Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Libs are like the preachy Jehovah’s Witness, they simply haven’t realized it. In the end, it’s just a grift for big pharmaceutical industries and to think that some influencers are the main benefactors is laughable.

My speculations are far more sinister....

 

[Contempt]

Do they give wokeness the middle finger? To me a game giving wokeness the middle finger would have the player mowing down trannies or something.

Yes, they absolutely did. Black Myth is known to have been contacted by Sweet Baby to work with them to "modern audience'ify" the game to which they were told to go play hide and go fuck yourself by the devs.

Stellar blade went the absolute opposite route taken by the western studios of making the women uglier and manlier to not offend the trannies by putting a hot as fuck chick in it, play up how sexy she is and had zero identity politics in it.

Just last week the head of the studio that released Space Marine 2 went on a rant on a youtubers video about politics and lecturing in games and how they refused to do any of that BS.

Predictably, the woke gaming media has a bitch fit and constantly attacked all three games. This gives me even more reason to buy all three, still playing Space Marine, will buy Black Myth later. Stellar Blade was a great game.

Happy to support anyone telling the wokies to get fucked and releasing good games without any of the BS. Hopefully ubisoft goes bankrupt.

 

[PurpleStorm]

It's kinda dead. But that never stops people from beating a dead horse.

 

[Madmick]

- There's shit loads of "woke" movies that are successful but they're conveniently ignored by the anti-woke types. Even some that aren't considered good by most still made shit loads of money. I'm not giving specific examples that he uses in the video because it'd take too long. He cites a lot of data here.

I'm not giving some jackass wokeist views. You take the time to Cliffs the video, but you can't simply shortlist the successful woke movies?

If the person who made the video wanted to do an honest assessment, wouldn't he list all the movies that he deems "woke", all the movies criticized by those he accusing of grifting as woke, and compare the overall performance of these movies? Then compare that performance to what would be the expected norm for a pool of movies from the major twelve studios with similar budgets-- especially marketing budgets.

Did he do that? I'm going to venture a guess in the dark he didn't do that.

 

[Contempt]

I'm not giving some jackass wokeist views. You take the time to Cliffs the video, but you can't simply shortlist the successful woke movies?

If the person who made the video wanted to do an honest assessment, wouldn't he list all the movies that he deems "woke", all the movies criticized by those he accusing of grifting as woke, and compare the overall performance of these movies? Then compare that performance to what would be the expected norm for a pool of movies from the major twelve studios with similar budgets-- especially marketing budgets.

Did he do that? I'm going to venture a guess in the dark he didn't do that.

Here's the point though, even if he could find exceptions, it doesn't matter when most of their movies are failing and the disney share price has literally dropped in HALF since the jumped into the woke, culture war shit.

They are finally releasing movies without that crap in it and they are financially successful again e.g DP and Wolverine and that new animated flick. Notice the New captain America movie keeps being delayed with multiple reshoots? They're probably desperately removing all that horseshit so they don't hemorrhage money on this one too.

 

[Madmick]

Here's the point though, even if he could find exceptions, it doesn't matter when most of their movies are failing and the disney share price has literally dropped in HALF since the jumped into the woke, culture war shit.

They are finally releasing movies without that crap in it and they are financially successful again e.g DP and Wolverine and that new animated flick. Notice the New captain America movie keeps being delayed with multiple reshoots? They're probably desperately removing all that horseshit so they don't hemorrhage money on this one too.

Oh, was he specifically defending Disney? If one focuses on a single studio, yeah, that makes it easy, just look at how their entertainment projects are performing.

Disney has eaten shit with the woke nonsense. Marvel, in particular, was the golden goose that couldn't lay a bad egg. Then they tried to go woke with it. It's been awful ever since. The public is starting to view it the way they look at the DCU.

 

[chardog]

Do they give wokeness the middle finger? To me a game giving wokeness the middle finger would have the player mowing down trannies or something.

