fat burning pills

[wenispinkle]

i tried hot-rox, using it to supplement my training and keep my metabolism going throughout the day during the time i was experimenting with the warrior diet. didnt seem to do much

 

[Sinister]

Also, Kabuki, I didn't realize the ban hadn't totally been lifted at this point. GNC still isn't selling products containing ephedrine?

I had it explained to me this way- this from a woman I talked to at a company selling straight Ephedrine Hydrochloride (this conversation took place about a year ago): the ban on ephedrine was related more to its abuse as raw material for developing methamphetamines than it did for its link to 800 athletes' deaths. This is why when straight ephedrine was illegal- I guess it still is, technically- you could still buy straight ephedrine hydrochloride in most states (New York, for example), but not California, where the meth epidemic is worst and our laws are the most strict. My understanding is that the hydrochloride doesn't change the effects of ephedrine, it only adds a chemical bond difficult to break with traditional meth-processing, so is less desirable to most meth-manufacturers with their crude home-labs.

However, I could buy ephedrine hydrochloride when combined with the expectorant guanifisen (which is better for me, anyway, since I'm an asthmatic) even here in California. So that's what I use, Vasopro; it's legal here (at least that's what I've been told).

In case you suspect this woman may have been whitewashing the drug's more dangerous properties, apparently many recent studies reinforce her position; these studies have indicated that ephedrine- when taken in the proper dosages- isn't dangerous to normal athletes. These studies indicate that the deaths involving ephedrine were most likely the result of pre-existing heart blockages in the athlete. Ephedrine is potent pharmacologically, and will speed your heart rate. So these athletes, whose vascular systems were already under strain, and usually failed to take aspirin (which mitigates the blood's tendency to adhere to vessel walls), died because their hearts couldn't handle all these pressures when compounded with intense physical exercise.

I've been told it's still a good idea not to take ephedrine before any activity where you expect to reach your maximum heart rate range; it just eliminates the remaining risk.
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There's nothing wrong with the supplement Per Se. But I can tell you from selling it on the front lines that what the FDA is really trying to regulate is Public stupidity. Which bye the way, any harshness I show in here is because moderating these forums is like working my job at GNC. lol Seriously, I end up giving the SAME advice and hearing the SAME questions...even the stupid ones. Save for on here I can say what I can't when I'm at work. So prepare for a bit of smart-ass-edness from me.

Anywho, to what I was referring is just that. See because Ephedrine, Ephedra, whatever, was sold to the general public by sales people and not specialists, we had a huge problem with people lying to us. "Do you have any pre-existing heart-conditions?" ".......................um............no." "Are you sure? Because if you do, or any pre-existing liver conditions this little bottle could very-well be the Death of you." "..................um.......yeah I'm sure." And sadly, there's nothing we can do about it short of refusing the sale and thus running ourselves right out of business because Americans can't handle any sort of "control" like a salesperson refusing to sell an idiot a product that will DEFINITELY kill them. And then guess what, whenever a client came back to return one of these Products because it put them in the Hospital, guess whose fault that was. You guessed it...MINE.

So in a sense I actually agree with the ban. Though I also feel people who work at GNC ought to be required to have a lot more schooling then is currently required. Think about it. We compete with Doctors oddly enough. When someone comes in saying their Doctor recommended Lipitor, but they want something more Natural to start with before resorting to that...I have to know what to say. But sadly, there is no certification to work there, and studying to become a Licensed Dietician is something I do in my own time with my own money.

But as of right now the "lifted" ban is still only in effect in Utah, for Products under 10mg. Across the board the FDA still has the authority to do something about it should the ban be disregarded. Though right now is a tough time for them to enforce it with all the litigation going on, so you're having people capitalize on that.

 

[Ian Coe]

I've been told it's still a good idea not to take ephedrine before any activity where you expect to reach your maximum heart rate range; it just eliminates the remaining risk.

I've been told that you need to do something after taking effy because of the dilated blood vessels (if I take some too early I get a slight chest ache until I've got a sweat on and got my heart rate up).
Whats your take on that?

 

[trooper77]

I.M.O. they are useless. Most people who attribute their success to Fat Burners have miraculously cleaned up their diet and upped their cardio in conjuction with taking the Fat Burners. Personally, I have tried using them while not changing anything about my exercise routine/diet and have'nt noticed any change. They are basically a combination of caffein along with an appetite suppressant. Furthermore, as with coffee, the initial energy boost you obtain with taking Fat Burners, loses its potency after your body becomes acclimated to them. But...as with Creatine...results may vary from person to person.

 

[EastLosGangster]

just ignore the pills that say "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease". that's practically all of them

i take zantrex3. it works cuz it makes u less hungry and gives you caffeine for energy!

 

[johnnynoname]

before you use any supplement make sure your diet is on point with your goals and your weight/cardio works are in sync with the goals your working towards.

if your not working hard enough and not eating right aint no fat burner gonna help you

 

[Madmick]

I've been told that you need to do something after taking effy because of the dilated blood vessels (if I take some too early I get a slight chest ache until I've got a sweat on and got my heart rate up).
Whats your take on that?

That's why you take it with aspirin.

ECA= 25mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride + 200mg Caffeine + 100-125mg Aspirin.

Aspirin diminishes the blood cells' tendency to adhere to the vessel walls, thus lessening the strain on the vascular system.

 

[Madmick]

1Fast400's Ephedrine Products

Vasopro has a new competitor: Biotek.

The Ephedrine-Syneburn-Caffeine stack is a pretty sick deal. I might buy some of that myself. My Vasopro's almost out.

 

[Madmick]

I.M.O. they are useless. Most people who attribute their success to Fat Burners have miraculously cleaned up their diet and upped their cardio in conjuction with taking the Fat Burners. Personally, I have tried using them while not changing anything about my exercise routine/diet and have'nt noticed any change. They are basically a combination of caffein along with an appetite suppressant. Furthermore, as with coffee, the initial energy boost you obtain with taking Fat Burners, loses its potency after your body becomes acclimated to them. But...as with Creatine...results may vary from person to person.

They're overpriced, not useless. Caffeine is very useful. I'm not a big fan of appetite suppressants (I prefer discipline).