Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[IDGETKTFO]

All this Selena Gomez illegal alien gang sympathizer talk, i came across this movie she was apparently in where its about a transitioning transgender drug gang leader, lol. I swear, you can't make this shit up.

 

[avenue94]

1- I would agree with you if we talked about art.

Is a video game not art?

2- Da Vinci didn't hire grifters companies to make his art "right".

He literally took commissions and employed more than one assistant. His art wasn't something that occurred in a vacuum, he took cues from politics, cultures, and his financial backers. Ya know...like almost every other artist or artistic endeavor in history.

 

[koquerelle]

Is a video game not art?

He literally took commissions and employed more than one assistant. His art wasn't something that occurred in a vacuum, he took cues from politics, cultures, and his financial backers. Ya know...like almost every other artist or artistic endeavor in history.

Is a video game not art?: Some of it is. AC is a product with art elements. We should never confuse the 2.

He literally took commissions and employed more than one assistant. His art wasn't something that occurred in a vacuum, he took cues from politics, cultures, and his financial backers.: Thanks for proving my point. The AC fanboys are the people who are commissioning the work.

Ya know...like almost every other artist or artistic endeavor in history.: legit lol. What?!? Many great artists died poor because they didn't care about any of that.

 

[avenue94]

Is a video game not art?: Some of it is. AC is a product with art elements. We should never confuse the 2.

Whats the difference between the two?

He literally took commissions and employed more than one assistant. His art wasn't something that occurred in a vacuum, he took cues from politics, cultures, and his financial backers.: Thanks for proving my point. The AC fanboys are the people who are commissioning the work.

The publisher is paying for the game in the hopes making a return on the investment from the paying public. No different than an artist being paid by a church to provide art that gets the paying public in.

The public is not who commissions a game, therefore they aren't the ones who call the shots during development.

Ya know...like almost every other artist or artistic endeavor in history.: legit lol. What?!? Many great artists died poor because they didn't care about any of that

Plenty of artists die poor but most still search for sponsors.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Ya know...like almost every other artist or artistic endeavor in history.: legit lol. What?!? Many great artists died poor because they didn't care about any of that.

Starting with impressionist movements where patrons and exhibits won't even display their art.

 

[SuperAlly]

And they'll either get hired elsewhere or change industries. That's any job. The world moves on. "Woke" stuff isn't even in the top list of problems for the games industry.

You're another political zealot so wedded and emotionally attached to your world view and unable to accept it being rejected by the majority that you argue ridiculous things.

I'll break it down step by step for you:

1. TS made a ridiculous assertion "go woke, go broke" isn't a thing.

2. "Go woke, go broke" is a glib way of saying their will be financial repercussions if you prioritise identity politics bs over making quality entertainment.

3. They made a woke trash game prioritising identity politics over quality entertainment.

4. It lost their company loads of money and the company had to have enormous lay offs.

Saying they'll get a job elsewhere is not a refutation of go woke, go broke.

Which is the entire point of the thread.

A couple of you guys just need to accept people don't want woke shite prioritised over quality entertainment and not see it as a personal attack of your identity.

 

[SuperAlly]

1- I would agree with you if we talked about art.

2- Da Vinci didn't hire grifters companies to make his art "right".

The entire analogy is so ridiculous that it is embarrassing he made it.

 

[SuperAlly]

The publisher is paying for the game in the hopes making a return on the investment from the paying public.

And now, having eventually got here, can you see the cognitive dissonance in your last couple of posts on this specific line of thought you introduced.

This really is hilarious.

 

[Lycandroid]

You're another political zealot so wedded and emotionally attached to your world view and unable to accept it being rejected by the majority that you argue ridiculous things.

I'll break it down step by step for you:

1. TS made a ridiculous assertion "go woke, go broke" isn't a thing.

2. "Go woke, go broke" is a glib way of saying their will be financial repercussions if you prioritise identity politics bs over making quality entertainment.

3. They made a woke trash game prioritising identity politics over quality entertainment.

4. It lost their company loads of money and the company had to have enormous lay offs.

Saying they'll get a job elsewhere is not a refutation of go woke, go broke.

Which is the entire point of the thread.

A couple of you guys just need to accept people don't want woke shite prioritised over quality entertainment and not see it as a personal attack of your identity.

naw if their balls haven't dropped by now they never will

 

[avenue94]

You're another political zealot so wedded and emotionally attached to your world view and unable to accept it being rejected by the majority that you argue ridiculous things.

