Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[HereticBD]

Let's make this simple. If I'm an investor, why would I put my money into Ubisoft instead of other publishers?

Up until a little while ago, it would be because of their built in success of familiar IP's. I mean, you're acting like AC, R6, and FC weren't anything to take notice of if you were an investor. Their market value being quite high up until it recently fell off a cliff, proves that there was plenty of reason to invest in the company prior to that.

When I said circling the drain I was primarily referring to their mediocre output that was trending the wrong way

It doesn't matter if the games themselves were "mediocre". For the most part, they were selling rather well. This is why I believe you're just conflating your personal views on the creative side of the company, with financial success. They had no less than three flagship franchises that were printing money, regardless of how tired they may have seemed to you. That's a pretty good foundation no matter how you slice it.

You're just wrong on this one, and keep moving the goal posts to try and make yourself less wrong. Let it go. Their current failings have everything to do with their current failures. Not some ten year trend, where they releasing games that made upwards of a billion+ dollars for them.

 

[avenue94]

Up until a little while ago, it would be because of their built in success of familiar IP's. I mean, you're acting like AC, R6, and FC weren't anything to take notice of if you were an investor. Their market value being quite high up until it recently fell off a cliff, proves that there was plenty of reason to invest in the company prior to that.

It doesn't matter if the games themselves were "mediocre". For the most part, they were selling rather well. This is why I believe you're just conflating your personal views on the creative side of the company, with financial success. They had no less than three flagship franchises that were printing money, regardless of how tired they may have seemed to you. That's a pretty good foundation no matter how you slice it.

You're just wrong on this one, and keep moving the goal posts to try and make yourself less wrong. Let it go. Their current failings have everything to do with their current failures. Not some ten year trend, where they releasing games that made upwards of a billion+ dollars for them.

You're ducking the simple question. Why would anyone have invsted in Ubisoft instead of their competitors?

And notice what? That Valhalla did well but was an outlier, that Far Cry hasn't innovated since Far Cry 3 and continues to slide into irrelevancy? Or should I notice that RB6 is the closest to a live service cash cow the company has and its successor flopped? Or that ubisofts other big attempts to create live service titles have mostly crashed and burned?

And what does current failures even mean? The team has been working on this latest batch of AC games for about 5 years. Again, publishers don't just flop out of nowhere, Ubisoft has been getting outcompeted for years, both financially and on a product level.

 

[SuperAlly]

How have they done compared to other publishers? Everyone did well in covid for games, so Ubisoft hasn't done much since 2019 pretty much, or the better part of the decade. Which was my original point...the company has been on a clearly questionable business trajectory for some time due to mismanagement and not updating most of their core products design wise or financially (live service).

Refer back to my previous message.

There’s nothing clear about it at all.

You have your predetermined conclusion and then you are making the “facts” fit your conclusion.

The facts don’t fit your stated timelines.

Also, for your comparison to be valid, have these other developers made a lot of woke shite, or have they avoided that and focused on making good games.

 

[HereticBD]

And notice what? That Valhalla did well but was an outlier

LOL, no it wasn't. Do you know what "outlier" means? You're suggesting that Valhalla was their only success out of a bunch of failures. That is false.

that Far Cry hasn't innovated since Far Cry 3 and continues to slide into irrelevancy?

And yet, each installment has sold extremely well. See, this is what I'm talking about. You're conflating your personal opinions over the quality of the games with financial success. COD has similar stale miles on it. Still sells. That's all that matters. What don't you understand about this? We're not talking about the quality of the games.

We can have a separate conversation over UBI being lazy, and releasing what are basically re-skins of previous games, but that is neither here nor there, when we're talking about the financial success they were having with those games.

 

[Koro_11]

no one irl gives a single shit about this

Once again confirming that you are completely out of touch with the real world.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Rumor has it that Ubisoft removed all Yasuke content. I hope he'll be playable in future dlc but mc he ain't.

 

[HereticBD]

Rumor has it that Ubisoft removed all Yasuke content. I hope he'll be playable in future dlc but mc he ain't.

That's pretty lame, if true. The panic is real.

I'm assuming the game was gonna have two characters to choose from that ran the same basic campaign with some minor differences(like the last two games), and they just scrapped one of them. It's not gonna memory hole anything. Attempting to appeal to people who have already written it off with this last second desperate move, ain't gonna change any minds. It's just gonna make them look cowardly and disorganized, and create more questions surrounding their ineptitude than anything.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

That's pretty lame, if true. The panic is real.

The panic is real back in 2024. They delayed the release 2x already because of the Yasuke backlash.

 

[HereticBD]

The panic is real back in 2024. They delayed the release 2x already because of the Yasuke backlash.

Sure, but to scrap it entirely? They ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. I doubt it's even as bad as people think.

It seems like a white flag waved in front an army that has already left the battlefield.

Needless to say, if there were any doubts left, their future is riding on this fucker and they are a scramblin'...

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Sure, but to scrap it entirely? They ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. I doubt it's even as bad as people think.

It seems like a white flag waved in front an army that has already left the battlefield.

Needless to say, if there were any doubts left, their future is riding on this fucker and they are a scramblin'...

If Ubisoft didn't went "ackchyually" with their Japanese "scholar" who was just pulling bs out if thin air, it would've been a nothingburger. But they went full retard.

Japanese historian from Tokyo University Kenji Yamamoto - a specialist in the Sengoku and Edo periods" joined the dispute. He began actively arguing in the comments under the Assassin's Creed public domain posts that although Yasuke was in the history of Japan, he was definitely not a samurai. As the main argument, the scholar cited the fact that when the powerful feudal lord and warlord Oda Nobunaga committed seppuku/harakiri and all his samurai, according to the Bushido Code, followed suit and voluntarily laid down their lives, Yasuke escaped this fate. Kenji Yamamoto insists, if Yasuke was indeed a samurai, he would not have been allowed to leave after Nobunaga's death. From this he concludes that Yasuke was not a samurai.

