Eye pokes create a huge advantage, and current rules are absurd

[joy2day]

They will always happen, but they would be a lot rarer if they deducted a point every time it happened. Fighters COULD choose to be more careful about extending the fingers and could choose NOT to intentionally poke their opponent.

Rampage is right that they almost never happen in training, so why are they happening in fighting so much? Not buying the whole "It's just something that happens in fights" narrative. Not when you look at how often it happens.

It is HUGE advantage to get a good eye poke on an opponent; it's really hard to come back from. Both Stipe (DC 1) and Randy (Chuck 2) got KOd right after an eye poke, and a lot of fighters are never the same for the rest of the fight. I couldn't believe they allowed Max to poke Justin twice without penalty, crazy.

There is no way to tell for sure if it is intentional- and since that is true, anyone could intentionally poke their opponent, claim it was an accident, and have a big advantage. Where is the justification to not take a point away? Even if it was an accident, it gives the poker a big advantage, so losing a point would still be justified.
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Edit: It looks like they ARE going to change the rules. Herb Dean says: “There's gonna be a meeting where we go over that. Definitely something's gonna happen. Enough people are upset, enough of the right people. Some people have been talking, it's got enough momentum... For people to vote on a rule change, there are a bunch of rule changes we should do; we’ll get to those, too."

By "enough of the right people," I'm sure he meant the Sherbros talking about it in this thread.

 

[joy2day]

Pretty stupid to be shitting on Tom over this situation and giving props to Gane. Lots of retarded reactions on Sherdog, but this one takes the cake.

New video shows Tom Aspinall's livid backstage reaction after UFC 321 eye-pokes: 'All that training for that'

Aspinall's first statement since UFC 321 included footage of his furious backstage reaction immediately following his eye-poke controversy with Ciryl Gane.

sports.yahoo.com

"All that training for that," a livid Aspinall can be heard telling Daniel Cormier. "What the f*** is he doing?"

"The left one was really deep," replies Cormier.

"They're f***ing both bad," Aspinall says. "They're both bad. He got warned twice before it. Twice before it he got warned for it. F***ing did it again."

 

[Arm Barbarian]

 

[jeff7b9]

This whole train wreck is good in a weird way....

Similar to how a stock market crash is "good" in that it results in correcting a bubble... but there will be pain, that is just how things work.


If no one stands up against a bad behavior then it continues.

All these idiots fighters saying a champ should just take it in the ass and fight on with a disadvantage and effectively award their opponent for cheating are part of the problem.

Gane is a serial cheater.

This was shaping up to be a competitive fight, such that the advantage caused by impaired vision from an illegal shot COULD have imparted sufficient change in the trajectory of the fight to possibly affect the outcome. We have seen NUMEROUS TIMES where a fighter gets fouled and finished shortly after whilst trying to fight on in a compromised state.

Effectively what the entire tard army is saying right now is:


"The HW champ should have risked his legacy and title by fighting with impaired vision because that means I get what I want and I don't care who else gets hurt as long as I get what I want."


Unfortunately for Gane, many of you in the tard army, Chael, Anthony Smith, etc.... Tom has enough backbone to not cave to pressure and cave to the crybabies, he was willing to stand up for himself and not get fucked over and placate cheating, whether it be intentional or not. Yall gotta wait and it will get rebooked and hopefully we get a fair fight then and may the best man win.

 

[axhand1e]

how is it an advantage to have no-contests and DQs on your record?

just sayin

 

[Alpha_T83]

Agreed. The starting point for accidental eye pokes should be a mandatory point deduction for the first poke. Intentional or repeated pokes within a fight, or if a fighter repeatedly pokes opponents over the course of multiple fights, should result in a mandatory 2-point deduction. And in extreme cases we should see outright DQ's.

 

[Alpha_T83]

how is it an advantage to have no-contests and DQs on your record?

just sayin

He's talking about when you poke your opponent in the eyes and they choose to continue. You often don't even get a point deducted, and now your opponent's vision is compromised for the rest of the fight. It's an insanely unfair advantage for a "free foul".

Pretty much every fighter that has been poked badly has said the same thing: their vision was compromised for the rest of the fight.

 

[joy2day]

how is it an advantage to have no-contests and DQs on your record?

just sayin

That's addressed in the OP. Fighters mostly DON'T get no contests or DQs, they end up winning, often by KO (like my examples in the OP).

The whole point is that they need to GET no contests, DQs, or losses when they do that to disincentivize the eye pokes. Fighters gain huge advantages in the fight with an eye poke as it is with no consequence.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

That's addressed in the OP. Fighters mostly DON'T get no contests or DQs, they end up winning, often by KO (like my examples in the OP).

The whole point is that they need to GET no contests, DQs, or losses when they do that to disincentivize the eye pokes. Fighters gain huge advantages in the fight with an eye poke as it is with no consequence.

Even though it was a nutshot, Dober vs Prepolec is an absurdly good example of this. Got his ass beat after taking a nut shot.

