Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Nizam al-Mulk]

If the user scores on Metacritic are okay then.

So, metacritic is like what kind of voters?

 

[ChosenOne]

I agree to a large extent. There are a whole bunch of middle aged white men watching these grifting Youtube channels and getting all angry and butthurt every day. When they were the beneficiaries of this "woke writing" pandering to them for decades.

John Wayne as Genghis Khan LMAO.

Ya, there simply is no denying who has been the biggest target of 'wokie writing' the prior 100 years. Not just fictional characters but also real life people, all played by white males and, over time females, because of the audience they were pandering too.

And yet when there is talk of adding in an Asian character to a marvel movie, like is happening in Thunderbolts thread, because 'ZOMG they are woke pandering to the Chinese again', or you see in the Gladiator remake movies complaints of 'ZOMG, black character' complaints .... those same people look at examples like the above, presented to them for OVER 100 YEARS, and do not see it. Nope. Nothing woke in the above they will tell you believing it is just natural for them to be pandered to and thus not 'woke'.

They are clueless why 90% of all women you would see on screen were in good shape and mostly hot. Especially the ones dating average guys, geeky guys in movies. The 'geeky guy gets the hot girl' narrative is PURE WOKE PANDERING to the ego of average men and as average looking women want to see themselves in these movies too, as the average men are presented, even though i miss the hot girls, i do not cry about the casting as woke, when i KNOW, we got almost 100 years of hot girls, for that reason.

 

[Scerpi]

Because Japanese players are upset with the lack of representation of a game set in Japan.

This... It's like Ubisoft doesn't understand Japan at all

 

[ChosenOne]

HOWEVER, there is a lot of dogshit writing and wokeness these days too. WAY overcorrection.

Yasuke can be played as gay in the new Assassin's Creed.

A GAY BLACK Samurai in Feudal Japan? LMAO - that is going full retard.

Assassin's Creed Shadows confirms same-sex romance options

Assassin's Creed Shadows will let players have same-sex relationships, but that's not all

www.gamingbible.com

Yup. Tons of terrible scripts and writing always exists.

It was demographics.

Do you think at that same time would Bollywood cast a mongol to play a mongol character?

What do you mean by 'it was demographics'?

I expect Bollywood would woke pander to their Indian audience the same way Hollywood always has. they will consider who is buying the tickets and cast accordingly. If white american and chinese buyers become significant in their market suddenly you will see more castings and writing to squeeze more content in their direction.

This is business 101, and you shift content as the buyers shift. You remain woke to the changes in your audience, even as the majority of your content remains pandering to the old guard majority. That the old guard majority will cry, thinking no changes should happen and they should CONTINUE to get 100% of the pandering, would just be bad business. Let them cry.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

What do you mean by 'it was demographics'?



This is business 101, and you shift content as the buyers shift. You remain woke to the changes in your audience, even as the majority of your content remains pandering to the old guard majority. That the old guard majority will cry, thinking no changes should happen and they should CONTINUE to get 100% of the pandering, would just be bad business. Let them cry.

They were way more white people and black people did not have the same civil rights for a while.

Have you seen what happened to Star Wars? They are not just complaining, they stagnating and tanking projects.

 

[ChosenOne]

They were way more white people and black people did not have the same civil rights for a while.

Have you seen what happened to Star Wars? They are not just complaining, they stagnating and tanking projects.

Ya, that is my point. Way more white people (white male buyers) means you will get tailored content to them specifically. I would expect the same from a Chinese Producer in CHina, and Bollywood producer in India. You pander to the audience you see buying.

As that audience face changes you try to add in content to pander to them too. Sometimes you get it right and some times wrong. That is to be expected when you still have a majority of one audience (white, mostly male), but you are trying to appeal to a second or third or more groups too. Especially when one group (white males) are so violently opposed and sensitive to content they even sniff is not being made to pander directly to them.

You see it all the time before a script is known or even casting is set. Complaints and predictions that they may cast a woman or PoC, before we even know if the person is good or not. If the script is good or not. Just a loud crying demand of 'PANDER TO ME DAMMIT', and not them.'

