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Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

Its a thread of people echoing a sentiment held by people in Florida

Who defines it then?
Ron Desantis?
Ben Shapiro?
Ted Cruz?
Trump?
Bryce Mitcel?

Can you define it ?

I dont see a conclusive definition anywhere yet alone in this thread.
You got your arse torn to shreds on this very topic earlier in this thread

But you are taking the Henry flower and deviante approach of coming back weeks or months later and hoping everyone forgot or just flat out lying about what went down
 
Its a thread of people echoing a sentiment held by people in Florida

Who defines it then?
Ron Desantis?
Ben Shapiro?
Ted Cruz?
Trump?
Bryce Mitcel?

Can you define it ?

I dont see a conclusive definition anywhere yet alone in this thread.
The term "woke" is is next level political correctness, cancel culture, or hyper-sensitive activism that reeks of hypocrisy or showy virtue-signaling. When companies or institutions overcorrect on issues like race, pushing forced diversity campaigns or heavy-handed policies, it can blow up in their faces, breaking trust, alienating people, and causing more harm than good by focusing on appearances rather than real solutions. At one time it meant your awareness was heighten, but now its overkill.
 
The term "woke" is is next level political correctness, cancel culture, or hyper-sensitive activism that reeks of hypocrisy or showy virtue-signaling. When companies or institutions overcorrect on issues like race, pushing forced diversity campaigns or heavy-handed policies, it can blow up in their faces, breaking trust, alienating people, and causing more harm than good by focusing on appearances rather than real solutions. At one time it meant your awareness was heighten, but now its overkill.
He was given good explanations and definition by, I believe, a mod in this thread before.

He just waited long enough that he hopes people forgot so he can try and reassert the same already previously defeated argument
 
The term "woke" is is next level political correctness, cancel culture, or hyper-sensitive activism that reeks of hypocrisy or showy virtue-signaling. When companies or institutions overcorrect on issues like race, pushing forced diversity campaigns or heavy-handed policies, it can blow up in their faces, breaking trust, alienating people, and causing more harm than good by focusing on appearances rather than real solutions. At one time it meant your awareness was heighten, but now its overkill.
Seriously thanks for trying to explain your take on this.

Its a very detailed, multi-faceted definition that no one here has attempted to define-


So how do you determine forced diversity? and I gather thats diversity relates primarily to skin pigment and means casting of non-white people?

What criteria makes films like Barbie ,Captain Marvel , and the Little Mermaid woke?

Does a movie like Enter The Spiderverse or Black Panther meet this same criteria of wokeness?



What are examples of films that have made you personally feel alienated because of a diverse casting and why did you feel, alienated?
 
This is what I mean by its complicated. Its easy to think that because Copernicus believed the planets revolved around the sun, that his theory should have just been accepted. But thats not how it works, especially in science. Copernicus was right that the planets revolved around the sun, but his theory as a whole had issues. It wasnt much more predictably accurate than the current model of the time, and there were issues he couldnt explain. There wasnt enough evidence that the Earth was actually in motion, and it wouldnt be until a hundred of years later that Keppler would figure out the orbits being elliptical as opposed to circular, which solved several of the inconsistencies in both Coppernicus' and Galileos theory.

As for Galileo, it was a lot of the same issues. He was right that the planets revolved around the sun, but his theory as a whole was wrong (that the Sun was the center of the universe). Galileo was also punished but not because of his theory, but because he church said he couldnt go around telling people this until he could prove it, but he didnt listen and would say the sun was the center of the universe and he'd insult the pope and the church, which was basically playing with fire at that time. So his punishment was for his actions, not for his theory. Cardinal Robert Bellarmine was a guy who literally burned people at the stake for heresy, so he took shit pretty seriously, and he was the guy overseeing the whole Galileo situation. The official position of the church was that heliocentrism contradicted scripture, and it wouldn't be accepted without overwhelming proof but, and this is very important, the position was that if such proof could be scientifically proven then scripture would have to be re-interpreted. This is an extremely important point thats mostly unknown aboutn the whole Galileo situation. The official position of the church was "If you prove it, then we re-interpret scripture", which means that what they could prove scientifically took precedent over biblical interpretations. This is the exact opposite position of being anti-science. Both Galileo and Copernicus were right that the Earth was not the center of the universe, but this was not the extent of their theories, and not everything they believed was correct or scientifically verifiable as they had several discrepancies they couldnt account for.

You're thinking that because they were right about planets orbiting the sun, and were proven right over history, that it was somehow anti-science not to accept their theories immediately. But that doesnt account for the entire story. For a contemporary example, look at the big bang. Its not like it was just readily accepted and the entire scientific community changed their way of thinking about the universe overnight. It took decades for it to be accepted, and evidence had to mount over time. Einstein himself wouldnt accept the big bang theory for most of his life, but that doesnt make him anti-science, does it?



