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Athlean X has gone to shit since Jessie came on board. It was much better three plus years ago. I unsubscribed when Jeff and Jessie couldn't help but doing their stupid skits and getting away from "training like an athlete" and doing the bodybuilder bullshit.
Plenty of people who are natural and bigger and more shredded than Athlean X. My older brother was more ripped and way, way, way stronger in his 40's and he didn't even go to GNC, let alone use steroids. It happens. Not saying its normal, I've had no shortage of people assume my brother was on steroids, but it definitely happens.He was always bad prior to Jesse. I think he has some decent stuff here and there, he's not a complete joke...but at the same time he is.
Just go watch his bosa-ball stability-balance-movement shit, go watch his squat tutorial i.e. he says to expel air and brace which is retarded and the exact opposite of what you are supposed to do.
He worked as a PT for the Mets. Yeah the Mets were riddled with injuries at the time with guys like David Wright for example, probably not his fault but he obviously didn't help either. His credentials mean next to nothing. He's no better than any youtube shirtless cuck, that's exactly what he is. He uses a marker on muscle groups, any tard with a crayon can do that with google as long as they don't eat it first. He probably gives worse advice than his clickbait-shirtless peers like Scott Herman or Omar Isuf, JujiMufu at least was entertaining, emphasis on was.
I'm roasting him here obviously, like I said he gives some good tips. If you had the option of zero knowledge or listening to Athlean-X you should do the latter (outside of not using valsalva). But we live in a world where you can simply google technique or watch a video from hundreds of sources that are better.
It's not rocket science to deadlift-squat-bench at a decent and safe level technique wise. Athlean-X doesn't even do these things correctly or focus on them at all either. You aren't going to get ripped and jacked by doing 47 variations of bicep curls. That is what he does focus on. He's also very fucking clearly on TRT at the minimum, likely on other shit probably on steroids of some kind and he just doesn't lift heavy and he's small.
Dude turns 45 years old tomorrow actually. He's like 5'6 and 45 years old. There's no chance he's walking around with that much muscle mass, 3D-delts, high androgen levels, shredded year round - at that age. It's no surprise he had to use fake weights for a 5 plate deadlift and a 3 plate pin press, because he simply can't do that. That's not a huge indictment either because again, he's 5'6 and 37-45 years old during these lifts and he doesn't train the big 3 regularly.
TLDR: That was my long-winded 2 cents on Athlean-X, to be short - he sucks. He's a shirtless pumped up, PED filled youtube salesman. He's all production value, bells and whistles, smoke and mirrors. He can give you some decent tips (maybe) on diet and bodybuilding pump work, outside that he's terrible.
He was always bad prior to Jesse. I think he has some decent stuff here and there, he's not a complete joke...but at the same time he is.
Just go watch his bosa-ball stability-balance-movement shit, go watch his squat tutorial i.e. he says to expel air and brace which is retarded and the exact opposite of what you are supposed to do.
He worked as a PT for the Mets. Yeah the Mets were riddled with injuries at the time with guys like David Wright for example, probably not his fault but he obviously didn't help either. His credentials mean next to nothing. He's no better than any youtube shirtless cuck, that's exactly what he is. He uses a marker on muscle groups, any tard with a crayon can do that with google as long as they don't eat it first. He probably gives worse advice than his clickbait-shirtless peers like Scott Herman or Omar Isuf, JujiMufu at least was entertaining, emphasis on was.
I'm roasting him here obviously, like I said he gives some good tips. If you had the option of zero knowledge or listening to Athlean-X you should do the latter (outside of not using valsalva). But we live in a world where you can simply google technique or watch a video from hundreds of sources that are better.
It's not rocket science to deadlift-squat-bench at a decent and safe level technique wise. Athlean-X doesn't even do these things correctly or focus on them at all either. You aren't going to get ripped and jacked by doing 47 variations of bicep curls. That is what he does focus on. He's also very fucking clearly on TRT at the minimum, likely on other shit probably on steroids of some kind and he just doesn't lift heavy and he's small.
Dude turns 45 years old tomorrow actually. He's like 5'6 and 45 years old. There's no chance he's walking around with that much muscle mass, 3D-delts, high androgen levels, shredded year round - at that age. It's no surprise he had to use fake weights for a 5 plate deadlift and a 3 plate pin press, because he simply can't do that. That's not a huge indictment either because again, he's 5'6 and 37-45 years old during these lifts and he doesn't train the big 3 regularly.
TLDR: That was my long-winded 2 cents on Athlean-X, to be short - he sucks. He's a shirtless pumped up, PED filled youtube salesman. He's all production value, bells and whistles, smoke and mirrors. He can give you some decent tips (maybe) on diet and bodybuilding pump work, outside that he's terrible.
Plenty of people who are natural and bigger and more shredded than Athlean X. My older brother was more ripped and way, way, way stronger in his 40's and he didn't even go to GNC, let alone use steroids. It happens. Not saying its normal, I've had no shortage of people assume my brother was on steroids, but it definitely happens.