Or making good products without second rate opinions?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yes, they absolutely did. Black Myth is known to have been contacted by Sweet Baby to work with them to "modern audience'ify" the game to which they were told to go play hide and go fuck yourself by the devs.

Stellar blade went the absolute opposite route taken by the western studios of making the women uglier and manlier to not offend the trannies by putting a hot as fuck chick in it, play up how sexy she is and had zero identity politics in it.

Just last week the head of the studio that released Space Marine 2 went on a rant on a youtubers video about politics and lecturing in games and how they refused to do any of that BS.

Predictably, the woke gaming media has a bitch fit and constantly attacked all three games. This gives me even more reason to buy all three, still playing Space Marine, will buy Black Myth later. Stellar Blade was a great game.

Happy to support anyone telling the wokies to get fucked and releasing good games without any of the BS. Hopefully ubisoft goes bankrupt.

I don't think saying "Do you want our services?" "No thanks" really qualifies as sticking a middle finger up to woke.

A true anti woke game would be something like Duke Nukem, which none of these companies are making.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Let me summarize all the mayberry woke media threads for you.

A) most people don't give a shit

B) most of the offended people are offended by bad writing (the Acolyte team trying to blame their failure on racism is some next level shit)

C) even with the most bigoted dudes, half of them will shut up about a gay plotline involving hot women being gay with each other

D) Elon himself proved "WENT RED, ADVERTISERS FLED" when he took over twitter with Russian oligarch backers and ran it into a ditch faster than a malfunctioning cybertruck

Look at this thread though and you can see Sherdog clearly has a lot of posters who are obcessed with "cultural war" and "anti woke" ideas, its the main form their political engagement takes.

Personally I take the view that this is an outgrowth of wider politics were the partisan divide which is pushed is mostly about distraction, looks to use some very real issues which do matter but in a superficial fashion much of the time, basically looking to build false conflict between two political choices which are actually very close to one another.

As far as the Creator goes my feeling is that whilst no it wasnt THAT amazing a film having characters which were a bit generic if anything it was hurt by its politics not aligning with "establishment woke" and especially its time of release literally a week before the Hamas terror attacks on Oct 7th. Its a film with a reasonably diverse cast its true but as the video in the OP mentions its actually a film which is much more a throwback to Vietnam inspired anti establishment cinema of the 70's and 80.s, The US army inspired by misplaced racism are clearly the villians in a fashion which is so rarely the case in US blockbusters of the last 30 years.

Those are NOT politics that the liberial establishment likes to push, tokenism has become their(and often even the republicans) key focus from Obama onwards as it allows them to push more right wign establishment friendly politics more easily to a progressive voter base. Most espeically after the oct 7th attacks Edwards film about oppressed freedom fighters battling the US was a very unpopular sentiment in the political/media establishment as a whole.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Or making good products without second rate opinions?

That's just making a game lol, it's not specifically being anti-woke.

 

[deviake]

I'm not giving some jackass wokeist views. You take the time to Cliffs the video, but you can't simply shortlist the successful woke movies?

If the person who made the video wanted to do an honest assessment, wouldn't he list all the movies that he deems "woke", all the movies criticized by those he accusing of grifting as woke, and compare the overall performance of these movies? Then compare that performance to what would be the expected norm for a pool of movies from the major twelve studios with similar budgets-- especially marketing budgets.

Did he do that? I'm going to venture a guess in the dark he didn't do that.

He's not woke - whatever that means - you've never seen anything from him.

He listed some companies and movies and with the movies he showed how much they costed to make vs how much they made.

In short,

Nike (not a movie but him clowning on I forget which YouTuber for going in on Kapernick. Nike sales went up after that campaign)
He mentions companies like Apple and Netflix ("progressive" companies) - IRT "Get Woke, Go Broke"

Movies:

Crazy Rich Asians
Get Out
Zootopia
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
Hidden Figures
Barbie
Wonder Woman
Black Panther 1 & 2

He explains why they are/should be considered "woke" (i.e., socially progressive) and asserts that it's not that "woke" movies never fail, he takes issue with the idea that they fail specifically because they're "woke" which is objectively untrue considering how many socially progressive, i.e., "woke" movies and companies are very successful, therefore, "go woke, go broke" is bullshit.

