Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[SuperAlly]

WB has made a 1.2 times return on its Superman investment in three weeks.

No it hasnt

You understand in addition to the production budget there is then the marketing budget which "consensus opinion" is that is typically ~ 50% of production budget for big Hollywood movies (superman reckoned to be more due to the big marketing push they had) but we'll accept the industry standard of around 50%

So you are looking at circa 337.5mil

Then you understand they get around 50% of tickets sales (40ish % overseas and 50 or 60% domestic, I forget which)

So "consensus opinion" is they need to take double their production and marketing budget roughly to break even

Once again you (and the wire) have had a mare

 

[HenryFlower]

No it hasnt

You understand in addition to the production budget there is then the marketing budget which "consensus opinion" is that is typically ~ 50% of production budget for big Hollywood movies (superman reckoned to be more due to the big marketing push they had) but we'll accept the industry standard of around 50%

So you are looking at circa 337.5mil

Then you understand they get around 50% of tickets sales (40ish % overseas and 50 or 60% domestic, I forget which)

So "consensus opinion" is they need to take double their production and marketing budget roughly to break even

Once again you (and the wire) have had a mare

so, in turn, i’m sure you understand that the studio takes upwards of 90% box office opening weekend, then it will typically taper down by increments of 10% each week until it gets to 50% split. since you’re gonna make up numbers to add to the budget, you gotta include all the other tricky benefits & deals that add to the box office return

but honestly, the consensus (from sites you sourced fwiw) is that the movie has already broken even & will now continue turning a small profit since it still has plenty of legs left to stick around for at least another month in theaters

Once again you (and the wire) have had a mare

do you mean The Wrap? if that’s the case, why would you source their reporting to make your argument?

 

[SuperAlly]

so, in turn, i’m sure you understand that the studio takes upwards of 90% box office opening weekend, then it will typically taper down by increments of 10% each week until it gets to 50% split. since you’re gonna make up numbers to add to the budget, you gotta include all the other tricky benefits & deals that add to the box office return

but honestly, the consensus (from sites you sourced fwiw) is that the movie has already broken even & will now continue turning a small profit since it still has plenty of legs left to stick around for at least another month in theaters


do you mean The Wrap? if that’s the case, why would you source their reporting to make your argument?

I was quite clear i was referencing the $225 production budget

The fact your incorrectly extrapolated that something i didn't say is not my error. It's yours.

Also, seems you are making up numbers

Google Search

I said those films were "struggling to break even". Very much seems that was a fair representation of the situation

Time to sit down and shut up as usual.

 

[UberHere]

pretending like this is all because of an ad is hilarious levels of dishonesty & headline-gullibility. they tricked you again, congrats

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[HenryFlower]

I was quite clear i was referencing the $225 production budget

The fact your incorrectly extrapolated that something i didn't say is not my error. It's yours.

this you?

So you are looking at circa 337.5mil

Also, seems you are making up numbers

Google Search

I said those films were "struggling to break even". Very much seems that was a fair representation of the situation

Time to sit down and shut up as usual.

for the sake of accuracy:

It's interesting the wokerati on here are desperate to claim Superman and F4 when it looks like both movies will struggle to hit break even territory

Numbers here pretty much confirm it, Fantastic 4 and Superman will struggle to break even and probably lose money

let the record show that these statements were made when the Superman investment had already broken even & while the movie was still only on its third week in theaters where it was averaging like $4m/day domestically

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Numbers here pretty much confirm it, Fantastic 4 and Superman will struggle to break even and probably lose money

I guess the desperation to claim them as "woke" projects will die on its arse now unless the side that proposed the patently false proposition in the OP are looking to add more fuel that disproves their argument - not that any more fuel is required at this point

Woke nonsense in movies, TV and entertainment has basically annihilated many of the formerly money-printing machine and insanely popular franchises

I wonder how much of this is general capeshit fatigue. How many remakes of reboots of remainings of some comic shit can they make before people get sick of paying for it?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I wonder how much of this is general capeshit fatigue. How many remakes of reboots of remainings of some comic shit can they make before people get sick of paying for it?

