Evidence of Jones' Guilt

[chimpoehurricane]

Apr 2012: The drug test results for UFC 145 (headlined by Jones) aren't released to the public; Andy Foster (current CSAC director), who publicly supported Jones' innocence throughout 2017-2018, served as the athletic commission's director in Georgia at the time.


Jan 2015: Greg Howard (who spent a lot of time with Jones to write a comprehensive article on him), reported that Jones was rumored to have hid under the octagon when the drug testers showed up at JacksonWink, prior to the first Cormier fight.

Jones confirmed that he did in fact hide under the octagon to avoid drug testers:


Screenshot of Tweet:

Keep in mind, marijuana isn't prohibited out of competition, so there would be no reason for Jones hiding from drug testers. And if he did smoke a blunt close enough to fight night, why didn't Jones' test positive for marijuana? Jones' excuse falls apart easily.

Jones has a suspicious T/E ratio that deviates 80% from his previous reading; the UFC-USADA drug program was not in effect at this time.


Mar 2016: Frank Mir, teammate of Jon Jones, fails drug test for Oral Turinabol.

Jun 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.

• Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
• The pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
• Jones claimed his friend gave him the pill.
• This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
• Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.

Apr 2017: Frank Mir receives a two year suspension as a first time offender for Oral Turinabol.

Aug 2017: During his FOX interview, Jones slips up and says that he defeated Cormier "off steroids". His silence afterwards says more than any words could.



Jul 2017: Jones tests positive for Oral Turinabol, the same substance teammate Frank Mir tested positive for back in March of 2016.

Feb 2018: During Jones' CSAC hearing, it's discovered that:

• He failed to report 10 supplements to United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) prior to his performance at UFC 214, despite signing a document that said he did, and that he only disclosed their existence when they were sent to the lab to be tested for banned substances (after his failed drug test).
  
• Jones admitted he never watched mandated tutorials provided by USADA in both 2015 and 2016, instead passing them off to his management to take in his place (including having them forge his signature to confirm that he took said tutorials).

Precedent:


Cerrone recently said that JacksonWink's main wrestling coach used to be a junior assistant coach at some no-name college and was fired for selling kids steroids:
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Oct 2017-Jul 2018:

Jones is not tested at any point by USADA.

Sep 2018:

Jones received 4 years, but was able to get his suspension reduced to 15 months as a result of snitching.

Dec 2018:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
12/9/18: 60 pg/ml

NSAC denies Jones a license.

It has been reported that Jones failed an additional three drug tests:
7/28/18: 80 pg/ml
8/29/18: 8 pg/ml
9/18/18: 19 pg/ml


In addition to the above study, the longest detection window given by other experts was no greater than 6 months regarding the M3 metabolite; Jones had it in his system for over 18 months, which would've required a new ingestion of Turinabol and thereby debunked the "pulsing" excuse.

Jan 2019:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite (through VADA):
12/28/18: 33 pg/ml

Feb 2019

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
2/14/19: 40 pg/ml
2/15/19: 20 pg/ml

Oct 2017

Study suggests the M3 metabolite doesn't remain in one's system past 250-300 days, meanwhile Jones was testing positive 543 days after his allegedly single time ingestion, thereby proving that he was ingesting turinabol after his first failed test for it back in 2017:

With regards to the lack of short-term metabolites in Jones' system:


And the pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study, and despite Jones having taken clomiphene in the past he never pulsed for that substance.

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Classy fighter is classy. I'd still watch picograms at hw.

 

[dog y]

So Picto has been suspended for these 3 years?

 

[OverhandRightKayo]

I'm assuming it's @kflo but I've had that guy on ignore for years; save yourself the headache .

I don't. I shut him down.

 

[acannxr]

I honestly don't know what "pulsing" of steroids means and you clearly don't either

The pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study (no steroids were used) in which it was believed that clomiphene could store itself in fatty tissue and sporadically break off into the body long after initial use, and people used that as a basis to suggest that turinabol could pulse; but the fact that Jones has actually tested positive for clomiphene (2016) and never pulsed that substance is a significant counterpoint to the argument.

There's also the fact that the person who invented the test that caught Jones said that the detection window for the substance couldn't exceed a six month window, meanwhile Jones was testing positive for turinabol 1.5 years later.

 

[Cartiac]

The pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study (no steroids were used) in which it was believed that clomiphene could store itself in fatty tissue and sporadically break off into the body long after initial use, and people used that as a basis to suggest that turinabol could pulse; but the fact that Jones has actually tested positive for clomiphene (2016) and never pulsed that substance is a significant counterpoint to the argument.