If you've questions beyond that then watch the video. I watch a lotta stuff on 2x, I suggest that

Oh, was he specifically defending Disney?

No

 

[KnightTemplar]

He lays out in detail how many "woke" movies are highly successful and why and as well as the ones that aren't and how the "anti woke" reviewers are disingenuous in their critiques, such as The Critical Drinker.



Cliffs:

- Reviewers like The Critical Drinker couch valid criticism in culture war, anti-woke bullshit, basically a lot of baiting and riling up their audience. The Critical Drinker in particular he cites several example of and breaks down where he's saying valid things and where he's misconstruing things. He also shows a lot of comments echoing him and spreading divisive rhetoric

- There's shit loads of "woke" movies that are successful but they're conveniently ignored by the anti-woke types. Even some that aren't considered good by most still made shit loads of money. I'm not giving specific examples that he uses in the video because it'd take too long. He cites a lot of data here.

- Yasuke, the black samurai in the new Assassin's Creed was a real person and there's even a painting from the (edit) 1600s that's thought to depict him, and Japanese games have already had him as a character so putting him in a video game isn't even new. He has a lengthy section on this

- He mentions specific examples like the live action Mulan that's been called woke when some of the things she does, she does in the original movie AND there's all sorts of fantastic power in it anyway

- He cites many specific examples, breaks down "woke", and breaks down the meaning of, "go woke, go broke"



My cliffs can't really do it justice. Great watch IMO.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Oh, was he specifically defending Disney? If one focuses on a single studio, yeah, that makes it easy, just look at how their entertainment projects are performing.

Disney has eaten shit with the woke nonsense. Marvel, in particular, was the golden goose that couldn't lay a bad egg. Then they tried to go woke with it. It's been awful ever since. The public is starting to view it the way they look at the DCU.

If anything, DC are slowly starting to claw back ground on Marvel. Agatha All Along is getting burned at the stake - sorry, I couldn't resist - while The Penguin is getting rave reviews.

 

[Madmick]

He's not woke - whatever that means - you've never seen anything from him.

He listed some companies and movies and with the movies he showed how much they costed to make vs how much they made.

In short,

Nike (not a movie but him clowning on I forget which YouTuber for going in on Kapernick. Nike sales went up after that campaign)
He mentions companies like Apple and Netflix ("progressive" companies) - IRT "Get Woke, Go Broke"

Movies:

Crazy Rich Asians
Get Out
Zootopia
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
Hidden Figures
Barbie
Wonder Woman
Black Panther 1 & 2

He explains why they are/should be considered "woke" (i.e., socially progressive) and asserts that it's not that "woke" movies never fail, he takes issue with the idea that they fail specifically because they're "woke" which is objectively untrue considering how many socially progressive, i.e., "woke" movies and companies are very successful, therefore, "go woke, go broke" is bullshit.

If you've questions beyond that then watch the video. I watch a lotta stuff on 2x, I suggest that


No

Well, his argument obviously sucks.

Crazy Rich Asians: I didn't even realize this movie was considered "woke", who accused it of that? Does he name anyone? A campaign against it on that basis? A set of criteria for wokeism it has in common with other commonly derided films associated with that term used as an epithet? That movie was the commercial surprise of its year, and as I recall, the takeaway wasn't that it was woke, but rather that it demonstrated how there was a much larger appetite among Asian Americans for films about their subculture within the American fabric that Hollywood consistently ignores because Asians are that minority that inconveniently overperforms. For example, when the #Oscarsowhite trended, many pointed out that the most underrepresented minority group per capita in not only the acting awards, but in the crew awards, were Asian Americans, and yet the subsequent DEI noms that followed in the years after didn't address this at all.

