Essentially, what is "game"?

[A.S. Deep]

That's really good to hear.

I think that's probably why my game was historically so weak, because i have had relationships work when I was just open and honest from the beginning, too. Particularly when I was younger ...

This led me to believe that this was the "blueprint" and all you had to do is just tell a girl how you feel ... cuz "hey, it worked before, right?"

But, then you get a big fat reality check!

I don't know what you want with girls (relationship vs. FWBs vs. One night stands), but I couldn't imagine dating/marrying a girl I HAD to use game on. That would just make the relationship work (vs. fun). Besides, I always wanted to be romantic, genuine, and open with my eventual wife, so if I can't be that way with a girl then what the fuck am I doing dating her?


Game is perfect for one night stands/FWBs though haha

 

[bubbleboyjones]

So, game is essentially, showing a girl interest, spending some time together, but not doing anything goofy or overly affectionate so that she doesn't know where she stands with you, then when you are sure that she really likes you, you make a move.

Can anyone break it down better than this?

Simply put game is ability to seduce women. Thats really it.

It's a complicated subject but it always goes back to a simple goal which is to seduce women. Thats why there are subcategories such as direct game which is showing intent(approaching a girl on the street and asking for her number because she's cute) or indirect game which is not showing intent at first(this is more of the classic PUA playbook like asking a girl at a bar a random question). The reason why indirect game is more widely used is because you not need as much value for it to work.

Good looking high value guys can get away with direct game more often(note that value doesn't mean your absolute value but only your value in relation to the girl. For example a guy who is a 9 in looks will slay with 7s with direct game but will often fall flat on his face with a girl who is a 9 or 10 herself as female looks always dominates equivalent male looks).

 

[Goonerview]

Feeding women validation without them ever getting full.

Upon further reflection. I think this is it. This is what I was looking for from this thread and is potentially the missing piece of my puzzle in terms of my personal relations to women.

I often go to parties/meetups and I already have the looks, dress sense, charm, awareness to leave the party with the hottest girl in the room. I've done this many times. Whilst, a lot of other guys at parties are full "charisma mode" and high tension and they are "high fiving" girls like f**king goofballs ... whereas my style is more subdued, charming and introverted. Coupled with my looks, huntershaped-eyes, cool, calm and collected way ... women are attracted to that underlying sexiness that I naturally bring.

Soon after meeting, they would message me, telling me they are looking forward to meeting again, but I would always ruin the attraction by being too open and honest and talking about 2nd and 3rd dates, my future intentions etc. And I would NEVER hear from these women ever again. They would be so turned off, the attraction would be dead ... and I could never quite understand it. It baffled me.

It seems so counter-intuitive ... because as a man, if I find a girl attractive and she tells me that she's into me, I'm like "Cool, Thats great!! Let's let the barriers down and let the good times roll"

But, this doesn't work with women, as soon as you over-validate them by telling them you are interested in them too soon, they are done with you ... and at that point, the homeless guy on the street has a better chance of hooking up with her than you.

I guess when I was younger, I was largely able to get away with being direct with them and most of the time, they would just be f**king down ... this led to me developing bad habits when dating women and all kinds of pain and suffering for everyone involved.

I feel like I am learning this late in life, I have read a lot of red-pill books that have talked about the need to be "mysterious" with women, but you have worded it in a way that makes the most sense to me ... just don't over-validate them and just gently move the interaction in the right direction.

Thank you for your input and to others that have contributed to this thread and breaking down what "game" is to it's fundamental core. I am sure that there is more to "fundamental game" than just this, but this is an important part of it.

 

[RetiredSlave]

Its like the stock market...

 

[Cole train]

Upon further reflection. I think this is it. This is what I was looking for from this thread and is potentially the missing piece of my puzzle in terms of my personal relations to women.

I often go to parties/meetups and I already have the looks, dress sense, charm, awareness to leave the party with the hottest girl in the room. I've done this many times. Whilst, a lot of other guys at parties are full "charisma mode" and high tension and they are "high fiving" girls like f**king goofballs ... whereas my style is more subdued, charming and introverted. Coupled with my looks, huntershaped-eyes, cool, calm and collected way ... women are attracted to that underlying sexiness that I naturally bring.

Soon after meeting, they would message me, telling me they are looking forward to meeting again, but I would always ruin the attraction by being too open and honest and talking about 2nd and 3rd dates, my future intentions etc. And I would NEVER hear from these women ever again. They would be so turned off, the attraction would be dead ... and I could never quite understand it. It baffled me.