I barely liked superhero movies even back when people thought they were great. The last one i watched was deadpool and wolverine, and i thought it sucked. I did like deadpool 1 and 2 though.

 

[SuperAlly]

this you?

for the sake of accuracy:


let the record show that these statements were made when the Superman investment had already broken even & while the movie was still only on its third week in theaters where it was averaging like $4m/day domestically

You still failing to add on the production budget Henry

Man this is just embarrassing for you failing to understand basic economics around movie.

For the avoidance of doubt as you keep failing to understand this - in addition to the publicly announced production budget there is also a marketing budget which must be considered when accounting for profit.

I really can't believe you are this stupid.

You get many opportunities to take an out and you just don't take them.

If we want to absolute pedants about arguments

Come an explain your taken 1.2 x their expenditure argument where you only account for a portion of their expenditure and your upwards of 90% argument

Sit down and shut up. Lol

 

[SuperAlly]

Oh wait @HenryFlower you don't know what upwards means do you?

Fuck, I'd hate to be as dumb as you whilst routinely jumping 2 footed into arguments I don't understand.

 

[SuperAlly]

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[ShadowRun]

Oh wait @HenryFlower you don't know what upwards means do you?

Fuck, I'd hate to be as dumb as you whilst routinely jumping 2 footed into arguments I don't understand.

The dude has Flower in his name, defending his religion of woke is mandatory.

 

[SuperAlly]

The dude has Flower in his name, defending his religion of woke is mandatory.

He's too dumb to realise he is proving my point perfectly

My initial post he took issue with is that it's funny to see the desperation of "team woke" to try and claim movies they thought would be successes* that according to consensus arent even woke and are actually "struggling to break even". One (superman) will finish somewhere close either side of break even and the other will likely be a financial failure when all is said and done.

He is proving my desperation point perfectly. It's funny to watch.

(* because of riding the coat tails of a hugely popular IP, not because it's a good woke movie - before the audience realise it's a bait and switch basically - a formerly somewhat successful team woke strategy the public are wise to now)

 

[ShadowRun]

That winning formula I see .

 

[UberHere]

I really can't believe you are this stupid.

I can.

Woke is the left’s version of Bible literalist creationists. Maybe even worse. At least the latter takes pride in a hard day’s work. Bottom of the barrel, dumbest people you’ll encounter.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[Blastbeat]

I barely liked superhero movies even back when people thought they were great. The last one i watched was deadpool and wolverine, and i thought it sucked. I did like deadpool 1 and 2 though.

there has to be capeshit fatigue from even the most mindless consoooomer at this time. there are so many superhero movies out that i have lost count. that reboot of the Fantastic Four - isnt that the 3rd or 4th time that its been rebooted or redone?
after a certain point it just becomes tiresome.

 

[ShadowRun]

Great thread TS … lol dork

 

[SuperAlly]

It would be a really interesting social experiment to see how it did at the box office if one of these formerly ridiculously popular IPs like Marvel, DC, Star Wars etc went ahead and made a movie where they didn't focus primarily on how many alphabetti spaghetti groups or colours of the rainbow were represented, where all the promotion was about the fact that the director or lead was female or not white or not straight or not some other undesirable characteristic. Where all they talked about (and followed through on) was how they had been honourable to the source material



If they just kept modern Californian politics out of it and didn't even discuss it.

In some parallel universe there are Marvel and Star Wars projects building the brands not destroying them because they don't have some selfish, egotistical cunts trying to ride the coat tails of the brands for their own political self interests.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

That winning formula I see .

Colbert, Gayle ... who's next? I didn't even know Gayle's woke.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson loves attention but probably no publicist would want to work with him now after he went from show to show encouraging vaccines an boosters. I hope his career is over.