I was with you until the last paragraph bruh.
ray was a great combo of speed and power but i'd still give roy the nod, in both areas, even though I don't think he is as great and one thing for certain, he did not look as good aesthetically as Ray, Ray was beautiful.
Ray Robinson was very very fast. There isn't a ton of footage available to really compare him.
In my opinion the fastest as well as most physically gifted (not best) boxer ever is Roy Jones jr. The guy literally did not use a jab or need one because of his overwhelming speed advantage.
ya, I remember I was always bragging about my speed, I took a buddy to a smoker where a little kid, maybe 80 pounds was boxing, my buddy insulted me with saying He's faster than you.
both are fast but I keep bringing up punch distance, when a guy throws a punch that travels 8 inches, that is going to make it faster than the same guy throwing a punch a distance of a foot and a half. It's a consideration to take in. Roy threw long looping punches a lot of the time , pacquiao, Tyson, both generally threw very short punches when we go 'wow, that shit was fast", it's a combination of speed, coordination, and throwing short punches, you watch many or Tyson on the bag, both do that rhythmic drumroll type thing on it but they also do not extend those punches or even bring them all the way back to full guard. Manny in particular, throws his punches like a wing chun gung fu type of guy, really short, which was great, i'm not knocking him, he was still freakishly fast and had the most stamina doing that of any human being I ever saw, I still can't say he's faster than Camacho who threw his punches with classic form and was still a blur.
No surprise the guy is shorter than my kid. But yeah, some of those small boxers are obviously the fastest on the planet. But in terms of more mainstream boxing, I'd say Roy Jones and it's not even close.
I remember a story I heard that for the Carbajal/Chiquita fight, think it was the first one, Arum paid them a mil apiece, making them the first guys that small too get a 7 figure payday, just to try to get more public attention to the fight b/c nobody gave a shit. It is sad, tho, a lot of great fighters in the small classes that get overlooked.
IDK man. The skills were clearly there, but there isn't much of a resume. He has the Montiel win, which is impressive and got arguably robbed by Rafa Marquez, but that's basically it. He essentially made a reputation by being really good and saying he was avoided (no doubt there was some of that, but he also seemed content fighting in the US, where the FlW competition was pretty minimal, the real challenges would have been in Latin America/Asia/Africa). I hate to pull the "American preferentialism" card but I really do think it applies to him here.
