Evidence of Jones' Guilt

[fedorthegoat777]

Yeah, doesn't look good.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

I am not claiming anything. I am just saying a 35 year old male training in an intense sport with low levels, makes more sense than a 27 year old.
I think it's telling that Jones wouldn't fight him at HW. That would have been the time to move up, but I remember Jones saying DC was more dangerous at that weight.

I think plenty of guys have been on certain things. I personally think Jones has been on more gear than half of Pride ever was, it was just higher quality stuff and took longer for him to pop. His brother went positive in the NFL within 2 weeks of his DC 2 Drug test failure.DC hasn't gone positive so I can't say he was on anything without it being fighter bashing.

LOL "fighter bashing" - the dude claimed DC has never had questionable levels. I posted an article from their first fight that questioned his levels because they were abnormal.


Take it up with bloody elbow if you don't like what they reported.

 

[maximus__]

LOL "fighter bashing" - the dude claimed DC has never had questionable levels. I posted an article from their first fight that questioned his levels because they were abnormal.


Take it up with bloody elbow if you don't like what they reported.

No I agree with what you are saying. I just can't say it as being confirmed. I think plenty of guys are on the gear in the UFC.
I just won't accuse anyone that hasn't popped.

 

[abject]

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/...aniel-cormier-te-ratio-low-drug-test-mma-news

“If they see a deviation in the T/E ratio of greater than 30 percent, there is something up. That’s a red flag,” Conte explained. “If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is suspicious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”

Bottom line. You are wrong.

 

[acannxr]

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/...aniel-cormier-te-ratio-low-drug-test-mma-news

Cormier had an 8% deviation while Jones had an 80% deviation; the former isn't suspicious but the latter is a red flag.

This was already mentioned in the OP.

A former fighter -- I think it was Wes Sims -- also said Jones' wrestling coach was dealing steroids. Not sure if anyone has mentioned this. Great write-up, we need more people cutting through the bullshit! @acannxr

It was already mentioned in the OP (See the Cerrone clip).

I am just saying a 35 year old male training in an intense sport with low levels, makes more sense than a 27 year old.

It's the deviation between the two tests that made Jones' levels suspicious.

 

[OverhandRightKayo]

Cormier had an 8% deviation while Jones had an 80% deviation; the former isn't suspicious but the latter is a red flag.

This was already mentioned in the OP.


It was already mentioned in the OP (See the Cerrone clip).


It's the deviation between the two tests that made Jones' levels suspicious.

Thank you..

These Jones sympathizers will all burn along with his cowardly hero.

 

[don't ask]

Cormier had an 8% deviation while Jones had an 80% deviation; the former isn't suspicious but the latter is a red flag.

This was already mentioned in the OP.


It was already mentioned in the OP (See the Cerrone clip).


It's the deviation between the two tests that made Jones' levels suspicious.

Unless Cerrone was talking about Wes Sims, that's not what I'm referring to.

 

[DudeBroMMA]

To be fair I wouldn't put it past DC. The dude cheats in every game whenever he's on espn LOL

 

[BoomStronk]

Remember Jones pointing to the small amount of oral turinabol metabolite that was found in his system as evidence he hasn't been cheating?

"They told me it was like a grain of salt in a swimming pool" or something

That is like defending yourself from a charge of arson by saying the match stick they found with your DNA on it is so much smaller than the apartment building that burnt down.

 

[acannxr]

Unless Cerrone was talking about Wes Sims, that's not what I'm referring to.

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[don't ask]

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Where are we going wrong in our communication? You have Donald Cerrone accusing Jones' wrestling coach of dealing steroids and I'm saying Wes Sims said the same thing (so you can add him to your first post if you want).

 

[acannxr]

Where are we going wrong in our communication?

I overlooked the fact that you said "also" with regards to Wes Sims, so I interpreted it as if you were trying to provide new information that I hadn't cited.

A former fighter -- I think it was Wes Sims -- also said Jones' wrestling coach was dealing steroids.

My mistake.

 

[don't ask]

I overlooked the fact that you said "also" with regards to Wes Sims, so I interpreted it as if you were trying to provide new information that I hadn't cited.


My mistake.

all good, brother!

 

[STRAWBOSS]

i find myself having to explain my titties, for different reasons tho

 

[acannxr]

Whats USADAs incentive for doing this with Jon Jones? They bust him to be compensated? By who?

Do they do the same in the Olympics, Pan American Games and Paralimpcs ?

Why didnt they do the same for Lance Armstrong, TJ Dillashaw or Brock Lesner?

Do you have any evidence ?

They are compensated by a multi-billion dollar promotional company AKA the people they work for. WME/UFC.

They didn't do the same for Olympics and Lance Armstrong because that relationship is not like what I described above where USADA is a tool of a multi-billion dollar promo company.

They did it for blatantly for Brock Lesnar. Mark Hunt (unsuccessfully) filed a lawsuit for how they let Lesnar roid prior to 200. Openly declared the rules didn't apply to him. Meanwhile pico'ing was never mentioned by any scientist ever (since it is so stupid as to be insulting), then was invented for Jon, and has never been verified to be true by science or ever used again. It is one step removed from me justifying PED tests by saying unicorns teleported them inside someone's body, but I only say it once, everyone knows it's a joke, but because I'm a billionaire no one calls bullshit on it outside of internet forums.

Read up on the history. An excellent and massive thread was compiled by @acannxr if you want to go in-depth on Jones in particular. That thread is also useful to see how WME PR tries to push certain talking points on a large online forum such as this.

Here's the Jones thread.

And I did the math awhile back and if I recall correctly, the UFC accounts for at least 50% of USADA's revenue, so there's definitely a conflict of interest there.

 

[Dionysian]

Here's the Jones thread.

And I did the math awhile back and if I recall correctly, the UFC accounts for at least 50% of USADA's revenue, so there's definitely a conflict of interest there.

Thanks brother. At this point the only die-hard defenders have to be either extremely young/ignorant of the topic or are straight-up a PR poster. Collecting all the facts in one place like this makes it so they have to blatantly obfuscate or ignore all this.

 

[Smegma-Head]

Mega long thread which means there are still peeps who actually BELIEVE that Pico didn't cheat and is a steroid junk. Oh sweet irony

 

[acannxr]

Since Sherdoggers are trying to rewrite history, they should read the OP before trying to spout off nonsense.

 

[GBJohn]

Are there really any Sherdoggers who are still on the fence about this?

 

[acannxr]

Are there really any Sherdoggers who are still on the fence about this?

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