It seems so counter-intuitive ... because as a man, if I find a girl attractive and she tells me that she's into me, I'm like "Cool, Thats great!! Let's let the barriers down and let the good times roll"

But, this doesn't work with women, as soon as you over-validate them by telling them you are interested in them too soon, they are done with you ... and at that point, the homeless guy on the street has a better chance of hooking up with her than you.

I guess when I was younger, I was largely able to get away with being direct with them and most of the time, they would just be f**king down ... this led to me developing bad habits when dating women and all kinds of pain and suffering for everyone involved.

I feel like I am learning this late in life, I have read a lot of red-pill books that have talked about the need to be "mysterious" with women, but you have worded it in a way that makes the most sense to me ... just don't over-validate them and just gently move the interaction in the right direction.

Thank you for your input and to others that have contributed to this thread and breaking down what "game" is to it's fundamental core. I am sure that there is more to "fundamental game" than just this, but this is an important part of it.

if you had the looks charm awareness etc to leave with the hottest girl every time you would not be here asking about this

 

[EatMyShorts]

In the romantic sense, what does having good "game" mean? I want to use this thread to discuss it and break it down to a fundamental concept. If possible.

How I understand it. You meet a girl on a night out or at a party, you need to have enough confidence to approach her, ask her a few questions, be charming/friendly and then ask her if she's interested in coffee/dinner some time.

If she says yes and seems excited. Exchange numbers. But don't be too excited or show too much emotion. "Game" and the concept of attraction is her not knowing exactly where she stands with you, do you really like her or not? Who knows?

You go on a date for dinner/coffee. Get to know each other a little, have fun. Then end the date. Ask her out again a week later, be chill, calm and cool. No showing any emotions of affection of that you are liking her. No "looking forward to seeing you again" type messages. Instant attraction killers ....

The next time, invite her out closer to your house/ around for dinner.

Wait until you are for certain that she is into you and then make a move, go for a kiss.

So, game is essentially, showing a girl interest, spending some time together, but not doing anything goofy or overly affectionate so that she doesn't know where she stands with you, then when you are sure that she really likes you, you make a move.

Can anyone break it down better than this?

I didn't read this, but I can tell you that "game" is like, a mildly inaccurate synonym - colloquialism of sorts - for "personality".

Ability or dynamic upon which interacting with others is based - is personality.

I guess the phrase "game" just materialized cause - men typically have a personality so inept when it comes to hooking up with chicks that, the occasional dude that can chat with ease, is regarded as having something special.

And I guess that something "special", came to be known as "game".

Shows you where society is at as a whole.

 

[ctrlaltdelete]

You can be sexually attractive, but if you tell a girl on a first date that you "like her" or you over-compliment her, or you message her too much too soon ... she will reject you. Point blank.

I don't care if you look like Brad Pitt in his prime, a woman would reject your ass so f**king fast.

This is what I mean by having "game"

It's because women go out to have organic interaction with no ulterior motives * most of the time *

When a dude talks to them with the obvious goal is to fuck them is a turn off.

Talking and being more casual and more laid back will make them relax and be more comfortable around you.

But again it helps if you're outrageously attractive.

 

[Goonerview]

if you had the looks charm awareness etc to leave with the hottest girl every time you would not be here asking about this

Not every time, but most times.

AS I said, I would leave with them, but f**k it up by being too open and honest with my intentions.

 

[Goonerview]

It's because women go out to have organic interaction with no ulterior motives * most of the time *

When a dude talks to them with the obvious goal is to fuck them is a turn off.

Talking and being more casual and more laid back will make them relax and be more comfortable around you.

But again it helps if you're outrageously attractive.

Not "f**king" per se, but I often told girls that I was interested in looking for a GF/relationship, if everything goes well. ... they went from blowing up my phone to blocking and deleting me and never heard from them again ...

This is probably why the "metoo" movement is actually a thing. As people don't really know where they stand with each other ... everything is vague, "wishy-washy" and "mysterious" ...

... men soon learn that they need to be "mysterious" and unclear with your intent to get laid, and then bang, you get unsatisfactory sex and then you get Me too'd ...

I try to buck that trend, be open and honest with my intent, but this just kills attraction and leads to frustration and disappointment all around ...

Reminds me of that Ryan Gosling from the Notebook "what do you want!?!"

This thread has been pretty good at illuminating what "game" fundamentally is.

 

[Mr Mojo Lane]

Don't say anything stupid. Be very, very careful w/ humor. Even on this site, I said some obviously facetious remark in an obviously goofy thread and someone got offended.

