Fair DUI Flyer

[Philo-Publius]

Has anyone heard of this before? This attorney created these flyers for many different states and they basically allow you to pass through sobriety check points without getting tested. I used it in Virginia once and it worked like a charm. However, there are lawsuits in Florida and NYC because law enforcement refused to respect them.

http://fairdui.org/flyer/

Fair DUI flyer in action...


Explanation of what the Fair DUI flyer is...

 

[rocketskates]

Sounds like you happened upon a newer or less informed officer in Virginia.

In 1990 the Supreme Court ruled that sobriety checkpoints are not a violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. Remember that the law sees driving on a public roadway as a privilege not a right. Then once you are stopped, see Pennsylvania vs Mimms or Maryland vs Wilson.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

My skin isn't white, my car
isn't a mercedes, and Im
not in a high income area...



I'd get my ass beat.

 

[HARRISON_3]

In 1990 the Supreme Court ruled that sobriety checkpoints are not a violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. Remember that the law sees driving on a public roadway as a privilege not a right. Then once you are stopped, see Pennsylvania vs Mimms or Maryland vs Wilson.

I'm a Plessy Vs Ferguson man, myself.

 

[Serana]

My skin isn't white, my car
isn't a mercedes, and Im
not in a high income area...



I'd get my ass beat.

Not if you write them a nice poem.

 

[punky brewster]

My skin isn't white, my car
isn't a mercedes, and Im
not in a high income area...



I'd get my ass beat.

My skin isn't dark
I don't drive a donk
and I'm not from the hood

That's why I don't drive through 50% of the areas in my city. I'd get my ass beat.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Sounds like you happened upon a newer or less informed officer in Virginia.

In 1990 the Supreme Court ruled that sobriety checkpoints are not a violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. Remember that the law sees driving on a public roadway as a privilege not a right. Then once you are stopped, see Pennsylvania vs Mimms or Maryland vs Wilson.

It's working though. There are lots of you tube videos out there of successful usages of the flyer because a sobriety check point is supposed to be a "limited intrusion." There is no probable cause to search you or your vehicle because it is a random check.

 

[rocketskates]

It's working though. There are lots of you tube videos out there of successful usages of the flyer because a sobriety check point is supposed to be a "limited intrusion." There is no probable cause to search you or your vehicle because it is a random check.

Not to search because you need probable cause for that. You are correct. But having you exit your vehicle or demanding identification for a lawful detention is not a search.

Most of the ones that I've been through they don't even ID me. I stop, they see I have my seatbelt on and I go on my way.

 

[gspieler]

I'll just avoid all that shite by not driving drunk.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Not if you write them a nice poem.

"Your badge is golden,
your violence is blue.
though we're both americans,
I see you brought your crew..."

 

[FeloniousMonk]

My skin isn't dark
I don't drive a donk
and I'm not from the hood

That's why I don't drive through 50% of the areas in my city. I'd get my ass beat.

Doesn't work that way...
Cops & gentrification got your vaxk

 

[Philo-Publius]

Not to search because you need probable cause for that. You are correct. But having you exit your vehicle or demanding identification for a lawful detention is not a search.

Most of the ones that I've been through they don't even ID me. I stop, they see I have my seatbelt on and I go on my way.

You are randomly stopping someone in a sobriety check point. Judge Andrew thinks arresting someone for refusing testing at a sobriety check point is unconstitutional...

 

[Ninja]

I'll just avoid all that shite by not driving drunk.

Exactly.


I may break one of these out on the Border Patrol though who appear to be getting further and further away from the Border and more closer and closer to inner cities.

 

[rocketskates]

You are randomly stopping someone in a sobriety check point. Judge Andrew thinks arresting someone for refusing testing at a sobriety check point is unconstitutional...

There's always two sides to the coin. Sobriety checkpoints have been debated for years with everyone giving their opinion on it. We could debate it all day, but sobriety checkpoints were not found by the Supreme Court to be a violation of the fourth amendment. Judges, attorneys, professors and cops can give their opinion on it all day long.

If you were to get arrested for obstructing and judge Andrew were presiding over your case then I guess you walk. But if you had a more conservative judge then you may not. I guess you could decide if then and there is the place to take a stand over a 2 minute process.

Personally, I see it as an attorney trying to drum up business for himself with goofy flyers.

 

[TestosterOWN]

The only reason they want to see your papers is to talk to you for 10 seconds and see if they smell alcohol. If not you are usually on your way.


LOL at the losers who print these out and try to use them.

 

[Philo-Publius]

There's always two sides to the coin. Sobriety checkpoints have been debated for years with everyone giving their opinion on it. We could debate it all day, but sobriety checkpoints were not found by the Supreme Court to be a violation of the fourth amendment. Judges, attorneys, professors and cops can give their opinion on it all day long.

If you were to get arrested for obstructing and judge Andrew were presiding over your case then I guess you walk. But if you had a more conservative judge then you may not. I guess you could decide if then and there is the place to take a stand over a 2 minute process.

Personally, I see it as an attorney trying to drum up business for himself with goofy flyers.

You are right, we could argue all day and still have different opinions on the issue. However, I would be of the opinion that you cannot obstruct justice if the law says you need only show your identification, not speak to law enforcement, at a sobriety check point. Where is there a pursuit of justice if you have done nothing wrong?

 

[punky brewster]

Doesn't work that way...
Cops & gentrification got your vaxk

Unfortunately it does work that way when your neighborhood is going through the opposite of gentrification. But nobody really talks about that, in fact there's not even a word for it, at least not a tidy, left wing term used by academics. "White flight" I suppose... at least that's what the sociology teachers say.

It's funny how both words are used as pejoratives...

And I'm not questioning the validity of your verse nor your character, just offering up mine

 

[Philo-Publius]

The only reason they want to see your papers is to talk to you for 10 seconds and see if they smell alcohol. If not you are usually on your way.


LOL at the losers who print these out and try to use them.

If everyone uses them, they can't arrest everyone.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Unfortunately it does work that way when your neighborhood is going through the opposite of gentrification. But nobody really talks about that, in fact there's not even a word for it, at least not a tidy, left wing term used by academics. "White flight" I suppose... at least that's what the sociology teachers say.

It's funny how both words are used as pejoratives...

And I'm not questioning the validity of your verse nor your character, just offering up mine

If you go into those 50% percent
areas in your city you speak about,
you'll likely realize that you
have nothing to fear. Smile, be
friendly, be respectful.. (you know,
how white people always tell us
to treat cops)... & you'll come out
of it alive. Probably with a full belly
& a few laughs

 

[rocketskates]

You are right, we could argue all day and still have different opinions on the issue. However, I would be of the opinion that you cannot obstruct justice if the law says you need only show your identification, not speak to law enforcement, at a sobriety check point. Where is there a pursuit of justice if you have done nothing wrong?

Not saying you did anything wrong bud. I'm just saying that you likely happened upon an officer who was new or just didn't see it worth the effort to battle with you over something frivolous. Those things aren't likely to always work (the sheet)