Black Panther: Terrible example. This was an MCU film when MCU was at its peak. Every MCU film was doing huge business. As many of the anti-woke commentators pointed out in ensuing years, no, Black Panther 2 didn't do well, relatively speaking, and it's commonly accepted in the industry that the box office of sequels are referendums on how the public felt about the first film. BP2 only did $859m compared to $1.35bn for the first film. That's a massive dropoff in revenue, nearly 60% lower, and indicates the public responded negatively to the woke direction the BP subuniverse was taking.

Zootopia: Excuse me? It's really a stretch to call this an example of a #woke family film. Not at all how the public received it. Because she wants to be the first rabbit police officer? Certainly one can interpret the metaphor to positively reinforce the notion that women can also be effective police officers, but the metaphor can be interpretly more broadly than that, while of course the character is also female, and when exactly was this a radically #woke progressivist value not accepted by the mainstream? In 1960? It was just a really good unexpected sleeper hit. Cop-buddy narrative pairing the cockeyed optimist-idealist with the streetsmart cynic. Tale as old as time. And corrupt government is a dime-a-dozen villain. Spare me the Capitalist-overlords are engineering the misbehavior of innocent black men (predators) out of their own financial interest, take. That's a deep cut. A better example of overtly #woke family films are the ones that champion gay characters as exposed to the child audience. Those have performed terribly.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: Again, what a dumb example. This is the third film in a trilogy. The box office take reflects how people felt about the first two. This IP was never associated with wokeism.

Hidden Figures: Yeah, sure, I guess. I mean, it's based on real people, things that really happened, but if you want to call this a woke success, I suppose it fits.

Wonder Woman: Sure. Did well. Good movie, too. Ironically, the true protagonist of the film was a white heterosexual male war veteran-- sort of undermines the #woke angle. But I'll allow it. So does he explain why Wonder Woman 1984 bombed?

Barbie: sure. The massive blockbuster hit nobody expected.


Is that all he has? Utterly pitiful in comparison to the arguments of those he's accusing of grifting.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Hollywood (Media) has ALWAYS been woke, and that is undeniable fact.

And they should be, as 'woke' just means 'recognizing the face of your buying audience (as it changes) and adding in material that caters to them'.

People complain about terrible writing in a lot of 'woke' content as if there is not terrible writing in the prior 'woke' content.

The largest benefactor of 'woke' writing for ~100 years of content were white males. Every geeky guy got a hot wife or GF. Every normal guy could beat up an army or aliens. All just woke pandering, and OK to do. Know what your audience wants and feed them that.

The only issue comes in is when the group that was pandered to for over 100 years cries about a new group be pandered to because suddenly they can see it, when they could not, when it was directed at them. So suddenly a 'woman beating up guys, in an action movie is too much and too woke and unbelievable... so give me back Cruise and Damon beating up armies of big buff dudes because that is so believable'.

Well TBF i don t cry about it. I just tune off.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It's kinda dead. But that never stops people from beating a dead horse.

Is it a dead horse? If John Milius's daughter had a game coming out right now and it did well would the media just shrug or try to make her life hell?

This islike saying in 43 ww2 is over. Did any companies star we treat Republicans the same campaings? How long has been since most CEOs pushing this at big gaming corps were fired? You do know Wukong comes out of China? A literal communist company took advantage of the insanity of the US cultural atmosphere.

How many big gaming company CEOs loudly and proudly say they won't vote for Kamala?

He's not woke - whatever that means - you've never seen anything from him.

He listed some companies and movies and with the movies he showed how much they costed to make vs how much they made.

In short,

Nike (not a movie but him clowning on I forget which YouTuber for going in on Kapernick. Nike sales went up after that campaign)
He mentions companies like Apple and Netflix ("progressive" companies) - IRT "Get Woke, Go Broke"

Nike just put out a huge ad walking the Kaep stuff back and was criticized for it by the progs.

