F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules... Thanks Trump.

[volodya]

44nutman said: ↑
The other thing people are bitching about these companies being able to spy on you.
Well stop watching cuck porn and you have nothing to worry about.
If you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about, when your internet usage is being tracked.
"Oh No. 69% of Sherdog posters are worried about someone tracking the massive amounts of tranny porn they watch"
You know who else is always watching, Jesus.


Fuck this is the most millenial quote ever. I say that as what should be one. Anyone under 25 lives in an age where privacy doesnt matter. They want the attention. You're a retard if you dont understand basic online privacy concerns. If you only understood how easy it is to spy on your online traffic, ISP or not, it would disturb you. All it takes is your IP and a little bit of force.

 

[Oeshon]

for those upset about this.

why didn't any of this bad stuff happen before 2015?

 

[chrisdiaz]

What are you confused about? or did you think you could get a free like or two?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Look at it another way. Do you want it to be like cable? You pay for a certain package that gets only certain stuff (which they happen to own also) and there's a bunch of stuff tied in with it that you never use but have to pay for anyway because it's part of the package, all the good stuff, say, research, will require a premium package and so on. No one can want that other than the people who will make money from it.

No I get the consumer desire argument. But that's not what I was asking -- all you can eat downloading is preferable to the consumer but it doesn't apply to the treat Internet as a necessity debate. If ISP went the Rogers / bell route (mandated by government) to offer basics 5 mbps - 20 gigs a month for 26 bucks, that is meeting the basic necessity of people.

Obviously the cable companies want to treat data like they did television and tier it. But the argument against it is predominantly people don't like it; but unfettered data is not a basic need. More specifically, video streaming is not a basic need.

 

[44nutman]

for those upset about this.

why didn't any of this bad stuff happen before 2015?

I definitely blame Hillary for the repeal.

 

[volodya]

What are you confused about? or did you think you could get a free like or two?

I think overturning this is a bad thing. So I'm confused about you.

 

[NickNick]

for those upset about this.

why didn't any of this bad stuff happen before 2015?

https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
A few highlights:

In 2005, the nation’s largest ISP, Comcast, began secretly blocking peer-to-peer technologies

From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone

From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet

In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones

In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

This is what I don't get. Corporations are supposed to be voracious animals that will do anything to make more money than their competitors but will willingly forego all that to work together on this?

If they compete against each other someone will have to cut prices and take a hit on their margins. Much easier to carve out opposing niches, agree to not compete on prices, then both companies can make tons of money with very little effort. Thats what happens when you have markets ruled by duopolies/oligopolies.

 

[kahiljabroni]

I've been a trumper since day 1 tho I'd never call myself a Republican. My hope was he would change the Republican party. ..Unfortunately it's the same old corporatist cocksuckers.

Between this and the tax bill I'm fkn fed up. I just wish there was a viable option because the left wing definitely isn't one.

 

[The Diplomat]

@ChainFlow just to state , i am for net neutrality i just dont by the narrative that all internet is a necessity

Either get with the future or get out the way.

Unfortunately, the future is looking bleak with this stuff.

Mind you, I'm a person who actively posts on a MMA karate board, same as you. I'm assuming you use the internet for other things. It's a way of life for some people. Shop on Amazon instead of dealing with idiots at Walmart. It may be more antisocial, but the social out there isn't too bright.

 

[deviake]

for those upset about this.

why didn't any of this bad stuff happen before 2015?

The term Network Neutrality was first coined in 2003. To add to NickNick's post above (if you feel like reading):

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-timeline-20170502-htmlstory.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...utrality-vint-cerf-tim-berners-lee-fcc-letter

Net Neutrality has been around awhile, but wasn't classified under Title II Protections until 2015. There's been a lot of debate and legal battles over it over the years, and ISPs have been caught throttling content, which lead to the reform and regulations in 2015.

As to why this is bad, I suggest perusing the thread. Info about Net Neutrality is plentiful and everywhere.

 

[ShadowRun]

for those upset about this.

why didn't any of this bad stuff happen before 2015?

If the government wasn’t there to control them bro are 1st world privledges will be doomed. FCC needs to regulate Xbox one and PS4 cost and gaming cost they could work together and charge 1500 a system and 300 a game. Think of the children !

 

[Demoslasher]

So trumpets are now forced to defend this shit...yet we all know if Hilary had done it they would be wanting to storm the white house. It's honestly really sad.

