breaks down the 2012 spending.

Sorry, I thought that was lobbying dollars. Either way, ok. As has been pointed out, that's not much in the scheme of lobbying, donating, advertising. That's all of about $6 or $7 per member. I also gave you a link showing anti-gun groups just spent more on campaign donations than the pro-gun side recently. How does that factor into your assessment?

But I'll concede the point if we can move on to how that's the definitive measuring stick of this being some sort of manufactured controversy. At least that's how I took it but now with Jack's posting it seems like he's just pointing out the obvious (people who feel stripped of their rights are more passionate on the subject than those handing them over).

I don't pay attention to gun issues, but I pay attention to political discussions. I read the WR, for example. Do you see anyone with as much passion on the anti-gun side as, for example, you have on the pro-gun side? And you're not the only one. Is there anyone who would even claim that their vote would be influenced by a politician not being anti-gun enough? I remember some nuts in the WR sending letters about Garland because they heard some rumor that he wasn't pro-gun enough!



Well, except that it's not really happening that the left is passing laws that are highly divisive on the issue. More something coming from the imagination of the fringe right media.

It's hard to answer that question because passion isn't a word I'd associate with gun-grabbing. In terms of vehemency I'd say there's plenty of that from both sides in gun threads. Didn't The Qu end up getting banned because he couldn't control himself on the topic? Passion is certainly a word I'd associate with enjoying civil liberties so that's easy to see on the part of the pro-2nd side. If you take the time to read the threads you'd find that there's more reason and fact coming from "my side" of the debate. Maybe if lefties were more passionate about the subject they'd learn a little something about the rights they're happy to relinquish.

You didn't answer my post showing you that the Democratic candidates are spending time on the subject and Hilary is going out of her way to paint Bernie as soft on guns. Can you do that for me now please?


Here's some stuff from your own state that may or may not have gained traction.

http://coyotepointrpc.org/antigun-california

 

[Gandhi]

You what...?!

You say tomato, I say fuck you

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I don't know much about AARP. Membership based for sure, but I'd have thought they'd be more like the industry lobbies than single issue like AIPAC or the NRA.
Individual unions would count, but you can't really combine the unions as single issue.

If guns is a single issue then so is old age.

 

[Gandhi]

He's more likely to become President than have his passport revoked.

Cruz has a chance????? Lol well at least my kid is way cuter and eats less boogers.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You didn't answer my post showing you that the Democratic candidates are spending time on the subject and Hilary is going out of her way to paint Bernie as soft on guns. Can you do that for me now please?

Asserting isn't the same as showing, is it? If you're saying that they have spent time on it, as in that it has been mentioned at least once, sure. If you're saying that it's something that comes up a lot, no.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Direct contributions and lobbying aren't how the NRA mainly operates though. It runs on membership numbers, publications and advertising.
Unions are also usually grass roots campaigns by definition, how do the Teamsters stack up against the NRA on membership?
AIPAC on the other hand is more about lobbying and contributions, so it's hard to compare directly (although unlike the NRA, they just spent a boatload on the Iran agreement and still lost).
Talking single issue here, otherwise I'd guess the Defence Industry, Oil, Pharma, Mining, Wall Street or one of the other industry giants would take it.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Cruz has a chance????? Lol well at least my kid is way cuter and eats less boogers.

More than The Donald, since apparently "the Establishment" is pulling out all the stops to hand Lyin' Ted the nomination.