There's also the fact that the person who invented the test that caught Jones said that the detection window for the substance couldn't exceed a six month window, meanwhile Jones was testing positive for turinabol 1.5 years later.

Thanks! That is some great info. I'll have to do some digging but initially sounds like a completely BS theory with false positives due to inaccuracy of testing methods to accurately measure substances at that level with any realistic degree of certainty being a much more reasonable explanation, but we are dealing with USADA so common sense may not be a good baseline.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I’ve really lost interest in this whole thread because I’m not going to argue with people that see multiple positive tests (for different substances) and chalk each one up to extenuating circumstances.

For me, the smoking gun was always the frauded signature. You can ALWAYS try to explain away positive screens, and some explanations are actually legitimate. But you're still not allowed to have banned substances regardless of intention, and the reason that that's your own responsibility is because of the USADA provided educationals that you have to sign off on. But he didn't do them and his agent forged his signature. Frauding the testing organization is already incriminating enough on it's own, but should also prevent you from any level of pleading ignorance when you test positive, especially over and over.

Can't tell me you unintentionally cheated after you intentionally lied about them warning you about unintentional cheating.

 

[Substance Abuse]

What an OP @acannxr

 

[matrixremaster]

Jones:

I hid under the cage because I smoked a blunt


This is one of the reasons I can't take Jones seriously in GOAT talks against Khabib.

One guy completely dominated and passed ever drug test they threw at him and the other failed.

 

[ilfirin]

I mean his guilt is proven beyond all reasonable doubt at this point. Excellent thread nonetheless though!

 

[Deleted member 513083]

Jones failed the tests I think around the time he got supper shredded and trained with Bodybuilders I remember that time

Still doesn't change his GOAT status to me but I definitely believe he was juicing during this time period.

 

[Cooliox]

This is a legendary thread

 

[Doughie99]

This is a legendary thread

100% agree on that! I am glad it exists.

 

[heSHurt]

Jones failed the tests I think around the time he got supper shredded and trained with Bodybuilders I remember that time

Still doesn't change his GOAT status to me but I definitely believe he was juicing during this time period.

Most likely, but it was detrimental to his fighting ability.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

The most frequently necroed thread. Might as well be pinned tbh

 

[acannxr]

What an OP @acannxr

Jones:

I hid under the cage because I smoked a blunt

Made all the more ridiculous given the fact that marijuana isn't tested out of competition (so there would be no reason to hide in that case) and if he smoked a blunt close enough to the in-competition test then he would've tested positive; the smallest bit of scrutiny destroys this excuse much like every other one he has given on why he fails a drug test.

I mean his guilt is proven beyond all reasonable doubt at this point.

When I created this thread it was at the time when Sherdoggers and the UFC were trying to excuse his failed tests as "dick pills", "tainted creatine cut with cocaine", "pinch of salt in olympic pool", and "pulsing".

Now you've got Jones, his fans, and the UFC trying to rewrite history because the bought and paid for USADA rewrote their rules for the UFC.

Jones failed the tests I think around the time he got supper shredded and trained with Bodybuilders I remember that time

Still doesn't change his GOAT status to me but I definitely believe he was juicing during this time period.

Jones was hiding under the cage from drug testers before he was training with bodybuilders.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

Made all the more ridiculous given the fact that marijuana isn't tested out of competition (so there would be no reason to hide in that case) and if he smoked a blunt close enough to the in-competition test then he would've tested positive; the smallest bit of scrutiny destroys this excuse much like every other one he has given on why he fails a drug test.


When I created this thread it was at the time when Sherdoggers and the UFC were trying to excuse his failed tests as "dick pills", "tainted creatine cut with cocaine", "pinch of salt in olympic pool", and "pulsing".

Now you've got Jones, his fans, and the UFC trying to rewrite history because the bought and paid for USADA rewrote their rules for the UFC.


Jones was hiding under the cage from drug testers before he was training with bodybuilders.

Could be, didn't Covington say he already used in College?
Wouldn't put it past Jon tbh

 

[koquerelle]

TL/DR

JBJ is still the GOAT.

 

[acannxr]

Could be, didn't Covington say he already used in College?

Even if that were true, Covington isn't exactly a credible source for much of anything.

 

[StonedLemur]

Even if that were true, Covington isn't exactly a credible source for much of anything.

This thread is legendary sir.

 

[mjfan23]

Jones entire career is tainted (like his piss) he has been allowed to roid while his opponents haven’t.

But to be honest we have to applaud Jones!!

he always overcomes his problems, be they in the cage, in a lab, in the court of law, on the streets (hit and runs, Coke hunting, etc) or in the hotel (domestic assault)

gets bonus points for banging Colby’s mom in college