What do you think about % purse deductions for fouls?

 

[joy2day]

Even though it was a nutshot, Dober vs Prepolec is an absurdly good example of this. Got his ass beat after taking a nut shot.

What do you think about % purse deductions for fouls?

I'm not against that. They should work out what happens with foul #1, then more penalties for #2. They could make it better in other ways also- I always thought fence grabbing to stay upright should mean an automatic restart on the ground in the guard.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

If it was a financial penalty, it'd have to be percent. If it was a small flat fee, Jones' fingers would go into an eyeball every time he brushed another bill out of his hands while making it rain

 

[nostradumbass]

Even though it was a nutshot, Dober vs Prepolec is an absurdly good example of this. Got his ass beat after taking a nut shot.

What do you think about % purse deductions for fouls?

I have no idea what the reasoning is to deduct from a fighter's purse and give it to the opponent if they miss weight by 1 lb, but nothing at all for poking them in the eyes or kicking them in the nuts.

If given a choice between fighting someone your size when you can't see or are seeing double, or fighting someone 4 lbs heavier than you but you have your vision, nobody is picking fighting when you can't see.

 

[HereticBD]

I don't think any rule changes would help a whole lot. The vast majority of eye pokes are incidental, and if severe punishments were handed out for them, you wouldn't like it. Guys would be cringing in pain over any finger that even brushed against their face, looking for an advantage.

Unless they change the gloves, which is a whole other ball of wax, I think they(and we) just have to deal with it being part of the fight game.

 

[Mind Mine]

Let’s play a sport a little safer and will cover a broader spectrum of analysis. It will help you stay on topic of mma discussion instead of being so gotten too over mma discussion you worry about who hasn’t been poked in the eye or has fought. What you do Brother Hamster Penis is you watch thousands of fights with hundreds of eye poke scenarios and when you can find zero with a fighter quitting with no visible signs by multiple doctors, nor trying to hint he can’t see within the first 30 seconds knowing that stops the fight, it’s safe to say he quit. The 40 minute documentary trying to save face should let you know Tom seems Shaube-esque. Perhaps dumber

 

[Axe720]

It should be a point deduction, but this presents another problem. A fighter could go full heel, land a poke and lose a point in exchange for having a compromised opponent to fight. Like how Brock Lesnar used a chair on Kurt Angle in their Iron Man Match, dropping the first fall by DQ but winning overall by fighting a weakened opponent. Right @BroRogan and @GoldenAzazel ?

 

[icemun]

They will always happen, but they would be a lot rarer if they deducted a point every time it happened. Fighters COULD choose to be more careful about extending the fingers and could choose NOT to intentionally poke their opponent.

Rampage is right that they almost never happen in training, so why are they happening in fighting so much? Not buying the whole "It's just something that happens in fights" narrative. Not when you look at how often it happens.

It is HUGE advantage to get a good eye poke on an opponent; it's really hard to come back from. Both Stipe (DC 1) and Randy (Chuck 2) got KOd right after an eye poke, and a lot of fighters are never the same for the rest of the fight. I couldn't believe they allowed Max to poke Justin twice without penalty, crazy.

There is no way to tell for sure if it is intentional- and since that is true, anyone could intentionally poke their opponent, claim it was an accident, and have a big advantage. Where is the justification to not take a point away? Even if it was an accident, it gives the poker a big advantage, so losing a point would still be justified.

Not speaking on the subject per se-

I always thought Rampages crying about Jones hand in his fight was shy of pathetic

Jones just had his hand out and Rampage was calling for the referee for help.

Like he was just stuck on stupid with his opponents hand in the air.

"What do I do?"

Rashad and Reyes just slapped his hand, Rashad popped him for it.

 

[wildchild88]

TS is 100 percent right..

 

[axhand1e]

That's addressed in the OP. Fighters mostly DON'T get no contests or DQs, they end up winning, often by KO (like my examples in the OP).

The whole point is that they need to GET no contests, DQs, or losses when they do that to disincentivize the eye pokes. Fighters gain huge advantages in the fight with an eye poke as it is with no consequence.

ive seen a lot of fights… they dont always result in a win for the poker…


people just have to bitch about something it seems

 

[axhand1e]

i would agree that they need to be stiffer and have more consistent penalties for eye pokes that are incidental, but preventable if the fighters would keep their hands closed at all times while standing and striking…


all we can do is minimize them tho, we will NEVER eliminate them totally, I mean it is MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, a combination of all FIGHTING styles…


even in high school wrestling eye pokes are a thing


we iust need to minimize them without totally fucking up the sport…


like the extreme would be to make the gloves fingerless like boxing gloves but it would fuck the grapplers way too much so they cant do it


they are trying trust me… fights like this loses everyone involved all kinds of money so trust me they are all over it

 

[pamirec]

Funny enough most of the hate is coming from undisputed eypoker’s fans.