Yamamoto's posts quickly gained popularity, but in this situation Ubisoft did the most incorrect thing: blocked the user, which caused a negative reaction among gamers and the media, who thought that the company was afraid of the Japanese scientist's truth.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Rumor has it that Ubisoft removed all Yasuke content. I hope he'll be playable in future dlc but mc he ain't.

To be a fly on the wall at the meetings when they came up with that decision.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I hope they cancel this Goonies reboot. I heard it was going to be woke. I am sick of my childhood movies being ruined by this woke bullshit.

 

[SuperAlly]

Once again confirming that you are completely out of touch with the real world.

The fact that Ubisoft, EA, Marvel, Star Wars, Disney etc etc etc are all having massive financial failures kind of proves people do care about this shit - but in the exact opposite way the activists and the far left zealots want people to.

 

[SuperAlly]

Rumor has it that Ubisoft removed all Yasuke content. I hope he'll be playable in future dlc but mc he ain't.

I doubt this is true.

Too far gone now.

Just learn your lesson and next time don't do something so culturally tone death whilst dog whistling everyone else about being racist or bigoted.

 

[SuperAlly]

I hope they cancel this Goonies reboot. I heard it was going to be woke. I am sick of my childhood movies being ruined by this woke bullshit.

Not so much a woke concern this time, just a creatively bankrupt Hollywood concern - a lot of shit they rebooted recently has been terrible. When I heard they wanted to remake Big Trouble in Little China I was really concerned.

Some things were just "of their time". And a modern remake would suck ass.

The Goonies and BTiLC are in that list.

 

[ssBaldy]

That's pretty lame, if true. The panic is real.

I'm assuming the game was gonna have two characters to choose from that ran the same basic campaign with some minor differences(like the last two games), and they just scrapped one of them. It's not gonna memory hole anything. Attempting to appeal to people who have already written it off with this last second desperate move, ain't gonna change any minds. It's just gonna make them look cowardly and disorganized, and create more questions surrounding their ineptitude than anything.

It will also prove that Yasuke was a token character all along.

 

[HenryFlower]

The fact that … EA etc etc etc are all having massive financial failures kind of proves people do care about this shit - but in the exact opposite way the activists and the far left zealots want people to.

oh yeah EA Sports FC 25 is def super woke, which is why it flopped & tanked EA’s stock prices this quarter

The fact that … Disney etc etc etc are all having massive financial failures kind of proves people do care about this shit - but in the exact opposite way the activists and the far left zealots want people to.

oh yeah def. Mufasa, Moana 2, & Inside Out 2 were MASSIVE financial failures—devastating failures!

The fact that … Marvel etc etc etc are all having massive financial failures kind of proves people do care about this shit - but in the exact opposite way the activists and the far left zealots want people to.

oh yeah def. Deadpool & Wolverine was a MASSIVE financial failure—devastating failure!

The fact that … Star Wars etc etc etc are all having massive financial failures kind of proves people do care about this shit - but in the exact opposite way the activists and the far left zealots want people to.

there hasn’t been a Star Wars movie since 2019. there is no way to quantify the financial impact of the Star Wars streaming series because the only financial metric that is reported is the Disney+ revenue, which increased in 2024.


good job, bud.

 

[Xanzito]

there is no way to quantify the financial impact of the Star Wars streaming series because the only financial metric that is reported is the Disney+ revenue, which increased in 2024.

Maybe the fact that they cancelled it not a week after the last episode of the season aired is a good metric for a guess?

 

[HenryFlower]

Maybe the fact that they cancelled it not a week after the last episode of the season aired is a good metric for a guess?

doesn’t matter; Disney+ still increasing revenue

 

[avenue94]

LOL, no it wasn't. Do you know what "outlier" means? You're suggesting that Valhalla was their only success out of a bunch of failures. That is false.

Compared to Ubisoft's portfolio, it's an outlier. Most of their IP has flatlined due to mediocre output.

And yet, each installment has sold extremely well. See, this is what I'm talking about. You're conflating your personal opinions over the quality of the games with financial success. COD has similar stale miles on it. Still sells. That's all that matters. What don't you understand about this? We're not talking about the quality of the games.

We can have a separate conversation over UBI being lazy, and releasing what are basically re-skins of previous games, but that is neither here nor there, when we're talking about the financial success they were having with those games.

Here's 2018's best selling games. Notice the difference between Far Cry and COD in performance? And this was Ubisoft's high water mark for the franchise, compared to one of COD's weaker performers.

You're treating game quality and financial performance as separate metrics. They are not, they are heavily related. Mediocre games can perform well fora time, but sooner or later you're going to see them crash out in sales as gamers lose interest.

That's why Ubisoft has had a weak trajectory for a decade. Mediocre games, and they have been unable to break into the new markets that other publishers found success in. Mobile, live service, trans media cross overs, Ubisoft has underperformed big time in all of those.

Refer back to my previous message.

There’s nothing clear about it at all.

You have your predetermined conclusion and then you are making the “facts” fit your conclusion.

The facts don’t fit your stated timelines.

Also, for your comparison to be valid, have these other developers made a lot of woke shite, or have they avoided that and focused on making good games.

The big things investors want in publishers are live service titles and mobile gaming. Has Ubisoft underperformed or overperformed compared to other publishers in these two markets? This is pretty cut and dry.