 

[Bacco]

In the romantic sense, what does having good "game" mean? I want to use this thread to discuss it and break it down to a fundamental concept. If possible.

How I understand it. You meet a girl on a night out or at a party, you need to have enough confidence to approach her, ask her a few questions, be charming/friendly and then ask her if she's interested in coffee/dinner some time.

If she says yes and seems excited. Exchange numbers. But don't be too excited or show too much emotion. "Game" and the concept of attraction is her not knowing exactly where she stands with you, do you really like her or not? Who knows?

You go on a date for dinner/coffee. Get to know each other a little, have fun. Then end the date. Ask her out again a week later, be chill, calm and cool. No showing any emotions of affection of that you are liking her. No "looking forward to seeing you again" type messages. Instant attraction killers ....

The next time, invite her out closer to your house/ around for dinner.

Wait until you are for certain that she is into you and then make a move, go for a kiss.

So, game is essentially, showing a girl interest, spending some time together, but not doing anything goofy or overly affectionate so that she doesn't know where she stands with you, then when you are sure that she really likes you, you make a move.

Can anyone break it down better than this?

It's having the awareness you need to handle yourself in the best way, read signals and have the balls to do your moves. Time will add experience too

Just that

The whole thing you said seem more a set of rules people with no self game use as istructions manual
There's no set rule, you can fuck same night you know a girl, like you can have to work weeks to get a kiss (if you think she's worth It)

Istruction manual got on the back "It works 51% of the times" wich for many Is good enough

 

[Goonerview]

It's having the awareness you need to handle yourself in the best way, read signals and have the balls to do your moves. Time will add experience too

Just that

The whole thing you said seem more a set of rules people with no self game use as an istructions manual
There's no set rule, you can fuck same night you know a girl, like you can have to work weeks to get a kiss (if you think she's worth It)

Istruction manual got on the back "It works 51% of the times" wich for many Is good enough

I think this is a more overall definition of "game".

I have had stages in my life where I had great success with women. I have had ONSs. But, I was never conscious of what I did right ... like, "how did I do that?" What was the underlying, fundamental dynamics that lead to the woman getting so into me.

This is what this thread to hoping to shed light on.

 

[MetalGearTrump]

Who needs "game" when you can bench teh 275 for reps and have a mean uppercut?

Platinum sherdog accounts also help I hear

 

[I am your real dad]

That sounds like alot of work.

Let me break this down for you my friend.
Just be yourself. If she likes you, she likes you. If she dont, she don't.

 

[ctrlaltdelete]

That sounds like alot of work.

Let me break this down for you my friend.
Just be yourself. If she likes you, she likes you. If she dont, she don't.

Thanks for the advice, dad

 

[Judoka1532]

I'll keep it simple. Game is somebody who has no fear of rejection, but only confidence. They approach women and get what they want

 

[Bacco]

I think this is a more overall definition of "game".

I have had stages in my life where I had great success with women. I have had ONSs. But, I was never conscious of what I did right ... like, "how did I do that?" What was the underlying, fundamental dynamics that lead to the woman getting so into me.

This is what this thread to hoping to shed light on.

You ask how one realized he's doing a smart move instead a douchebag one, experience or follow a set of rules can give you hints that works a decent % of times, but even there simple good awareness/instinct is better than both

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Game is how willing a dog is to fight.

 

[Paladin]

In the romantic sense, what does having good "game" mean? I want to use this thread to discuss it and break it down to a fundamental concept. If possible.

How I understand it. You meet a girl on a night out or at a party, you need to have enough confidence to approach her, ask her a few questions, be charming/friendly and then ask her if she's interested in coffee/dinner some time.

If she says yes and seems excited. Exchange numbers. But don't be too excited or show too much emotion. "Game" and the concept of attraction is her not knowing exactly where she stands with you, do you really like her or not? Who knows?

You go on a date for dinner/coffee. Get to know each other a little, have fun. Then end the date. Ask her out again a week later, be chill, calm and cool. No showing any emotions of affection of that you are liking her. No "looking forward to seeing you again" type messages. Instant attraction killers ....

The next time, invite her out closer to your house/ around for dinner.

Wait until you are for certain that she is into you and then make a move, go for a kiss.

So, game is essentially, showing a girl interest, spending some time together, but not doing anything goofy or overly affectionate so that she doesn't know where she stands with you, then when you are sure that she really likes you, you make a move.

Can anyone break it down better than this?

Game is like a smell. You can’t trap it, touch it, taste it, but absolutely recognize it when it’s present.

 

[I am your real dad]

Thanks for the advice, dad

You are welcome son.