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Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

SuperAlly said:
Star Wars
Marvel
Doctor who
Etc
Etc
Etc

The list of formally enormously successful franchises that trod this path and annihilated their ability to generate profit is vast
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Star Wars has made over 12 billions since the Lucas Acquisition

Marvel has been "woke" since 1965. Any comic fan is keenly aware of this.

How does Dr. Who make "proft" on for BBC? How is that monitarily calculated and when specifically did it go "woke"?
 
ermac88 said:
1. Star Wars has made over 12 billions since the Lucas Acquisition

2. Marvel has been "woke" since 1965. Any comic fan is keenly aware of this.

3. How does Dr. Who make "proft" on for BBC? How is that monitarily calculated and when specifically did it go "woke"?
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1. Pretty sure 1 was debunked
2. No.
3. Dr Who is clearly failing. The latest series was setting embarrassing records for low numbers of viewers

It is clear that all 3 have destroyed formerly massively loyal fanbases.

Not sure why anyone would deny reality
 
ermac88 said:
Star Wars has made over 12 billions since the Lucas Acquisition
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SuperAlly said:
1. Pretty sure 1 was debunked
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Yeah, I don't know how that is being calculated because you can't attribute Disney+ revenue to Star Wars directly, and that is where the majority of their non-box office revenue will be generated by the IP. Of course Disney+ includes the movies for home viewing, too. The Disney+ bundles (Disney+/ESPN/Hulu) are often sold because parents want an easy, kid-safe streaming service, or to people who aren't interested in Disney at all.

Anyone who tries to pitch the following trends as positive is clearly drinking the methed out Charlie Sheen Kool-Aid.
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it must’ve really sucked to rake in over a billion dollars in box office revenue for each of the Rey&Ren trilogy movies + Rogue One
 
SuperAlly said:
1. Pretty sure 1 was debunked
2. No.
3. Dr Who is clearly failing. The latest series was setting embarrassing records for low numbers of viewers

It is clear that all 3 have destroyed formerly massively loyal fanbases.

Not sure why anyone would deny reality
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It seems like you're conflating "reality" with what you want and emotions?


Disney Made $12 Billion Off Star Wars​

www.hollywoodreporter.com

This Is How Much Disney Has Made Off of the Star Wars and Marvel Franchises

As it fights off an activist investor dead set on changing the company's plans, the Bob Iger-led company touted its massive profits from two big bets over the past 15 years.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com

No? Marvel has not been woke since the 60s? Every comic fan knows this. Perhaps you have a different definition of woke?

Can you define how Marvel is woke now?

also
when did doctor who become 'woke' and how ?
 
Madmick said:
Yeah, I don't know how that is being calculated because you can't attribute Disney+ revenue to Star Wars directly, and that is where the majority of their non-box office revenue will be generated by the IP. Of course Disney+ includes the movies for home viewing, too. The Disney+ bundles (Disney+/ESPN/Hulu) are often sold because parents want an easy, kid-safe streaming service, or to people who aren't interested in Disney at all.

Anyone who tries to pitch the following trends as positive is clearly drinking the methed out Charlie Sheen Kool-Aid.
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Na, you are wrong. That's definitely a positive trend. Lol
 
ermac88 said:
It seems like you're conflating "reality" with what you want and emotions?


Disney Made $12 Billion Off Star Wars​

www.hollywoodreporter.com

This Is How Much Disney Has Made Off of the Star Wars and Marvel Franchises

As it fights off an activist investor dead set on changing the company's plans, the Bob Iger-led company touted its massive profits from two big bets over the past 15 years.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com

No? Marvel has not been woke since the 60s? Every comic fan knows this. Perhaps you have a different definition of woke?

Can you define how Marvel is woke now?

also
when did doctor who become 'woke' and how ?
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Na. I am sure those numbers were debunked. Creatine accounting and including forward projections.

No matter how you spin it, the numbers clearly show following a woke agenda is decimating the fanbase.
 

If you wanna win a war, or at least retain your credibility for future debates, at least learn when to lose an individual battle. Or stop supporting a losing proposition

 


This is like a choose your own adventure for the far left lunatics.

Do you
A) defend the indefensible
B) Go straight to the ad hominen attack
 
SuperAlly said:
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Hope that wasn't edited because that guy handled it perfectly.

I've been reading a book called The Identity Trap, it's been a wonderful read. About 90% done; it really hits on the limitations of the post-modern Identity Politics framework. There's too much to get into here, but my personal conclusion is it's what happens when emotionally well intentioned people with a little bit of knowledge over-estimate the quality of their beliefs. The proverbial think for 10 minutes and talk for 10 hours, instead of thinking 10 hours and talking for 10 minutes.

I was saying in another thread how the AI analysis claimed I was "center right" because of my belief it meritocracy, but meritocracy to me is a very liberal belief. The right side of the spectrum leans towards success based on family inheritance, lineage, closeness to those in power, being in a caste/race etc. But the woke people have somehow pushed meritocracy away from being considered a liberal stance because it's not perfect or because "the rich get richer" or multi-generational families in the west have had longer times to pass down accumulated wealth.