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Ya, that is my point. Way more white people (white male buyers) means you will get tailored content to them specifically. I would expect the same from a Chinese Producer in CHina, and Bollywood producer in India. You pander to the audience you see buying.

As that audience face changes you try to add in content to pander to them too. Sometimes you get it right and some times wrong. That is to be expected when you still have a majority of one audience (white, mostly male), but you are trying to appeal to a second or third or more groups too. Especially when one group (white males) are so violently opposed and sensitive to content they even sniff is not being made to pander directly to them.

You see it all the time before a script is known or even casting is set. Complaints and predictions that they may cast a woman or PoC, before we even know if the person is good or not. If the script is good or not. Just a loud crying demand of 'PANDER TO ME DAMMIT', and not them.'

White people are not violently opposed? What? Based on what?
Blaxploitation movies are old. Do they like prevent people from selling those on DVD?
Do they protest in front of Netflix for all the Indonesian content they spent money on?

You see that now after a decade of this nonsense.

 

[ChosenOne]

White people are not violently opposed? What? Based on what?
Blaxploitation movies are old. Do they like prevent people from selling those on DVD?
Do they protest in front of Netflix for all the Indonesian content they spent money on?

You see that now after a decade of this nonsense.

I should have said 'tearfully opposed', as they get up in arms and shake and cry about even speculation that a casting of a woman or PoC may be done. See the two example threads i point to above, and understand that is every bit the norm today.

Mere speculation that a fictional character may be played by an Asian (ZOMG pandering to the CHinese) or a PoC or a female, triggers waves of anger before anyone is even cast or a script is known.

 

[deviake]

Well, his argument obviously sucks.

Crazy Rich Asians: I didn't even realize this movie was considered "woke", who accused it of that? Does he name anyone? A campaign against it on that basis? A set of criteria for wokeism it has in common with other commonly derided films associated with that term used as an epithet? That movie was the commercial surprise of its year, and as I recall, the takeaway wasn't that it was woke, but rather that it demonstrated how there was a much larger appetite among Asian Americans for films about their subculture within the American fabric that Hollywood consistently ignores because Asians are that minority that inconveniently overperforms. For example, when the #Oscarsowhite trended, many pointed out that the most underrepresented minority group per capita in not only the acting awards, but in the crew awards, were Asian Americans, and yet the subsequent DEI noms that followed in the years after didn't address this at all.

Black Panther: Terrible example. This was an MCU film when MCU was at its peak. Every MCU film was doing huge business. As many of the anti-woke commentators pointed out in ensuing years, no, Black Panther 2 didn't do well, relatively speaking, and it's commonly accepted in the industry that the box office of sequels are referendums on how the public felt about the first film. BP2 only did $859m compared to $1.35bn for the first film. That's a massive dropoff in revenue, nearly 60% lower, and indicates the public responded negatively to the woke direction the BP subuniverse was taking.

Zootopia: Excuse me? It's really a stretch to call this an example of a #woke family film. Not at all how the public received it. Because she wants to be the first rabbit police officer? Certainly one can interpret the metaphor to positively reinforce the notion that women can also be effective police officers, but the metaphor is can be interpretly more broadly than that, while of course the character is also female, and when exactly was this a radically #woke progressivist value not accepted by the mainstream? In 1960? It was just a really good unexpected sleeper hit. Cop-buddy narrative pairing the cockeyed optimist-idealist with the streetsmart cynic. Tale as old as time. And corrupt government is a dime-a-dozen villain. Spare me the Capitalist-overlords are engineering the misbehavior of innocent black men (predators) out of their own financial interest, take. That's a deep cut. A better example of overtly #woke family films are the ones that champion gay characters as exposed to the child audience. Those have performed terribly.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: Again, what a dumb example. This is the third film in a trilogy. The box office take reflects how people felt about the first two. This IP was never associated with wokeism.

Hidden Figures: Yeah, sure, I guess. I mean, it's based on real people, things that really happened, but if you want to call this a woke success, I suppose it fits.