I always just took bits and pieces from him, as anyone should with anyone they watch. Working around injuries or lack of equipment with different techniques or some creativity was what I was primarily there for and is probably his biggest strength. You are right, you don't need a million ways to train something, but it's always good to have someone available that jogs your memory of an old technique you may have forgotten about or remind you of X or Y. Jeff has even used a couple of my suggestions to make videos before so it works both ways.. I'm older than Jeff with a lot of injuries and the "safe" bench/squat/deadlift is not possible for me, nor will it likely be for most in the long run. That is the reality of life. There are other ways to train.
You are right about David Wright though. That is a shame how his career ended early due to injury when there was probably a way to fix his neck without fusion surgery. There's also the wrestler Sting who was used in some Athlean X videos trying to come back from retirement that didn't last long, which probably was not Cavelier's fault, as Sting was much older and his opponent was careless in the execution of the "buckle bomb," throwing the back of his head /neck on the turnbuckle. But it was still a bad look for Athlean X initially as Sting did no move well at all in the ring upon his initial return.
Trust me I'm not one of the guys who thinks being muscular and ripped is unachievable unless they are on steroids. In fact I saw a few Phillion videos recently he kinda seems like a pussy about it or is projecting on his on genetic limits...or something.
I think striving for a goal is a good thing, even if it's not attainable.
With that said, Athlean-X is definitely on steroids or TRT. And sure there's always some big muscular dudes, ripped dudes with awesome genetics, that exists obviously. But at 45 years old? year round shredded? With that muscle fullness and hardness? Yeah I don't think so.
Even guys like Randy Couture and Herschel Walker - both of which obviously were taking PEDs - looked and performed amazing for 40-45 years old+, but even they didn't have the muscle hardness/fullness look of what Athlean-X has. So to me, obviously I don't have definitive evidence but I'd bet like half my life savings on Athlean-X being on TRT/steroids, maybe all of it.
There's a certain look guys who are 40+ to 45 to 50+ have, you know what I mean? Like an old guy can be jacked or even ripped, but they still have some flabby element involved, some saggy muscle/skin/fat. I'm not an expert on this shit and I don't follow bodybuilding at all, but that guy Scooby or Greg Doucette for example, like Vitor Belfort not abusing TRT. Idk. I just don't see too many jacked and shredded 40+ year olds out there. 45? Natural? Doubt it.
My brother carries some flab at the bottom of his stomach when he's ripped, but that's just loose skin from times when he has let himself gain excess weight. Now, he's definitely not normal. He's always stood out so I'm not exactly saying you can build a hard and fast rule around him because he is an outlier. But he's nearly 50 now and when he was in his 40's, like I said, he was definitely at least as ripped as Jeff at times and far, far stronger and definitely bigger. He might be more ripped now, honestly, at 49.
I'm 39 and I'm not on the same level as my brother and never have been but I definitely don't plan on going downhill in my 40's or lowering my standards. Things I had in my late 20's and earlier 30's like ab veins haven't come back as of yet and I am definitely not at the same level of shredded that I have been at other points but I think that is diet and elements that I have control over. I am definitely not going to just condemn myself to lower standards and mediocrity because of my age. And I'm definitely not going to touch any TRT or steroids.
But hey, I'm not Athlean X and I don't know what he is or isn't on. I just know that personally, I plan on getting more ripped than I've ever been when I turn 40 next year, not going downhill. Its not easy but its possible and I don't think people should just fatalistically presume that at over 40 you can't get or stay ripped without enhancements.
Well, that's a whole massive can of worms but part of it is that my older brother never did and of course, naturally, even if I never caught up to him strength-wise, I don't want to do something he never resorted to, especially if I did and still didn't hit his numbers. Another thing without getting into the principle of the thing, is that there are enough people I know who presume you can't do anything without manipulating your testosterone levels in some way and who presume that I have been on steroids from high school onward, that I would hate to ever validate their assumptions, even if I'd be the only one that knew one way or another.Good luck with it. Not sure why you are so opposed to TRT though, it's just test. Any reason? I don't see any moral reasoning to not use it once you reach ages where it drops off dramatically aka late 30s-40s, obviously 50s.
Good luck with it. Not sure why you are so opposed to TRT though, it's just test. Any reason? I don't see any moral reasoning to not use it once you reach ages where it drops off dramatically aka late 30s-40s, obviously 50s.
IMO it's a fallacy peddled by the pharmaceutical industry that test drops off dramatically for everyone after 40. I think the bigger culprit is lifestyle - for a lot of guys, after 40 you're dealing with wife, kids, job stress etc. and that makes it harder to train. Less training + sedentary lifestyle + poor diet = less test and dad bod physique.