I'll break it down step by step for you:

1. TS made a ridiculous assertion "go woke, go broke" isn't a thing.

2. "Go woke, go broke" is a glib way of saying their will be financial repercussions if you prioritise identity politics bs over making quality entertainment.

3. They made a woke trash game prioritising identity politics over quality entertainment.

4. It lost their company loads of money and the company had to have enormous lay offs.

Saying they'll get a job elsewhere is not a refutation of go woke, go broke.

Which is the entire point of the thread.

A couple of you guys just need to accept people don't want woke shite prioritised over quality entertainment and not see it as a personal attack of your identity.

My guy, I didn't post in this thread originally, I posted in another thread that got merged in here. Having said that, most whining about woke games is just whining for the sake of whining at this point from entitled dweebs. Most of the problems in the industry are related to creative stagnation, poor management, and AAA games being too expensive to develop in a timeline that publishers expect.

So again, feel free to tell me why Ubisoft has been struggling, because it sure ain't wokeness (I'm guessing you can't even define woke lol)

And now, having eventually got here, can you see the cognitive dissonance in your last couple of posts on this specific line of thought you introduced.

This really is hilarious.

If my cognitive dissonance I understand who pays for the development of a game, sure. It ain't gamers in most cases.

 

[SuperAlly]

My guy, I didn't post in this thread originally, I posted in another thread that got merged in here. Having said that, most whining about woke games is just whining for the sake of whining at this point from entitled dweebs. Most of the problems in the industry are related to creative stagnation, poor management, and AAA games being too expensive to develop in a timeline that publishers expect.

So again, feel free to tell me why Ubisoft has been struggling, because it sure ain't wokeness (I'm guessing you can't even define woke lol)

If my cognitive dissonance I understand who pays for the development of a game, sure. It ain't gamers in most cases.

Regards your middle paragraph, you can deny reality that woke projects are costing entertainment companies money but that doesn't make it so.

If for example, Veilguard isn't a problem as a woke financial failure, why it specifically the people working on those projects who have been let go.

People can keep telling the rest of the world black is white, down is up, but the rest of us don't have to engage in that delusion.

There are too many examples now that prioritising woke agendas over just making good entertainment is a failed strategy.

A few people who are completely warped by their political ideology can keep pretending it isn't so. And evidently will.

 

[avenue94]

Regards your middle paragraph, you can deny reality that woke projects are costing entertainment companies money but that doesn't make it so.

If for example, Veilguard isn't a problem as a woke financial failure, why it specifically the people working on those projects who have been let go.

People can keep telling the rest of the world black is white, down is up, but the rest of us don't have to engage in that delusion.

There are too many examples now that prioritising woke agendas over just making good entertainment is a failed strategy.

A few people who are completely warped by their political ideology can keep pretending it isn't so. And evidently will.

What percentage of Ubisoft underperformances or failures in the last decade were "woke"? And I love how you're claiming that Ubisoft is woke despite one of their problems has been an inability to retain staff due to toxic management.

 

[UberHere]

All this Selena Gomez illegal alien gang sympathizer talk, i came across this movie she was apparently in where its about a transitioning transgender drug gang leader, lol. I swear, you can't make this shit up.

Sounds like hot garbage

 

[UberHere]

You're another political zealot so wedded and emotionally attached to your world view and unable to accept it being rejected by the majority that you argue ridiculous things.

I'll break it down step by step for you:

1. TS made a ridiculous assertion "go woke, go broke" isn't a thing.

2. "Go woke, go broke" is a glib way of saying their will be financial repercussions if you prioritise identity politics bs over making quality entertainment.

3. They made a woke trash game prioritising identity politics over quality entertainment.

4. It lost their company loads of money and the company had to have enormous lay offs.

Saying they'll get a job elsewhere is not a refutation of go woke, go broke.

Which is the entire point of the thread.

A couple of you guys just need to accept people don't want woke shite prioritised over quality entertainment and not see it as a personal attack of your identity.

It’s religiosity for people who don’t have meaningful lives. A lot of them by admission from their post histories are dependent on drugs and aren’t married. Losers looking for religion.

The most basic of human beings who in their deluded thoughts think they’ve transcended all that.

