End all GOAT Discussion

Flower2dPeople said:
In his defense, he was still working at a warehouse and not training full time when he was at bantamweight. That would be like Silva still flipping burgers at Burger King when he was still fighting in Pride.
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Perhaps but he had the chance to move up again and refused
 
BowserJr said:
Perhaps but he had the chance to move up again and refused
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Those who moved up were either really successful and cleaned their divisions like Silva and were doing the promotion a favor and are rewarded handsomely. Or were already washed up and their careers stagnating. Was MM offered a bantamweight fight while he was still flyweight champ? If so, was he supposed to be paid more? Afaik, the UFC didn't give MM ppv points even when he was a champ.
 
Flower2dPeople said:
Those who moved up were either really successful and cleaned their divisions like Silva and were doing the promotion a favor and are rewarded handsomely. Or were already washed up and their careers stagnating. Was MM offered a bantamweight fight while he was still flyweight champ? If so, was he supposed to be paid more? Afaik, the UFC didn't give MM ppv points even when he was a champ.
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I cant speak on that, whether it's true or whether it would make a difference in MM having the initiative to make that type of move.

Point still stands that 125 is paper thin and was moreso before plus the agility, speed and movement at 125 does not translate to normal size humans so its apples and oranges. They can't enter p4p convo
 
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BowserJr said:
The only way to settle who is the p4p GOAT is to define what is meant by p4p GOAT. There are generally 4 school of thought. I'll name the top 3 for each one

A. Absolute PEAK undefeatability/skill
B. Best accolades/record
C. Best fighter
D. Best competitor

A.
1. Fedor
2. Jones
3. Silva

B.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

C.
1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. BJ Penn

D.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

It really comes down to which one outweigh more. To me Fighter and Undefeatability are the 2 most important. Clearly to many Sherbros Record and competitor are more important.

A few things to note
  • I don't count Flyweight cuz its too shallow and they're just too small.
  • Fighter refers to having budo and fighting to see who is the best at fighting rather than who's the best at the sport of MMA
  • Competitor refers to competing in MMA to see who is the best at the sport which also means gaming the rules, judging and structure
  • In case you didn't know Silva was ranked #1 at WW and of course MW and top 3 at LHW. That's why I put him in the record/accolades section over undefeated khabib. Sorry Khabib fans top 3 in 3 weightclasses and #1 in 2 is more impressive than undefeated with only a handful of big wins
  • Losses at the end of a career doesnt mean much. If it did Muhammad Ali would not be consensus boxing GOAT over guys like Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe
My overall pick is Fedor because again I weigh fighter much higher than competitor and losses at the end when they shouldn't be fighting dont weigh much
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when picking the goat
people should pick the best and hardest resume
also how many title fights
gsp and fedors resume look trash if you compare it to jones
they also have memes on the internet where they got ktfou

fedors resume at his peak yall say was in pride
look at his resume it resembles khabibs resume only nog and cro cop as best wins
literaly paded record
 
orca said:
who a

when picking the goat
people should pick the best and hardest resume
also how many title fights
gsp and fedors resume look trash if you compare it to jones
they also have memes on the internet where they got ktfou

fedors resume at his peak yall say was in pride
look at his resume it resembles khabibs resume only nog and cro cop as best wins
literaly paded record
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So wrong it's funny. Fedor has the same number top 10 wins than Jones. He also did it in less time. None of those wins are controversial. More of the wins are more impressive finishes.

Jones looks like trash when you look at his performances against Santos and Reyes where the general consensus is that he lost and both guys are mid tier.

Also when you cherry pick opponents and dodge unidimensional opponents from a lower weight class cuz you can't game plan it speaks volumes on the contract fierce in your abilities.

So best resume is too narrow and for narrow minded people who can't process context.

That's why there is a difference between competitor and fighter. It seems you didnt actually read the op
 
A. Absolute PEAK undefeatability/skill - Jones
B. Best accolades/record - Jones
C. Best fighter - Jones
D. Best competitor - Jones

A (peak dominance)
1. Jones
2. Fedor
3. Silva
4. GSP
5. Ngannou
6. Mouse
7. Cain
8. Usman
9. Khabib
10. Cruz

<JonesDXSuckIt> <BC1> <codychoke>
 
BowserJr said:
Fedor was already out of his prime when he fought Roger's. You could see his reductions in speed vs AA.