But having just turned 46, and having trained religiously since age 15 without PEDs (except half a cycle of oral D-bol 20+ years ago that I didn't respond well to and convinced me to stay natural) I can honestly say there has been no dramatic energy level drop off. The main thing was my body needed more recovery time starting around 36 so I couldn't go balls to the wall 6 days/week like I used to, without rest days in between. At 40 I switched from bro lifts to the 5x5 stronglifts routine and I credit the regular squats and deads for more overall size, strength and likely raising my natural test. I still go tit for tat with 25 yo's in BJJ 3x week + lifting twice/week.
Re. physique, I look about the same now as I did at 25. 5' 9" 170 lbs with some definition in my abs. I follow a generally healthy diet but not super strict and occasionally eat junk food. One thing I will say about that: as an older guy, I think it's relatively doable to LOOK good in your 40's like much younger guys if you follow a consistently healthy lifestyle. Looking good is about getting enough rest, eating healthy, lifting heavy enough and doing enough cardio to burn fat and stay lean. BUT looking good is the easy part. PERFORMING like a younger guy is not possible IME unless you're on PEDs. In your 40's you can still be as strong or stronger than in your 20's natty but you'll be way less explosive, and will need more recovery time between hard workouts. I'm OK with that because I don't want to go on TRT and become dependent on it for the rest of my life and fuck up my endocrine system in the process. My attitude on that is probably similar to what @Kforcer is saying above.
Are you over 35?
Are you fatter than you were in your 20s?
Have you lost muscle mass?
Can't get it up on command like you used to?
You need TRT! Come in for a free consultation, and we'll see if we can't get you hooked for life!
That's what these ads sound like, and now every sleep deprived guy with a shitty diet and too much stress thinks they're basically done now and they'll never accomplish anything physical again without a weekly test injection. My dad managed to build muscle in his 50s....after three heart attacks and without the help of exogenous testosterone. I myself am 39, I can still build muscle and lift heavy, I just need to pay more attention to recovery and acknowledge the fact there are going to be days where I just can't push as hard as I want to. I'm not opposed to TRT, but like you said, once you're on that train, you're never getting off. When I'm 60? Yea fuck it, why not, probably should be hitting up the doctor all the time at that point in my life anyway to nip anything in the bud before it gets too serious. But at this stage in my life? Fuck that, I'm not going to become dependent on an injection, I'd much rather focus on reducing stress and maximizing recovery.
Are you over 35?
Are you fatter than you were in your 20s?
Have you lost muscle mass?
Can't get it up on command like you used to?
You need TRT! Come in for a free consultation, and we'll see if we can't get you hooked for life!
That's what these ads sound like, and now every sleep deprived guy with a shitty diet and too much stress thinks they're basically done now and they'll never accomplish anything physical again without a weekly test injection. My dad managed to build muscle in his 50s....after three heart attacks and without the help of exogenous testosterone. I myself am 39, I can still build muscle and lift heavy, I just need to pay more attention to recovery and acknowledge the fact there are going to be days where I just can't push as hard as I want to. I'm not opposed to TRT, but like you said, once you're on that train, you're never getting off. When I'm 60? Yea fuck it, why not, probably should be hitting up the doctor all the time at that point in my life anyway to nip anything in the bud before it gets too serious. But at this stage in my life? Fuck that, I'm not going to become dependent on an injection, I'd much rather focus on reducing stress and maximizing recovery.
Pick up heavy shit and carry heavy shit. A prescription for jackedness and longevity.The hilarious thing is that if test really dropped that much after age 40 independent of lifestyle, the human race would have gone extinct a long time ago. Can you imagine if earlier in history, all guys when they hit 40 just said, "Fuck it. I can't maintain muscle mass anymore and I'm moody all the time. I can't plow this field/swing this hammer/kill these woolly mammoths anymore. I think I'll just sit on this couch/tree stump/rock from now on and feel sorry for myself."
Of course genetics are a factor, but I know it's possible to remain cock strong into old age with consistent lifestyle. My grandfather on my dad's side worked on the farm his whole life until age 81 and at his 80th birthday party, my 45 yo dad (who grew up on the farm and was pretty strong himself from working in construction at the time) challenged him to arm wrestling. My granddad won and then flexed his biceps which were ripped and defined like apples on his arms. Not everyone in the family got those genetics but one of my uncles was smaller but ripped like this Athlean X guy well into his 50's (and probably beyond but I never saw him without a shirt on). And he was a dentist LMAO (although he grew up on the farm and continued doing hands-on stuff around his house and occasionally at the family farm). I am 1000% sure that neither my granddad nor uncle was on TRT and they didn't even lift weights, just manual labor.
What in the wide world of Brad Casselberry is going on around here.
I used to lift at the same gym as him years ago, before people really knew him. At least back then, the weights were legit.
He would also do cringeworthy attention whore shit constantly, like jump over benches in the middle of the gym, or into the bed of his truck in the parking lot.
Not sure if fake but he's got some great videos and workouts