 

[SuperAlly]

That's it buddy, just keep fighting reality and pretending making woke crap doesn't harm the bottom line.

Non woke products being crap is not a refutation of go woke, go broke. "Other things are also sometimes crap, so just ignore these crap woke things".

This to the death defence of woke shit is getting embarrassing buddy. Why does it hurt you so deeply inside to just admit what 95% of people can see.

What percentage of Ubisoft underperformances or failures in the last decade were "
woke"?

Who cares.
Irrelevant
Veilguard tanked the share price 17% on release of terrible sales numbers.
"Ohh look at the shiny shiny" doesn't change that.
Again. Irrelevant.

And I love how you're claiming that Ubisoft is woke despite one of their problems has been an inability to retain staff due to toxic management.

Never claimed this.
Yes. They have made woke games. They recently laid off all the people involved in a major woke project that was the very definition of "go woke, go broke".

Lol at you bringing up all these unrelated things to the fact that "go woke, go broke" is very clearly a thing whereby making shit woke products where good quality is a distant 2nd (if at all) to spreading political agendas leads to crap financial returns.

This desperate and failing defence you are running is quite sad.

 

[SuperAlly]

What percentage of Ubisoft underperformances or failures in the last decade were "woke"? And I love how you're claiming that Ubisoft is woke despite one of their problems has been an inability to retain staff due to toxic management.

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Dragonage the veilguard dropped the companies stock price 20%.

Living embodiment of go woke, go broke.

The fact other crap products can also drop a stock price in the past is not refutation of go woke, go broke and I am beginning to think you are borderline retarded for constantly making these logically invalid arguments.

"Andy Wang is shit at fighting"

"No he isn't because CM Punk is shit at fighting"

Ummm.... right....

 

[avenue94]

Who cares.
Irrelevant
Veilguard tanked the share price 17% on release of terrible sales numbers.
"Ohh look at the shiny shiny" doesn't change that.
Again. Irrelevant.

Veilguard wasn't what tanked shares, it was EA FC massively missing forecasts in both purchases and recurring revenue. EA FC was supposed to account for about quarter of EA revenue. For someone concerned bout video games you seem to have no understanding of how the finances of that industry work.

Yes. They have made woke games. They recently laid off all the people involved in a major woke project that was the very definition of "go woke, go broke".

What woke games have they made? Also just define woke already, you keep mentioning it but clearly have no idea what you even mean by the term.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

What woke games have they made? Also just define woke already, you keep mentioning it but clearly have no idea what you even mean by the term.

Dragon Age series creator David Gaider has recently opted to respond to some of these complaints by remarking how "the usual suspects are upset at how 'woke' the new Dragon Age is, an apparently sudden and unexpected development in the series." Following up on that train of thought, the industry veteran called the people who spread this sentiment "f*****g tourists" in a recent Bluesky post. The label was meant to imply that these critics are falsely presenting themselves as Dragon Age fans, who would know that the series could have been categorized as "woke" from its very first entry, which hit the market back in 2009.

I clearly remember not installing DA Inquisition back in early 2015. I don't think woke was even a term yet. I just knew it's gay af.

 

[deviake]

It’s annoying to see diversity pushed for the sake of diversity.

They make a Japanese assassins creed game and it’s somehow a coincidence that they choose the one black guy in Japanese history to be the main character? Really?

I don’t watch any of the anti woke people though I’m sure they’re annoying also from what I have seen

Diversity has been purposely done for decades.

Yasuke has been in other Japanese games before Assassin's Creed.

 

[HereticBD]

Diversity has been purposely done for decades.

But not in the ham-fisted way it has been in the last little while. This is the problem with "woke". Progressives in the past just pushed ideas that didn't denigrate others at the same time. It was just natural, and the writing would reflect that. "Woke" is militant in it's approach, and openly declares disdain for people that don't fit into their bubble.

Progressives of the past would open people's eyes, and tackled subjects intelligently. Progressives of today close them, and tackle subjects ignorantly. "Woke" is just open racism/sexism coming from a minority of people. That's where they fucked up. The whole "Let's all get along and be open to new ideas from all walks of life" message doesn't land when they insulate themselves, and prop themselves up as being "superior" to what they deem "others".

It's just bigotry with a smiley face sticker on it. It's no wonder why it eventually imploded.