GSP is not a fighters fighter so he is no where on the GOAT fighters list.
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Fedor was 34 years old - prime age for HW, when he was beat 3 consecutive times, times by less than stellar competition. This negates any/all GOAT talk.
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This is a fact ^^^^^.

"GSP is not a fighters fighter so he is no where on the GOAT fighters list" is your opinion and is not based on anything other than your opinion.....which essentially means nothing.....to anybody. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.
 
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Jones is the GOAT.

But Poatan is close second. World champion in two weight classes in two fighting orgs.
 
Jon jones is the greatest
there is no discussion/debate to be had.

a way better debate
would be whose the second & third best..... and id go Anderson silva but could understand
if someone picked fedor/gsp.. but its Jon jones and its not even close..
 
WokeWarrior said:
Jon jones is the greatest
there is no discussion/debate to be had.

a way better debate
would be whose the second & third best..... and id go Anderson silva but could understand
if someone picked fedor/gsp.. but its Jon jones and its not even close..
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Clinch your cheeks. This site loves to ahit on him.
 
pick999 said:
The goat cant be anyone that has ever been koed or submitted before
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So if I fight in the regionals and amass a record of 40-0 crushing cans, I'm closer to being the GOAT than if I fought in the UFC with a record of 20-3 with a stoppage loss?

DOMMA said:
Fedor was 34 years old - prime age for HW, when he was beat 3 consecutive times, times by less than stellar competition. This negates any/all GOAT talk.
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This is a fact ^^^^^.

"GSP is not a fighters fighter so he is no where on the GOAT fighters list" is your opinion and is not based on anything other than your opinion.....which essentially means nothing.....to anybody. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.
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Here comes another "fan of the sport" that doesn't understand the difference between age and fight age depending on the fighters mileage.

Can't believe you noobs are still like this 30 years into the sport. 2010 Fedor on his 6th hand surgery was definitely "prime" just like shogun with two replaced knees was "prime" even if he was the "prime" age for the weight class.

For me, personally, PEDS permanently disqualify people from GOAT contendership, which is why Jones and Silva will always have my respect for their skills, but are permanently removed from the list.

"Bb-b-but everyone is on steroids!"

Okay, then the morons that get caught while everyone else is passing get punished. Should have been a GOAT cheater then I guess.
 
DOMMA said:
Fedor was 34 years old - prime age for HW, when he was beat 3 consecutive times, times by less than stellar competition. This negates any/all GOAT talk.
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This is a fact ^^^^^.

"GSP is not a fighters fighter so he is no where on the GOAT fighters list" is your opinion and is not based on anything other than your opinion.....which essentially means nothing.....to anybody. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.
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Retarded post.

I'll repost this again everytime this moronic argument comes up:

Cain and JDS were basically done as top guys right after they turned 30 lol.
Brock ran away from the sport in his early 30s with barely any fights.

All 3 with FAR less fight mileage than CC.

UFC HW Champs:
Rizzo: Never had a top win after 2005/06. Done by age 33.
Ricco: Done fighting at top level in 2003. Hung on for a few years losing to anyone relevant. Totally done by age ~33.
Mir: Last time he was at all relevant and had top wins was in 2012. 33 years of age.
Randleman: Last top win at age 32.
Arlovski: Left the UFC and got brutally "exposed". Done as a top guy by 2011 at age ~31.
Sylvia: Done as a top guy after 2008, at age 32.
Bork: Last win at age 33.
JDS: Basically done as a top guy by age 31, in 2015. Clearly washed by 2017, at age 33. Hobbled on vs mostly irrelevant guys after.
Cain: Done after 2013, at age 31. Hardly fought after period.

Wow, look @ all these UFC champs who somehow either washed out, started "sucking", or clearly were past it in their early 30s!
You could say the same of quite a few PRIDE HW fighters as well, to be fair.

HW MMA has failed to attract enough new, young talent since the 2000s, and this became very evident post 2010 as the average age of the division started creeping up. Hint, that is not a sign it got better.

Also- Fedor lost to top guys who were all on PEDs.
Apparently its better to get your ass beat in the middle of your career by Matt Serra or Takase than to top fighters at the end lmao.
 
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