You make bold claims that I dont think you support very well. You already pointed to the Joe Rogan thread and said people were arguing that the big bang didnt happen because Jesus invented the universe, which isnt true at all and its emblematic of what Im saying.

You can find all sorts of examples of people saying all sorts of things, but this isnt an argument that historically any single religion has been anti-science as a whole. Like Ive already said, the church has been instrumental in establishing universities, shaping modern academia and the scientific pursuits. Nothing Rampage says is going to change that.
It seems like you are for some reason trying to downplay the accuracy of Copernicus and Gallileos theories of the time, which has nothing to do with the subject of the antithetical
nature of religion/mythology vs science. Im not even speaking on the veracity of their specific discoveries, I spoke specifically on the churches antogonistic response to them.


I dont think I suggested religion organizations themselves are explicitly anti-science, but religion is anti-thetical to science.


To clarify, when saying the church, the christian mythology itself has over 45,000 denominations, so we're not speaking on some singular entity.


To be ever more specific, its the followers of the religion that can lean towards anti-science due to their superstitious beliefs.

You may want to dismiss the religious beliefs of Rampage, Bryce Mitchell, Rogan but they are clear examples of how superstitious religious beliefs stand polar to science, even in the modern information age.
 
There wasn't widespread criticism of any of these movies being woke except the Last Jedi - which was horrible and I'd say woke.



A woke movie is easy to describe. Essentially it is a movie that is trying to push a political message which often results in poor storytelling and plot or casting an actor just due to their identity as opposed to their ability or how they fit the story.

These political messages often include issues like racial and gender equality, LGBTQ+ rights, and girlpower feminism. They're usually seen as heavy-handed or pandering by most viewers and just make the movies suck.
Weak game ermac

Like page 106 you already had this shit explained to you.

Embarrassing levels of deceitful debate.

It’s been explained and defined multiple times during this thread. Come back in another 10 or 15 pages and try and pretend it hasn’t to rehash the same lame argument to try and deflect from the fact that massively popular IPs have shit the bed by going woke.

Embarrassing for you, truly.
 
It seems like you are for some reason trying to downplay the accuracy of Copernicus and Gallileos theories of the time, which has nothing to do with the subject of the antithetical
nature of religion/mythology vs science. Im not even speaking on the veracity of their specific discoveries, I spoke specifically on the churches antogonistic response to them.

Instead of saying stuff like "it seems like", why dont you tell me what I'm saying thats wrong. I haven't downplayed anything, everything Ive presented is historically accurate.
I dont think I suggested religion organizations themselves are explicitly anti-science, but religion is anti-thetical to science.
Like I said, I dont agree. I feel like the examples I've given on how the church was instrumental in founding universities and shaping modern academia is a pretty decent point of how religion can be instrumental to scientific advancement.
To clarify, when saying the church, the christian mythology itself has over 45,000 denominations, so we're not speaking on some singular entity.
Yeah, that was my point. Describing and using religion as a monolith isnt the best way to make an argument because its so inaccurate by default.
To be ever more specific, its the followers of the religion that can lean towards anti-science due to their superstitious beliefs.

You may want to dismiss the religious beliefs of Rampage, Bryce Mitchell, Rogan but they are clear examples of how superstitious religious beliefs stand polar to science, even in the modern information age.
I dont dismiss the beliefs of anyone, but what Im saying is Rampages belief is not the same thing as everyone elses belief, and isnt a representation of religious belief as a whole, because almost nothing actually is.

I'll meet you halfway. Lets say biblical fundamentalists are anti-science. OK? Cool. But thats one group, that isnt even the biggest representation of christians as a whole, historically.

Last but not least, almost everyone is anti-science at some point once their core beliefs are contradicted. Talk to an uber progressive about whether 4 year old boys can become a girl, or ask a pro-choice super liberal with 4 nose rings when human life begins, scientifically, and youll get quite a bit of opposition.
 
Instead of saying stuff like "it seems like", why dont you tell me what I'm saying thats wrong. I haven't downplayed anything, everything Ive presented is historically accurate.

Like I said, I dont agree. I feel like the examples I've given on how the church was instrumental in founding universities and shaping modern academia is a pretty decent point of how religion can be instrumental to scientific advancement.

Yeah, that was my point. Describing and using religion as a monolith isnt the best way to make an argument because its so inaccurate by default.

I dont dismiss the beliefs of anyone, but what Im saying is Rampages belief is not the same thing as everyone elses belief, and isnt a representation of religious belief as a whole, because almost nothing actually is.

I'll meet you halfway. Lets say biblical fundamentalists are anti-science. OK? Cool. But thats one group, that isnt even the biggest representation of christians as a whole, historically.