Nflix is not that progressive even if they messed up some IP. They recently told to the Avatar actor to shut it about his politics and told the Brazilian left to pound sand over El Mechanismo. Nflix is a bit mot more complicated than clear progressive winfest if you pay attention.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Well, his argument obviously sucks.

Crazy Rich Asians: I didn't even realize this movie was considered "woke", who accused it of that? Does he name anyone? A campaign against it on that basis? A set of criteria for wokeism it has in common with other commonly derided films associated with that term used as an epithet? That movie was the commercial surprise of its year, and as I recall, the takeaway wasn't that it was woke, but rather that it demonstrated how there was a much larger appetite among Asian Americans for films about their subculture within the American fabric that Hollywood consistently ignores because Asians are that minority that inconveniently overperforms. For example, when the #Oscarsowhite trended, many pointed out that the most underrepresented minority group per capita in not only the acting awards, but in the crew awards, were Asian Americans, and yet the subsequent DEI noms that followed in the years after didn't address this at all.

Black Panther: Terrible example. This was an MCU film when MCU was at its peak. Every MCU film was doing huge business. As many of the anti-woke commentators pointed out in ensuing years, no, Black Panther 2 didn't do well, relatively speaking, and it's commonly accepted in the industry that the box office of sequels are referendums on how the public felt about the first film. BP2 only did $859m compared to $1.35bn for the first film. That's a massive dropoff in revenue, nearly 60% lower, and indicates the public responded negatively to the woke direction the BP subuniverse was taking.

Zootopia: Excuse me? It's really a stretch to call this an example of a #woke family film. Not at all how the public received it. Because she wants to be the first rabbit police officer? Certainly one can interpret the metaphor to positively reinforce the notion that women can also be effective police officers, but the metaphor is can be interpretly more broadly than that, while of course the character is also female, and when exactly was this a radically #woke progressivist value not accepted by the mainstream? In 1960? It was just a really good unexpected sleeper hit. Cop-buddy narrative pairing the cockeyed optimist-idealist with the streetsmart cynic. Tale as old as time. And corrupt government is a dime-a-dozen villain. Spare me the Capitalist-overlords are engineering the misbehavior of innocent black men (predators) out of their own financial interest, take. That's a deep cut. A better example of overtly #woke family films are the ones that champion gay characters as exposed to the child audience. Those have performed terribly.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: Again, what a dumb example. This is the third film in a trilogy. The box office take reflects how people felt about the first two. This IP was never associated with wokeism.

Hidden Figures: Yeah, sure, I guess. I mean, it's based on real people, things that really happened, but if you want to call this a woke success, I suppose it fits.

Wonder Woman: Sure. Did well. Good movie, too. Ironically, the true protagonist of the film was a white heterosexual male war veteran-- sort of undermines the #woke angle. But I'll allow it. So does he explain why Wonder Woman 1984 bombed?

Barbie: sure. The massive blockbuster hit nobody expected.


Is that all he has? Utterly pitiful in comparison to the arguments of those he's accusing of grifting.

I never understood why Black Panther was called Woke? I thought it was a thoroughly decent film by those film's standards (not a big comic movie fan).

 

[Madmick]

I never understood why Black Panther was called Woke? I thought it was a thoroughly decent film by those film's standards (not a big comic movie fan).

It doesn't exactly fit, either, at least not the first one, I didn't watch the second one, because the whole point of the movie is affirming the character's right to the throne by virtue of how his values contrast with his more radical, anti-white, afrosupremacist Farrakhan-esque foil.

But I don't see the point is expending too much energy on disputing it because of the concept of Wakanda itself. Tough to argue that isn't #woke.

 

[Satur9]

Well TBF i don t cry about it. I just tune off.

Easy problems require easy solutions. As the Simpson's once famously said; Just don't look.

 

[Madmick]

Nike just put out a huge ad walking the Kaep stuff back and was criticized for it by the progs.

Link? I didn't hear or see anything about this.