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Zelensky, is now calling for a European army.......

With "intelligence" coming in that Russia will be looking to mobilise 150k and move them into Belarus..... In the next few years.... As a staging ground for a land invasion into another country.

Is Zelensky the new Jar Jar Bink's?

Who becomes the Euro Emperor?

Are Russia the rebels?
 
William Huggins said:
I'm confused, one minute their on the ropes, next we need a new Euro army to stop them socialists again......
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Well, they are not going anywhere - and even with sanctions on they can rebuild in war economy for quite some time (unless somethig happens and it all comes crumbling down in three days. which can happen when it's about Russia) - but only a fool would not assume the Threat to be there on the long term and continue building.

The playingfield will change completely with USA diminishing their presence in the old world and leaving the European states to mostly fend for themselves.

Without Uncle Sam - a rebuilt Russian Threat is gonna be much more prominent. And that is why the parts of Europe who still have their head in the sand need to wake up, grow up and get shit done.

A combined army is not an answer - alliances, NATO, JEF, etc. is. If for some reason "EU" would form its own army it would just end up hurting those states who have kept their military in working condition and we would most likely end up with some tard like Scholz "running the show" very fast and ruining it (again) for everyone.

Strongly defended nation states with strong and working alliances and combined approach to the defence industry. That is the way. It will be hard, it will be likely economically horrible, and it might all break down with a key state switching to Russia friendly leadership (especially ze Germans) etc.

The sad thing is that Zelenski is now "taking leadership role" with his speeches - when the Big Old Leaders of Old World still just wring their arms and look like little lost orphan children cause JD Vance was a meanie. Well, except Scholz and assorted fucktards who grew bigger balls to "oppose" Trump and USA than they ever have showed against Russia.

Cunts.
 
Zelensky ofc is telling his flowchart.

Obviously a lot of signs are that there will be Munich 1938 th repetition and mainly under the table. Possibly Molotov Ribentropp type stuff and stuff like Molotov and Stalin had with Japan 1939 th...


Yanks are thinking that Europe are some kind of Kurds No2 type stuff and dumb etc.

Looks that now actual might be deal U.S with Russia...where U.S while not on paper but in reality will allow Putin to keep land areas he will manage to grab physically till ceasefire.

Ofc they easily might promise not to allow Ukr join NATO. This more for mainstream public and might be sold for plebs ....while in reality Pitin and Co knew that it always was this. West always had considered ukr as Grey zone or russian protectorate do here 0 changes at all. During 30 years.

More important for Ukr is that most likely Putin will negotiate with U.S not to allow Ukr strike occupied areas etc.... also ofc not likely long range weapons sales for Ukr etc.

For Ukr they looks that will demand from them $, different permits etc.
As warranties will be provided Budapesht 1994 th clownade repetition...0 chances that they will not prepare papers in order allow west and Russia to weasel out from supposedly promised maybe promised bullshit.

Ofc some part of Ukr as Grey zone living in debts...and dreams.

avg russians like ukrainians will live in dreams and debts...as usually. Nothing changed.
Just more debts. War? Why not, lesser ppl walking around, more oxygen to breath. Stalin.
 
“I couldn’t walk and I tried to run ”-John Lennon

This manlet isn’t even in the EU and is calling for them to pull an army out of their ass.

Ukraine has been stocked to the gills for decades and throughout this war and they’re losing.

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Mittens said:
A combined army is not an answer - alliances, NATO, JEF, etc. is.
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Clearly Nato is not the answer.
If you read between the lines of what the MAGA intelligentia and policy makers are currently saying, they are suggesting that not only will USA not stand by Ukraine, or ever let Ukraine into Nato - USA will also not step in to help any other Nato member attacked by Russia. I hate the EU, but even I realize a system where the US is completely out of the picture, and all other EU states will come to each other's aid only on a purely voluntary basis*, will not work.


*Coalitions like JEF are unreliable. Just like Nato.
 
Nah, we don't need a European army,
European nations should just fucking properly invest in their militaries and not rely on the US for security.

I'm all for European militaries collaborating and forming a nato-like coalition without the US, but yeah if you've got fuck-all for a military that's a bit of a challenge.

Beeing independant comes with a few perks aswell, not automatically having to always side with the US and instead having the abillity to just look after your own best interests can be quite interesting, especially with regards to developing beneficial relationships with future US-competitors

The only reason Russia is even deemed a threat is because Western Europe is unwilling to spend a meaningful amount of money on their own defense.
(and because Germany allowed itself to become entirely dependant on Russian gas, but that's a different matter)
Numberwise Russia shouldn't even be a major player and on the long run they are pretty much fucked, regardless of the current war.
But that makes them all the more dangerous the coming years, they have a pretty limited timeframe to actually try and do shit, they can't afford to sit back and wait.
 
Halge said:
Clearly Nato is not the answer.
If you read between the lines of what the MAGA intelligentia and policy makers are currently saying, they are suggesting that not only will USA not stand by Ukraine, or ever let Ukraine into Nato - USA will also not step in to help any other Nato member attacked by Russia. I hate the EU, but even I realize a system where the US is completely out of the picture, and all other EU states will come to each other's aid only on a purely voluntary basis*, will not work.