Last but not least, almost everyone is anti-science at some point once their core beliefs are contradicted. Talk to an uber progressive about whether 4 year old boys can become a girl, or ask a pro-choice super liberal with 4 nose rings when human life begins, scientifically, and youll get quite a bit of opposition.

"I'll meet you halfway. Lets say biblical fundamentalists are anti-science. OK? Cool. But thats one group, that isnt even the biggest representation of christians as a whole, historically."


I think perhaps we are arguing partially in circles and I take part of the blame for maybe suggesting that religion and its followers are a binary/ black and white extremists collective.



Obviously the most religious people ie. a Bryce Mitchel, that believes the Earth is flat because of his bible, does believe science exists enough for him to use a computer to record expressing his religious views and share them via the internet.

In principle religion is antithetical to science or the pursuit of verifiable truth by its nature of claiming truths. But no one of any faith in the modern world truly believes all aspects of their chosen mythology.

I will stand by, the more fundamentalist a religious believer, the more likely they are to be against scientific or even verifiable truths ie. our friend Bryce Mitchel
 


Yet more winning for team woke

I don't approve of cancel culture.

I don't like what conservatives are doing going after people's jobs for what they said on Twitter or elsewhere outside of work. It's like conservatives forgot their purpose. They think they're winning each time they see someone got fired. Each is a victory in battle. The problem is that by merely engaging in this sort of behavior they have lost the war. They're playing into Palpatine's hands. They've forgotten their true purpose was to avoid this sort of war altogether. They've accepted this is the new normal.

This is suppressing people's right to express their opinion, and the defense is always the warped misapplication of the sound argument, but only when appropriately applied, "The freedom of speech isn't the freedom from consequences of that speech." Remember when liberals tried to make it the cultural norm to fire people for saying that gay people are sinners, or that they're going to hell, or that they are mentally ill, or simply that they are disgusting? Remember when they got Brandon Eich fired as CEO of Mozilla (developer of the Firefox browser) for not even saying anything, but by peeling through a database of political contributors, and discovering he had contributed funds to politicians who opposed Prop. 8 in favor of gay marriage?

That's what this is. What they are saying might be terribly offensive, but unless one is genuinely concerned because they are in a position where they are preaching hatred against conservatives, as to students, or that they are genuinely a mentally unstable threat who might hurt someone, then this is petty political spite. The First Amendment is only a constitutional protection against legal action, it's true, but as John Stuart Mill eloquently outlined in his landmark work On Liberty, this has to be more practical than a mere right, something that is exercised as a social norm, or in a practical sense speech is still not free.

I'm glad we were spared a shitty comic by someone who was so clearly only commissioned because of his identity, but while nothing of value was lost to the comic world, something of dear value is being lost to the real world, and that is the freedom of expression.
 
I don't approve of cancel culture.

I don't like what conservatives are doing going after people's jobs for what they said on Twitter or elsewhere outside of work. It's like conservatives forgot their purpose. They think they're winning each time they see someone got fired. Each is a victory in battle. The problem is that by merely engaging in this sort of behavior they have lost the war. They're playing into Palpatine's hands. They've forgotten their true purpose was to avoid this sort of war altogether. They've accepted this is the new normal.

This is suppressing people's right to express their opinion, and the defense is always the warped misapplication of the sound argument, but only when appropriately applied, "The freedom of speech isn't the freedom from consequences of that speech." Remember when liberals tried to make it the cultural norm to fire people for saying that gay people are sinners, or that they're going to hell, or that they are mentally ill, or simply that they are disgusting? Remember when they got Brandon Eich fired as CEO of Mozilla (developer of the Firefox browser) for not even saying anything, but by peeling through a database of political contributors, and discovering he had contributed funds to politicians who opposed Prop. 8 in favor of gay marriage?

That's what this is. What they are saying might be terribly offensive, but unless one is genuinely concerned because they are in a position where they are preaching hatred against conservatives, as to students, or that they are genuinely a mentally unstable threat who might hurt someone, then this is petty political spite. The First Amendment is only a constitutional protection against legal action, it's true, but as John Stuart Mill eloquently outlined in his landmark work On Liberty, this has to be more practical than a mere right, something that is exercised as a social norm, or in a practical sense speech is still not free.

I'm glad we were spared a shitty comic by someone who was so clearly only commissioned because of his identity, but while nothing of value was lost to the comic world, something of dear value is being lost to the real world, and that is the freedom of expression.
When have conservatives or any political wing in the US not leaned on cancel culture? Reactions to controversial speech have existed since the nation was founded.
 
When have conservatives or any political wing in the US not leaned on cancel culture? Reactions to controversial speech have existed since the nation was founded.
Prior to woke progressives taking over the Democratic Party, it was primarily conservatives who were into censorship. Now you can’t win with either party.
 
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