It's ridiculous. Meritocracy is to society what democracy is to ideology; the worst system besides all the others. Getting rid of either, no matter how well intentioned, winds up failing.
 
HenryFlower said:
i can tell you only read the headline & stopped there
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Did you read it? The headline summarizes the article's contents pretty succinctly.
Analysis of more than 800 pages of company filings has revealed that the cost of making Disney's five Star Wars movies hit a total of $2.1 billion, peaking at $567.3 million (£449.1 million) on The Force Awakens. However, that's just the start.
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That included their "ingenious" schemes to exploit the heavy European incentives to attract filmmaking with kickbacks to film studios.

Assuming a typical revenue-sharing scheme between Disney and theater chains, of the $5.924 billion sum international revenue for those 5 movies at the box office, they would keep $3.258 billion. So $3.258 billion - $2.1 billion = $1.158 billion net revenue.

That's before all of the taxes they'd have to pay across the dozens of international countries where it showed. The heaviest box office takes are in countries that tend to levy the steepest taxes. Somewhere at the end of that is your actual profit.

They paid $4.05bn to acquire Lucasfilm.
 
SuperAlly said:


This is like a choose your own adventure for the far left lunatics.

Do you
A) defend the indefensible
B) Go straight to the ad hominen attack
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If I achieve nothing else in this forum, I want to educate everyone here to the fact that Screen Rant (and its sister site Game Rant) are 100% bought and paid for review factories. They are mouthpieces for the major media corporations: Disney perhaps above all.

Every single time they release a shitty movie or show, every single goddamn time, and that content gets destroyed by fans, Screen Rant will be out there fielding a, "People actually love it! It's getting *gasp* review-bombed! The real fans all feel positively!! Best show ever!!!"

I won't link it because these websites disgust me, but the current iteration is:
MCU Fans Are Fighting Back On Rotten Tomatoes After Ironheart Review Bombing

LOL, RottenTomatoes. Hilarious to see the company review factory citing the company meta-aggregator factory. Fans aren't fighting back. RT just deletes all the negative reviews as "review bombing". But hard as they try they can't botfarm enough positive reviews to ever get the number up.

I'm gonna add it to the pile. Elephants don't forget. We're gonna keep score by minding every time we as fans were attacked as racists or sexists or some form of bigotry for rejecting their shitty works of art, and they called it "review bombing". See how well these hold up to the test of time.

Ironheart (2025)
Snow White (2025) [they pre-emptively shamed fans for this]
Star Wars: The Acolyte (2024)
Agatha All Along (2024)
True Detective: Night Country (2024) [aka season 4]
Velma (2023)
Peter Pan & Wendy (2023)
The Little Mermaid (2023)
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023)
Ahsoka (2023)
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)
Resident Evil (2022)
Ms. Marvel (2022)
She-Hulk (2022)
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (2022)
The Eternals (2021)
Watchmen (2019)
Batwoman (2019)
Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)
Captain Marvel (2019)
Star Trek: Discovery (2017)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
The Promise (2016)
Ghostbusters (2016)
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
Hope that wasn't edited because that guy handled it perfectly.

I've been reading a book called The Identity Trap, it's been a wonderful read. About 90% done; it really hits on the limitations of the post-modern Identity Politics framework. There's too much to get into here, but my personal conclusion is it's what happens when emotionally well intentioned people with a little bit of knowledge over-estimate the quality of their beliefs. The proverbial think for 10 minutes and talk for 10 hours, instead of thinking 10 hours and talking for 10 minutes.

I was saying in another thread how the AI analysis claimed I was "center right" because of my belief it meritocracy, but meritocracy to me is a very liberal belief. The right side of the spectrum leans towards success based on family inheritance, lineage, closeness to those in power, being in a caste/race etc. But the woke people have somehow pushed meritocracy away from being considered a liberal stance because it's not perfect or because "the rich get richer" or multi-generational families in the west have had longer times to pass down accumulated wealth.

It's ridiculous. Meritocracy is to society what democracy is to ideology; the worst system besides all the others. Getting rid of either, no matter how well intentioned, winds up failing.
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Sounds like an interesting book, I do enjoy reading so may check ir out.

Some of our ardent followers of modern far left indoctrination here, who will vehemently attack any piece of evidence against their ideology - even when it is clearly and objectively a fools errand (such as pretending Disney have made a success of purchasing and destroying the star wars franchise) - might also benefit from reading.
 
Madmick said:
Did you read it? The headline summarizes the article's contents pretty succinctly.

That included their "ingenious" schemes to exploit the heavy European incentives to attract filmmaking with kickbacks to film studios.

Assuming a typical revenue-sharing scheme between Disney and theater chains, of the $5.924 billion sum international revenue for those 5 movies at the box office, they would keep $3.258 billion. So $3.258 billion - $2.1 billion = $1.158 billion net revenue.

That's before all of the taxes they'd have to pay across the dozens of international countries where it showed. The heaviest box office takes are in countries that tend to levy the steepest taxes. Somewhere at the end of that is your actual profit.

They paid $4.05bn to acquire Lucasfilm.
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Well this is awkward

This bsttle on this particular point is well and truly lost

Try and salvage some credibility for future debate by taking the small L here
 
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