*Coalitions like JEF are unreliable. Just like Nato.
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I am more optimistic about Nato’s European arm, but as Russia is a permanent existential threat, I kind of have to be.

On the other hand we can hold out fir some time and gigantic piles of dead Russian infantry even on our own, but there are also the rest of the frontline countries. Even without USA, it is doable, and at the end it will likely be better to do with what we have now, instead of giving the keys to the kingdom to EU and risk a Scholz type fucking it all up. If someone fucks up in a voluntary coalition, thats on them. If a wrong leader of a more unified centarally controlled Union military emerges, it fucks it up for everyone.

Would a full blown State union and a full military bolster Europes defense? Maybe, but it could also fall apart when Russia comes anyway. And my fear is that it woukd still leave all the burden to the borderstates.

But I do not want to see the Western Civilization so fragile we fall apart this easy. But also only a fool would not make peace with the idea of facing Russia alone or with few key allies only.
 
Halge said:
Clearly Nato is not the answer.
If you read between the lines of what the MAGA intelligentia and policy makers are currently saying, they are suggesting that not only will USA not stand by Ukraine, or ever let Ukraine into Nato - USA will also not step in to help any other Nato member attacked by Russia. I hate the EU, but even I realize a system where the US is completely out of the picture, and all other EU states will come to each other's aid only on a purely voluntary basis*, will not work.


*Coalitions like JEF are unreliable. Just like Nato.
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There is big difference between EU and Ukraine.
EU does have a lot of economical ties with U.S during 40 plus years. Ofc for profits. They are largest US trade partner. With a lot of corps and investments funds, companies and investors involved.
Ofc for profit.

Unfortunately, yes for Trump administration more lucrative might look to send ordered weapons to european countries and get $ on the table ASAP instead to send them to Ukraine.... they does have a lot of orders to get .....unlike Ukraine, they will pay immediately.

If you are looking from weapons sales business point.. ofc this doesn't looks promising future for Ukraine at all.

If they will negotiate with Putine, might even insert clause that purchased from U.S weapons can't be sent to Ukr etc.
BTW for each batch of weapons might be different additional contract and different clauses....

Also they does have large U.S corps with LNG sales deals, banking, mortgage, manufacturing, transport deals plus damn, ad and IT services deals wher nice money coming in each month...add also different software licenses payments .... A lot of stuff.

Financial and economical ties between europe and U.S are much closer than they were 1930-1980 ies....

Ofc they will not be willing to fight with anyone but to loss damn a lot .... it might be till insane pain level for U.S.

Therefore calm down Putin till something like Munich 1938 th for Ukraine type stuff....promise Ukr something like Budapesht 1994 th empty BS papers and continue business.
 
Croo67 said:
I'm sure all the Liberals who spend their days obsessing over Russia - and blaming it for all the decisions made by the governments they voted for - will be happy to step up.
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Obviously if they invaded the UK we'd all stand up, unless we were absolute pussies
 
Euro armies right now are a joke. So there needs to be a process of investment in EUROPEAN arms manufacturers that will take decades to complete in a meaningful way. Which is fine, we have the time, all we need is the political will. but we need to stop buying all our shit from other places. we are more than capable to build highest grade shit on our own.

A single euro army would just end up led by the germans or the french, who will not in a million years accept their battlegroups to be led by some slovenian or hungarian, but will think themselves entitled to lead all the rest. it's hard. maybe they're right. and don't get me started on it if brits also come into the equation.

at least half of european armies are chihuahuas and completely irrelevant. besides france, germany, italy, poland, there's almost nobody that can meaningfully produce workable brigade-size units, and NOBODY in europe even came close to a real war at the size for almost a century, at most there's peacekeeping missions or some battalion rotations in places like afghanistan.

the only constant in european military discourse today is grandstanding and chest puffing. in time hopefully we will get better at it. military stuff i mean, not grandstanding.
 
No to one big EU army

Should invest in european arms industry and some natoesque military alliance thats run by countries bordering russia, simply because thats where euro military power is really.and who will be doing the heavy lifting when it comes to russia
 
Perhaps y'all should've listened to the wise words of Otto von Bismarck:

Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.

The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia.
 
William Huggins said:
Zelensky, is now calling for a European army.......

With "intelligence" coming in that Russia will be looking to mobilise 150k and move them into Belarus..... In the next few years.... As a staging ground for a land invasion into another country.

Is Zelensky the new Jar Jar Bink's?

Who becomes the Euro Emperor?

Are Russia the rebels?
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Everybody is yurrp is calling for a european army but Europeans talk 20 years to get approval to go for a piss. They ll do nuttin as usual they re a joke.

Also who cares what Zelenski wants?
 
William Huggins said:
Zelensky, is now calling for a European army.......

With "intelligence" coming in that Russia will be looking to mobilise 150k and move them into Belarus..... In the next few years.... As a staging ground for a land invasion into another country.

Is Zelensky the new Jar Jar Bink's?

Who becomes the Euro Emperor?

Are Russia the rebels?
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Jar Jar Binks was a sith lord think about it 🤔

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