Wonder Woman: Sure. Did well. Good movie, too. Ironically, the true protagonist of the film was a white heterosexual male war veteran-- sort of undermines the #woke angle. But I'll allow it. So does he explain why Wonder Woman 1984 bombed?

Barbie: sure. The massive blockbuster hit nobody expected.


Is that all he has? Utterly pitiful in comparison to the arguments of those he's accusing of grifting.

He explains each example and for one even says, "this is why people will say it's not", if you're not gonna watch it I'm not gonna read your essay. I can add examples too, it's not hard. Woke is meaningless at this point cuz it means whatever meow. His point is that people ignore the successful "woke" stuff and only note the bad, which coincidentally is poorly written.

But what will happen is the goal posts will move. "Oh that's not woke because X", even if it has a diverse cast and political messaging.

Political messaging is all over and always has been.

Funnily, I've had conservative posters argue with me that it's not the messaging but how it's delivered... oh, so the movie or show has to be well written to be good and "woke" (whatever that means to whoever which he also covers in the video) doesn't matter, which is the fucking point of video?

Lulz.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So, metacritic is like what kind of voters?

Critics do the critics score, public do the public scores. It's kind of like rotten tomatoes and IMDB rolled into one.

 

[Eusung]

Critical Drinker is the most popular youtube critic currently. He even surpassed old timers like Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckmann in subs. Cry harder OP.

 

[deviake]

Funnily, the Birdman also makes the point that William riles people up with his culture war (my words) bullshit... this thread certainly isn't an indication of that. Lol

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Have you seen what happened to Star Wars? They are not just complaining, they stagnating and tanking projects.

Who is?

 

[Andy Capp]

Funnily, the Birdman also makes the point that William riles people up with his culture war (my words) bullshit... this thread certainly isn't an indication of that. Lol

I just skipped from the first page to the last page and can't imagine it got any better in between lol

I didn't watch the video but to me the complaints about these demographic changes are just as stupid as the laziness with which they're frequently attempted, but they clearly ought to be making the attempt and screw people who don't like it.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Critical Drinker is the most popular youtube critic currently. He even surpassed old timers like Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckmann in subs. Cry harder OP.

Being a cultural war grifter is easy money.

 

[deviake]

I just skipped from the first page to the last page and can't imagine it got any better in between lol

I didn't watch the video but to me the complaints about these demographic changes are just as stupid as the laziness with which they're frequently attempted, but they clearly ought to be making the attempt and screw people who don't like it.

It gets so much worse lol.

Yeah like, I've seen game developers and studios claim people didn't like their stuff cuz racism or whatever when really their product was poorly written/developed trash. I've seen corny race swaps. I don't think anyone denies those things but plenty of socially progressive and/or left wing stuff is very popular, it just has to be well made like anything else which is the point. A lotta companies are "woke" (or claim to be) and do great financially. That's basically the point, that the phrase go woke, go broke is inaccurate and that people like William stoke tension and division. Apparently that warrants 8700 pages of screeching lol

 

[Andy Capp]

Being a cultural war grifter is easy money.

It's a remarkable thing. They just bend over and spread their cheeks,

@Other consider this a prediction

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Who is?

The CHUDS!!!!!!!

Being a cultural war grifter is easy money.

It requires both luck and skill to make money on it.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It gets so much worse lol.

Yeah like, I've seen game developers and studios claim people didn't like their stuff cuz racism or whatever when really their product was poorly written/developed trash. I've seen corny race swaps. I don't think anyone denies those things but plenty of socially progressive and/or left wing stuff is very popular, it just has to be well made like anything else which is the point. A lotta companies are "woke" (or claim to be) and do great financially. That's basically the point, that the phrase go woke, go broke is inaccurate and that people like William stoke tension and division. Apparently that warrants 8700 pages of screeching lol

It more like go woke and stagnate, but we are accelerating to the broke phase.

 

[Hog-train]

The woke virus is currently infesting the Game of Thrones universe too sadly. One of the showrunners is a gay woman and they made the two Queens in House of Dragon have some kind of unrequited lesbian love story.

They literally made it lame and gay.