End all GOAT Discussion

[BowserJr]

The only way to settle who is the p4p GOAT is to define what is meant by p4p GOAT. There are generally 4 school of thought. I'll name the top 3 for each one

A. Absolute PEAK undefeatability/skill
B. Best accolades/record
C. Best fighter
D. Best competitor

A.
1. Fedor
2. Jones
3. Silva

B.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

C.
1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. BJ Penn

D.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

It really comes down to which one outweigh more. To me Fighter and Undefeatability are the 2 most important. Clearly to many Sherbros Record and competitor are more important.

A few things to note

• I don't count Flyweight cuz its too shallow and they're just too small.
• Fighter refers to having budo and fighting to see who is the best at fighting rather than who's the best at the sport of MMA
• Competitor refers to competing in MMA to see who is the best at the sport which also means gaming the rules, judging and structure
• In case you didn't know Silva was ranked #1 at WW and of course MW and top 3 at LHW. That's why I put him in the record/accolades section over undefeated khabib. Sorry Khabib fans top 3 in 3 weightclasses and #1 in 2 is more impressive than undefeated with only a handful of big wins
• Losses at the end of a career doesnt mean much. If it did Muhammad Ali would not be consensus boxing GOAT over guys like Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe

My overall pick is Fedor because again I weigh fighter much higher than competitor and losses at the end when they shouldn't be fighting dont weigh much

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

I accept those terms. Before the slobbering idiots come in with beaten wives, and steroids and eye pokes bullshit.

 

[BowserJr]

I accept those terms. Before the slobbering idiots come in with beaten wives, and steroids and eye pokes bullshit.

That gets me thinking of a 5th category

GOAT Legacy as a Martial Artist

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3. Khabib

 

[pick999]

The goat cant be anyone that has ever been koed or submitted before

 

[RockyLockridge]

[GOAT convo continues and Intensifies]

 

[Evil3mperor]

Based on the rubric there's a solid argument for Silva but I've been hugging Fedor's nuts for decades.

 

[Mittens]

So, we are all gonna write down lists like this, then?

A. GSP
B. GSP
C. GSP
D. GSP
E. GSP
F. GSP
G. SP

 

[Wreckless]

 

[DOMMA]

Regardless of how you parse out the criteria....GSP wins all GOAT talks. Fedor was beat in his prime multiple times, once by Hendo who fought at 185. If PEDS are not considered it goes like this:

1. GSP
2. Jones
3. Silva
4. Fedor

If PEDS are considered, then:

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3 - 5 debatable.

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

A - Jones
B - Jones
C - Jones
D - Jones

 

[Shaolin Alan]

Noobz always omit Mighty Mouse

 

[Pequeño Corey]

It’s Fedor and Jones. Prime vs prime I have no fucking clue, but those are the dudes.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Anderson
5. DJ

 

[Daniel Henry]

The only way to settle who is the p4p GOAT is to define what is meant by p4p GOAT. There are generally 4 school of thought. I'll name the top 3 for each one

A. Absolute PEAK undefeatability/skill
B. Best accolades/record
C. Best fighter
D. Best competitor

A.
1. Fedor
2. Jones
3. Silva

B.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

C.
1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. BJ Penn

D.
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva

I didn't read your whole post mostly because you left out Khabib in all your little categories. He deserves a spot in at least one

 

[Reach4theSky]

C. Best fighter

C.
1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. BJ Penn

Not many would've put BJ on that list.

The ones that know...know..

 

[BowserJr]

The goat cant be anyone that has ever been koed or submitted before

In that case I'm the GOAT!

 

[BowserJr]

I didn't read your whole post mostly because you left out Khabib in all your little categories. He deserves a spot in at least one

Read it and you'll see why. Also read my response to the first comment

 

[BowserJr]

Noobz always omit Mighty Mouse

Various reasons. I stated 2. Here's a few more.

They're so small they're movements are literally physically impossible for regular sized humans.

If we include them then pretty much all 125lbers p4p best over all weight classes

Also he was ok at 135, just one 10 lb class higher.

Makes no sense to ha e him in p4p

 

[BowserJr]

Regardless of how you parse out the criteria....GSP wins all GOAT talks. Fedor was beat in his prime multiple times, once by Hendo who fought at 185. If PEDS are not considered it goes like this:

1. GSP
2. Jones
3. Silva
4. Fedor

If PEDS are considered, then:

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3 - 5 debatable.

Fedor was already out of his prime when he fought Roger's. You could see his reductions in speed vs AA.

GSP is not a fighters fighter so he is no where on the GOAT fighters list.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Also he was ok at 135, just one 10 lb class higher.

Makes no sense to ha e him in p4p

In his defense, he was still working at a warehouse and not training full time when he was at bantamweight. That would be like Silva still flipping burgers at Burger King when he was still fighting in Pride.