Basically the Republicans did what they always do, fucked over the American people in order to give their billionaire donors what they want. It's sad that the two biggest losses of personal freedom happen under Republicans that constantly pretend to be for personal freedom(patriot act and net neutrality repeal)

For the dumbasses in the room that don't get why this is bad, let me put it this way. They now have the legal ability to in effect, censor the internet. Let's say Verizon suddenly decides they are morally against MMA because the UFC is sponsored by their competitors. They have the ability to severely restrict access to MMA websites...with this repeal, censorship is not only possible, it's inevitable. Hope you people like the idea of porn sites being part of their premium packages only..

 

[NickNick]

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...lion-to-Kill-Net-Neutrality-Since-2008-139931

Over half a BILLION spend lobbying, that's basically all you need to know about this to know this isn't good for anyone but the ISP's and the ones getting their pockets lined by them.

 

[Makani]

a question I have about this...

if companies then choose to throttle their speeds, or charge more for certain services or whatever....

why wouldn't competition still apply? would not the company that doesn't resort to those things intice more customers?

you know, like the cell phone market and the unlimited plans? Verizon doesn't have the total dominance it used to.....
edit: I realize that if you live in a rural locale (as I do) that you could be screwed either way due to lack of competition already

Lack of competition isn't just a rural thing, cities are consolidating in a big way, we just don't call then monopolies because theoretically someone could try to challenge them. Theoretically. Eventually you'll have one option if you want any sort of reliable service, and they'll bleed you.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Lack of competition isn't just a rural thing, cities are consolidating in a big way, we just don't call then monopolies because theoretically someone could try to challenge them. Theoretically. Eventually you'll have one option if you want any sort of reliable service, and they'll bleed you.

ya, there's usually catches to antitrust/monopoly rules

like in sports, the CBAs of each major sport league in the US is specifically what allows them to operate what are essential monopolies

i have no clue how the WWE actually got away w/ purchasing it's two largest competitors, perhaps b/c it's 'sports entertainment'?

 

[Pinyin]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html

WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle landmark rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone services.

The action reversed the agency’s 2015 decision, during the Obama administration, to better protect Americans as they have migrated to the internet for most communications.

Ajit Pai, the chairman of the commission, said the rollback of the rules would eventually help consumers because broadband providers like AT&T and Comcast could offer people a wider variety of service options. Mr. Pai was joined in the 3-to-2 vote by his two fellow Republican commissioners.

“We are helping consumers and promoting competition,” Mr. Pai said before the vote. “Broadband providers will have more incentive to build networks, especially to underserved areas.”

The discarding of net neutrality regulations is the most significant and controversial action by the F.C.C. under Mr. Pai. In his first 11 months as chairman, he has lifted media ownership limits, eased caps on how much broadband providers can charge business customers and cut back on a low-income broadband program that was slated to be expanded to nationwide carriers.

His plan, first outlined early this year, set off a flurry of opposition. Critics of the changes say consumers may have more difficulty finding content online and that start-ups will have to pay to reach consumers. In the last week, there have been hundreds of protests across the country, and many websites have encouraged users to speak up against the repeal. Some groups have said they planned to file a lawsuit challenging the change.

“I dissent, because I am among the millions outraged,” said Mignon Clyburn, one of the two Democratic commissioners who voted against the action. “Outraged, because the F.C.C. pulls its own teeth, abdicating responsibility to protect the nation’s broadband consumers.”

During Mr. Pai’s speech before the vote, security guards entered the meeting room at the F.C.C. and told everyone to evacuate the room. They did not offer details but demanded that attendees leave until the room was cleared. Commissioners were ushered out a separate back door. The hearing restarted a short time later.

Despite all the uproar, it is unclear how much will change for internet users. The rules were essentially a protective measure, largely meant to prevent telecom companies from favoring some sites over others. And major telecom companies have promised consumers that their experiences online would not change.

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Some of you may be interested in this more in-depth discussion that references the subject in a practical manner in regards to Youtube...etc. Some of their analogies are on point, and overall, their gloomy vibe about it all is sadly quite justified.

Net Neutrality was actually passed by Obama on December 23rd 2016. Section 1287 of National Defense Auhtorization Act.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/text

some of you commie reddit tards need to take a law class and learn how to read US Code.

 

[aitkenmike]

This is what I don't get. Corporations are supposed to be voracious animals that will do anything to make more money than their competitors but will willingly forego all that to work together on this?

Corporations are supposed to be voracious animals that will do anything to make as much money as they can AND will willingly forego all that to work together on this?

Fixed that for you. Look at the theory around Oligopolies & price setting rather than price taking.

 

[EmpireShallFall]

Fascism, the merger of state and corporate power.

 

[The Big Bang]

Net Neutrality was actually passed by Obama on December 23rd 2016. Section 1287 of National Defense Auhtorization Act.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/text

some of you commie reddit tards need to take a law class and learn how to read US Code.

You are really "special" aren't you.

Damn.